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rash.m2k

2010-03-11 16:16

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

Although I don't like to admit it but Switch_ you are correct, windows is great for home/family use for people with little skill.

But come time for developing, doing many things at once then nothing is better than Linux, multiple desktops, choice of loads of x window systems etc. it's windows that slows you down so much!

Just today I was trying to read data from an email and type it into excel, and I can't force a specific window to be above all other windows! Stupid stupid windows.

Switch_

2010-03-11 16:26

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

Agreed but W7 has the "<ahem cough cough cough>INTELLIGENT" split screen environment. As intelligent as you can get when you cant get the damn windows to split intelligently.

Stupid windows indeed. And Linux for speed anyday, so I have heard, though cannot testify to. I'm open minded. Christ, I bought an N900!

And I wear womens pants. But don't tell the Mrs.

Alanstrainor

2010-03-11 16:58

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

You'd swear the next update was going to bring windows 7 to the N900 seeing how far off-topic this thread has gone!

ndi	2010-03-11 19:25

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

I didn't know Windows didn't have multiple desktops.

I'd better disable it soon before M$ finds out. Wait till they find out the APIs were supported in Windows 2000. I still have some code I wrote lying around in case you want to make it more linuxy.

And for you, one free hint: Explorer supports binding key combinations to applications, so a "toggle on top" app can be bound to Alt+Ctrl+A for quick toggling.

We may be simpletons but we have been around a while.

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Originally Posted by rash.m2k (Post 563937)

Stupid stupid

Subtle.

SAABoy

2010-03-11 20:00

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

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Originally Posted by Cthulhu (Post 563630)

I can't help thinking that people seriously should quit whining. The N900 has been out for less than 3 months and we've already seen 3 updates (2 minor and 1 a bit larger). There's a PR1.2 update somehwere not too far down the road bringing us official Qt 4.6 and other goods.

Most people (that's my impresion, anyway) don't experience major problems with their N900s. Those that do either accept it as part of it being a brand new product, while others go screaming about how bad the device and Nokia's support is. I think they completely fail to recognize how advanced (and therefore) complicated a piece of machinery it is. It is naive to think that any company have the resources to find all possible errors in a brand new product. They'd have to test it against all possible (and impossible) 3rd party products in all thinkable (and unthinkable) scenarios. I work as a software developer, so I know what kind of resources testing requires - and my company only makes fairly simple applications, not complete pocket computer phones.

My previous phone was a SE K800 and believe me, the first few firmwares were pretty bad. I've had it white-screen (screen all white, even after pulling the battery) on me twice. After about a year and a couple of updates it finally became stable, but still it was an extremely basic phone compared to the N900.

If you want to live on the bleeding edge (which the N900 is), you'll have to accept a few hiccups in the beginning. Alternatively you could buy an iPhone and accept that you can only do with it, what Steve Jobs think you should be allowed to.

Sorry for the rant, but I felt I had to let it out. Still I eagerly await the PR1.2 update as everyone else.

thanks for this... your reasonable message with the right music "electric skychurch - silver froth" made everything better

CrashandDie

2010-03-11 21:51

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

Please remain on topic. I will move the big stream of off-topic messages to a separate thread in the appropriate forum as soon as I get back from the hospital, but please, do keep things on topic.

Anyone who keeps going off-topic will receive an infraction.

theflew

2010-03-11 22:44

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

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Originally Posted by rash.m2k (Post 563937)

I wouldn't call it for people with little skill. I would call it for people that use an OS like a car. When I want to buy I printer with the features I want I don't have to look all over the web to see if it's compatible with Linux. Same with WIFI, MP3 players, video cards. Windows is for people that need an OS that works for them. It has it's problems, but sometimes using a computer is about getting work done, not configuring the hell out of it. An OS is a tool Some tools work better for some things than others.

This is the same argument as the iPhone vs N900. The iPhone works as intended and gets work done. Yes it doesn't have fancy features but it works. That's the gap Nokia needs to bridge. Features of the N900 but also just works when you need it to.

MoJo	2010-03-12 18:23

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

Can Nokia just open the path to Android, and leave us alone! Worst thing is to hear the OS you bought for your phone will be discontinued, forked and rebranded ... eventually not having the Corporate 1 year support you though came with buying such a device of this calibre. You'd think Nokia treats people with Smartphones as they do with people who own featurephones ... Nokia CEO's are out of touch. Last time I ever buy a Nokia smartphone, really whats wrong with them and there scorched earth policy all the time. 1 thing right, followed by 10 steps of wrong.

