Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

i dont have a blog but i want to bore you the same with my theory:

if nokia announces (and decides) that it will come to n900 that will break the agreement with sygic. if announces (and decides) that it wont it will piss off a lot of people just a couple of days before the apple event.
and more important: a symbian phone, today, is a smartphone for dumb people. problem is that dumb people today buys iphones. and more dumb people will buy iphones in the future, in a few days we will see iphone 4 and all. nokia must give dumb people something cause theres plenty of unsold n97 out there.

then n900 is almost sold out everywhere. and certainly nokia doesnt need to push it right now. im pissed of about this but im not gonna sell it either. and nokia doesnt need dumb people to buy n900. too much cost for support, and it would ruin the product image.

obviously its just my theory


I second that. N900 is for smart and innovative people, who are not depending of fashion phones and from the way of think of the masses.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

I think it's a huge announcement and not at all lame. I think it's groundbreaking and will force others to up their game. If I was in the market now for a mobile this would really make me consider Nokia.

I'm just smarting 'cos it's not for the N900 (yet?).

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Really....? Thats interesting! Not in a negative way, I'm just trying to understand.
So whats your thought on the quality of the nav program? Doesn't that come into play? If the software just barley works, is it still worth it? Is it still a big deal? Once again....just find it interesting and looking for an honest response.

On a side note: I read an article about Googles GPS Map nav and it basically said its ok to use sometimes. That it does not make a good main Nav system. So once again...Even though its free, It does not make me want to rush out and get it. I'm sure Apple will be doing the same soon. Its kinda funny seeing them team up with MS again.

My personal idea of what would be huge would be the amount of functionality it has, and how it has an impact on making my life that much easier. The N900 has a lot of hardware that could do amazing things and be very useful/helpful. (I think skype integration was a good idea....now it just needs to be fixed.)Its just there's not much to take advantage of it yet. I dont care what the device looks like...I want to know...what can it do for me. Ok I'm running in circles here...lol sorry about that.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Where do you get the idea that it barely works? The Ovi Maps with Turn by Turn that I use on my E75 is superb and better than Tom Tom and Garmin versions that I've used before. I hear that this latest version is better still.
Don't base it on what currently exists on the N900 because it's not a finished product on Maemo yet. And yes that part frustrates me too!

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

I was never aware of any pay-features on N900 Ovi Maps to begin with. So we still have the same less-functional version of Ovi Maps than Symbian platform has. Nothing new about that.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Ovi maps 3 on symbian wasn't bad. I wouldn't say it's as good as my Tomtom but I'm not sure I'd have bought my Tomtom if I'd have had turn by turn already for free on ovimaps.

Maps on the N900 isn't all there IMO - hence my wanting the latest version for the N900. So yes quslity does matter but I think it's sufficient on symbian devices to make a difference.

My point about being a huge change is really about what people will now be expecting with phones out of the box. If you've never had turn by turn, always quite fancied it but hadn't been able to justify the cost - suddenly you can get it for next to free next time you upgrade your mobile. I'd imagine there's a fair few people who think like that. Hell - if Sygic thought there was enough of a market for an N900 only to port their software then the market must be there in abunance across all smart phones. And suddenly it's free.....

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

You're right in that we have nothing new. The new part is the worry for some that Nokia doesn't deem Maemo 5 worthy of the software! I'm note convinced of this and still feel it'll come in time. The waiting's the hard part obviously!

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Unfortunately that is where I get the idea. (N900) That and the GPS lock takes forever, but thats has nothing to do with the Maps. (Hmm...is that a hardware problem or a software problem?)

As for what you said....thats good to know. Thanks for informing me. :)

I guess my argument is invalid

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

my gps locks quite fast.
it takes about one minute to have a lock.
and this with the network-assistance disabled in the gps-preferences.
if it's enabled it just takes about 10 seconds.
btw: i'm from germany but i don't think that this fact influences the functionality. ^^

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Does it? I checked prices on geizhals.at for both the EU and Austria, and while prices in the EU remain constant since mid-december (they were a bit lower first - obviously shops didn't know how customers would react), they keep rising in Austria week after week.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

perhaps he means maemo6

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

So we get put down for being early adopters? Not a smart move if you ask me. I believe they did say 'All' Nokia's. I think they should really reconsider the Maemo if they want to keep pushing this platform. These are the apps that have a broad audience. Common sense to do if you ask me..