1.2 I hope it is good enough, maybe it is time we create a list of reasons why people shouldn't buy this phone. In our confusion, Nokia has been selling a phone that they refuse to commit to openly. Do you ever see Apple being afraid to acknowledge there commitment to the iPhone, or Palm to its Pre, or Google to its Nexus. Nokia is the only big company that doesn't listen to its users WTF is MeeGo, what an awful name and it undermines 3 months of progress done by community development with one blow to the nuts. I can already see it, less apps are being made for a dead OS ... and now we wait an entire year for a final stable MeeGo build that probably won't be supported by Nokia for the n900 ... and we are to sit here and say thank you!

Folks 6-12 months ago Nokia was at a crossroad ... Maemo or Symbian. Before waiting to see Maemo through they flinched, and ran back to Symbian. MeeGo is a graceful exit, they first start with the name, then with the community (fragmented already), and third they go with Intel the guys who are known to kill things off abruptly.

We need a community website, and all the developers and community members here should all go to it, forget this MeeGo, and stop being beta testers for a company who hasn't done enough to show their commitment to it's customers.

smoothc

2010-03-12 18:43

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

So new firmware is coming next friday, right? :P

wmarone

2010-03-12 18:44

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

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Originally Posted by MoJo (Post 565329)

Can Nokia just open the path to Android, and leave us alone!

No thanks, crippled Java sandboxes that puts control completely in Google's hands isn't my idea of an Open operating system.

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Worst thing is to hear the OS you bought for your phone will be discontinued, forked and rebranded

It'll be "discontinued" when they stop releasing devices with it on there.

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not having the Corporate 1 year support you though came with buying such a device of this calibre.

Are you suggesting that Nokia has actively dropped support for the N900? I think you're sorely mistaken.

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1.2 I hope it is good enough, maybe it is time we create a list of reasons why people shouldn't buy this phone.

You're free to do so, but not here. Pages full of FUD and baseless speculation just to drive people away would defeat the purpose of this site entirely.

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Do you ever see Apple being afraid to acknowledge there commitment to the iPhone

Apple is dead silent on whether or not the new iPhone OS release will go back to older devices until the release actually happens.

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Nokia is the only big company that doesn't listen to its users

Of course they don't, which is why none of the sources for Maemo are available at all.

mederyt

2010-03-12 18:50

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

hi i got my n900 abt 2 weeks ago and i want to update it...after i go to app manager i click on maemo 5 to start updating...then it says update failed...the update is 3.2010.02-8.003 and it is 92.7 MB...furthermore i cant open any pages on the WLAN

wmarone

2010-03-12 18:52

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

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Originally Posted by mederyt (Post 565351)

Have you activated other repositories, such as extras-testing and extras-devel?

Also, what are the power settings for your wifi? Some wireless access points don't like the power saving modes.

mederyt

2010-03-12 19:06

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

mederyt

2010-03-12 19:08

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 565354)

Have you activated other repositories, such as extras-testing and extras-devel?

Also, what are the power settings for your wifi? Some wireless access points don't like the power saving modes.

i dont kno..what r extras testing and extras devel...im sry im just a starter

Spotfist

2010-03-12 20:32

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

Could we perhaps rename this thread to "waist some time here" page after page of nothing to do with pr1.2.

Im sorry for asking a dumb question but is there actually any news on the next fw? sorry for not reading the whole thread but i just didnt think i was going to get anyware... anyone?

tissot

2010-03-12 20:50

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

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Originally Posted by Spotfist (Post 565447)

There really isn't much so i don't know how this thread can be this big. ;) We will see some Qt4.6 love with the PR1.2, bug fixes, don't dream about full portrait, maybe some surprises.

Nokia doesn't ever announce fw update before it actually going live.

fraaaaanka

2010-03-12 20:53

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

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Originally Posted by mederyt (Post 565367)

i dont kno..what r extras testing and extras devel...im sry im just a starter

here you go .... http://theunlockr.com/2009/11/22/how...ur-nokia-n900/ this is the very first thing i did when i turned my n900 on for the first time!

Spotfist

2010-03-12 20:59

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

can you imagin what is going to happen to this site when the firmware is actually released?

casper27

2010-03-12 21:02

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

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Originally Posted by Spotfist (Post 565477)

can you imagin what is going to happen to this site when the firmware is actually released?

I heard Reggie is going on holiday the day of release and switching the servers off :)

geneven

2010-03-12 21:12

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

My bet is that PR1.2 won't be released for about a month. My impression is that there is a lot of chaos out there, which always means delay. In the meantime, I'm happy.

dexteruk

2010-03-12 21:40

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2?) and its release date

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Originally Posted by jaysire (Post 548763)

I hope they remove multitasking completely, so we can get a more fluid experience, like the iPhone ;)

Are you Joking, im a Linux user and have been for 18 years + and finally i have a phone that can keep up with me. I love the multitasking and its made my life much easier...

My advice for you is if you want an iPhone go get one. And give your N900 to someone more deserving.

Ronaldo

2010-03-12 21:41

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2?) and its release date

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Originally Posted by dexteruk (Post 565505)

Are you Joking, im a Linux user and have been for 18 years + and finally i have a phone that can keep up with me. I love the multitasking and its made my like much easier...

My advice for you is if you want an iPhone go get one. And give your N900 to someone more deserving.

i think he was joking because some one else asked for smoother UI lool

FranzDages

2010-03-13 02:11

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

I came to the N900 from the Pharos 137. I got the 137 because I thought that a top-line company for GPS devices would make a kick-a** phone with GPS capability. I switched from a long association with Nextel (then switch to Sprint who dropped the Nextel ball) to T-Mobile for the 137. The Pharos 137 was a GOOD (not great) device when I got it. Then with each update there were problems. Finally, in October of last year, there was an update to the 137 which farkled my ear piece speaker. If I was on a call, I could not hear what was said. It sounded like the speaker was WAY over-driven. If I used bluetooth, it was ok. Otherwise, it was second guessing everything someone said. I posted on the Pharos website and was told "This is a known issue". I still have the 137, but bought the N900 as a replacement. The N900 is still rough in some ways, but give it freakin time. From recent history from a different phone, don't demand an update is issued before it is stable. I did that for months before I said F**k and spent $500 on a different phone. Pharos released a windows mobile 6.5.2 a week or so ago, and was supposed to release a 6.5.3 today. Ihaven't tried it, don't know if it's better. The minute Nokia releases an update that causes more problems than it fixes is the minute Nokia get's even more S**t thrwn against it than it is for not saying when something will be released. Sorry for the long post.

rocky272727

2010-03-13 12:35

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

Meego 1.0 coming in Q2 2010

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j39oU4A-HTw

oohhoo66

2010-03-15 16:16

new update!?

guys does anyone have any idea when will the next firmware update be?! cause its been a while now, and im still waiting for significant changes on my n900.

stlpaul

2010-03-15 16:21

Re: new update!?

Nope. It'll be ready when it's ready. Wait like the rest of us.

Barts

2010-03-15 16:22

Re: new update!?

how long is a peice of string?

evil_m0nkey

2010-03-15 16:26

Re: new update!?

1, 2, potato

fraaaaanka

2010-03-15 16:34

Re: new update!?

Hmmmmm .... OOOhhhh new update alert on my N900 .....is it the next firmwa.... oh its a theme update :(

x61	2010-03-15 16:45

Re: new update!?

There is no update coming anytime soon, son. You'd have to wait for at two or four months. I seriously apologize to you...

mr_bridger

2010-03-15 16:57

Re: new update!?

Quote:

Originally Posted by oohhoo66 (Post 567984)

guys does anyone have any idea when will the next firmware update be?! cause its been a while now, and im still waiting for significant changes on my n900.

I wish i had an update for every new thread about whats in the new update... lol.....

I'd be on meego v25 and Qt 22.8 lol

evil_m0nkey

2010-03-15 17:03

Re: Speculation about the next firmware (PR1.2) and its release date

now there is speculation that nokia might not port meego to N900, and the community will have to port it.

I get its open source, but why is ovi store so empty, didn't they even try to hire big app developers like shazaam, foursquare, goawalla or hell even make a proper map application.

i love my N900, but when people ask should they get one, i sadly honestlly have to answer no. Android and iphone have a huge app library, and most of their application look polished.

most of the apps are ports of old games, which are funn to play, but looks wise, which is how we judge games in a jiffy, they look like meh.

nokia, dude, wtf man?

bandora

2010-03-15 17:07

Re: new update!?

Quote:

Originally Posted by oohhoo66 (Post 567984)

guys does anyone have any idea when will the next firmware update be?! cause its been a while now, and im still waiting for significant changes on my n900.

Start counting like me.. 1 mississippi 2 mississippi... etc. lol

joshv06

2010-03-15 17:18

Re: new update!?

Ahh got me all excited for nothing...

misterm

2010-03-15 17:27

Re: new update!?

So, there's symbian 3 (which looks nice, smooth animations and such), but the released N900 needs to wait? How can that be?

ps: We really need an image gallery like on symbian 3, with an album selection upfront like 'All' or by album.

Andre Klapper

2010-03-15 19:05

Re: new update!?

Quote:

Originally Posted by x61 (Post 568022)

There is no update coming anytime soon, son. You'd have to wait for at two or four months. I seriously apologize to you...

Please do not write complete bullshít just because you are a frustrated user (who is selling his N900 in thread 47430).
Complain to Nokia when being frustrated, but don't try to spread frustration to others by writing lies here.

Dave999

2010-03-15 19:26

Re: new update!?

Please do not write the headline like that. Instantly thought it was a new release.

Andre Klapper

2010-03-15 19:27

Re: new update!?

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Originally Posted by Bec (Post 568259)

So we're to expect goodie-goodie in under two months:rolleyes:

Either two or four months - that was the other option. :D

sjgadsby