In short.. i want it too! : )

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

I don't mind waiting for the update to ovi maps.

However, if they never enable this update then quite frankly Nokia are taking the p*** out of us.
We have effectively acted as beta testers for maemo.

I know they have limited resources and symbian is the dominant platform. But is there any way they can enable the community to develop our own version ovi maps. If the product is now free does it matter who writes the software or even release the data files to the community?

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Side question. In one of the Ovi videos released today there is a part where they show some 3d like navigation with model building images. That isn't possible is it? Would be super amazing cool if it is. And if as I suspect it isn't possible yet how many years away are we from such a thing?

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

It is not uncommon for subsidaries of companies to deal with the mother companies competitors - at the end of the day it is about reporting a profit to the mother company and that is that.

Also nokia and sygic having an agreement is by no way a conspiracy theory - it is a business deal, they happen all the time.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

OK, sc*ew this sh*t, I'm not going back to symbian as Maemo operation sistems are (and will be) better than symbian... If they will not support maemo, I'll just go to android... what else can I do if they support low end smartphones instead of high end cellphones.....

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

THIS IS NOT A FLAGSHIP PRODUCT! Where do you see it pushed as the flagship consumer product?

I mean, bloody hell, do none of you people really research before you buy a product? This was marketed even by the CEO as the first step for Maemo to reach consumer status. I mean, this is just baffling.

There has been NO official recognition as such. The N97 is still at the top of the Nokia smartphone food chain, sorry. I have one right here and the differences between the two are very apparent.

All this griping and moaning about things that would have been apparent to anyone looking at the plethora of reviews specification sheets and official announcements.

Hell, this is the first version of Ovi maps for Maemo... and it does not even have voice-guided navigation out of the box. How do you expect it to be at the same level at a version for a different operating system/platform/chipset that has been in development for years?
Was it impossible? No. But surprising? Not really.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Well.... sadly I must admit that it was an error to by a Nokia N900 Smartphone, if even the producer immediately after release abandons the platform :-(

Guess I will get me a Droid or other Android phone with better camera.

PS: N900 for sale.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of the functionality of Google nav is server side. I'm not sure a port to fremantle is the solution.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Free != opensource.
AFAIK, noone has the source to ovi maps, similar to google maps. Its a closed product which is offered for free by the company that makes them.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

congratulations.
we will surely miss your valuable contribution to the maemo ecosystem.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

you are right. but the problem is lack of support and commitment ...

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

With back to back release of firmwares and additional items to be covered via bugs.maemo.org, i really doubt that.
I dont trust any PR of any company as such, and i bought the phone for what it was described as on release.

Nokia releasing maps navigation for free was not something i had in mind while i bought it.

Infact i wonder what the people who bought the 5800XM navigation edition must be thinking right when they heard this news.

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

^this is nokias newest, latest, and most updated thing they have to offer. a flagship product is the newest, latest and most updated product, the n900 is all that. hence wether you like it or not makes it the flagship product. and in the end of the day we are the customer, we paid full price for the device for their latest and newest and best technology they have to offer, we should expect that we should be one of their main priorities. why are people defending nokia? fanboyism? we as a consumer should demand, if not then there would be no change. stop defending nokia, as nokia clearly crewed up with the N900.

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

Actually Nokia releases new products very often and i dont think that most people wont be very happy if they hear that their "flagship" phones got de-flagshiped in a month.

The current Nokia flagship is the N97 which is quite well known.
Nokia probably never anticipated that their lower profile phone model viz the N900 would receive such a fan following.

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

They obviously "crewed up" by not forcing all prospective buyers to sign a statement that they perused the specifications, heard the CEO describe it as something for early adopters/developers/hobbyists and know they are purchasing it "as is".
That is just ludicrous. By that reasoning every device released would be eclipsed by the next device just by virtue of release date.

The majority of people here who bought the N900 knowingly did it with full awareness that it will have some serious limitations. Some perhaps will be addressed, some may never be addressed. It is no loss to me that you are disappointed that it is not something it was not - other than the fact that the constant harping about misconstrued imaginary feature-sets and "this has a higher model number than the N97 and was just released so it must be the flagship" griping just increases to ridiculous levels the ratio of noise on this forum. I come here for information, not to hear moaning and complaining over such trivial issues.

You know, if I depended heavily on my device as a phone first, I would have bought an E71 (or E72) which are better phones than the N900 - and the N97. Pick the best tool for the job; in many cases the N900 is not the right tool for the job. I am sure you're still within the return window.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

I have faith that Maps for our N900s will continue to be developed.

In fact we have proof that it has already had work on it since the initial release, as PR1.1 has already provided a lot more functionality to it - and made it actually usable.

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

Yes most company when they release a new product it replaces the old and becomes the new with better hardware. Easiest example of this is the iphone. But my point is this; in the end of the day we are the customer, we paid full price for the device for their latest and newest and best technology they have to offer, we should expect that we should be one of their main priorities. Whether they marketed this as "early adopters/developers/hobbyists" this is still a Nokia product, and they should have support for their product.

but than again, the n900 has just been released recently and there is room for updates and improvements. hopefully nokia will listen to their customers and add this extra feature to their device.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Interesting how everybody now sells their N900s. Someone would think Nokia announced today that it will phuck up everything and not give something for free.
A little patience?

Or even better please sell your N900s, it's going to be definitely better for you and for community. Thanks, and goodbye!

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Well - yes - sort of :) I actually paid for the turn-by-turn navigation on my previous Nokia and I did so back when they had a 3 year license option - which means I still got around a year left. So I am sort of double ****ed. I was one of the customers who paid for navigation and now it's free - and I just bought the N900 for which it is not available. Sigh! I just love giving Nokia my money.

Anyway - that said - I do love maemo :)

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Im kinda sure Nokia won't disappoint us.
Why should Nokia stop supporting their brand new high-end device ?
Makes no sense imho.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

From looking at this link, I think the N900 is part of the free program too.

http://europe.nokia.com/support/prod...load#/default/

Re: Nokia to offer free navigation??
 

So many mobile phone companies and you pick that one which as one product model which has undergone 3 revisions :D.

Leaving that aside, you still do realize that they have just recently updated the firmware for the n900?

Hopefully there are a few more coming in the future which add additional features into the current model. So please do not stop raising issues with the phone, just make it a point to sound and be constructive instead, it helps us all eventually.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

It's look like Nokia does not care about N900. We are just beta tester, that's all.
N900 is not on the roadmap but I'm sure that the next maemo 6 device is in the top list for it. N900 is the high end nokia smartphone, just 3 months old and they just think about the next generation.
I'm very disapointed by nokia strategy and I'm sure I will be disapointed again when they will tell us that the N900 will not support maemo 6.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Bit of a sense of entitlement many seem to have.. :D

It's coming to Maemo 6 at the latest and Maemo 6 is coming - gasp - in about half a year. My guess is that at that point either N900 will get Maemo6 or Ovi Maps will get upgraded on Maemo 5 regardless..

So IMHO, overall this is great news for Maemo as well.

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

http://www.electricpig.co.uk/2010/01...ee-navigation/

according to this, the N900 WILL be getting it..comments by OPK

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

The comments were by Vanjoki, not OPK, and he does not specify N900 though.. :)

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

I'm also sure that the N900 will get it eventually, but eventually is not soon enough! Nokia should have released the Maemo version alongside the Symbian version... :(

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

Nokia's long term goal is QT, makes no sense (from cost perspective) not to develop using the latest QT. We'll end up being the alpha-testers for what will eventually be the new Maps App for all newer Symbian+Maemo phones..

I think we're looking out at least 6 months...

Re: Ovi Maps goes free for premium content (no N900 *yet*)
 

You could be right. In that case Qt will definitely be a dependency, as far as the N900 is concerned at least...