Re: Returning my N900
 

Tv-out came 2/3 years ago with my N95... nothing new... yes facebook is cooked and delivered with WM6.5 / HtC HD.. working better :D ..

Re: Returning my N900
 

The N900 and certain Blackberry models, and I am sure, probably countless other devices have microUSB plugs that requires a "smart" charger that can negotiate for power. This means that a standard USB charger that provides standard USB power and cannot negotiate about that, requires a cable where two of the leads are shorted. In other words, the standardization to microUSB has lead to most standard USB chargers being useless.

If you believe that this will NOT come as a surprise to almost every owner of a standard USB wall/car charger, then you are living in a very special world.

I can assure you that this is not mentioned in a single of the reviews that this thread says we need to read before we're deaned worthy of buying the N900.

And if you expect EVERY PERSON who wants to buy the N900 to realize they need to research EVERY THING about the device that might influence their usage on this MICRO level, as to "can I expect the microUSB cable I already have to be compatible to the microUSB cable that I would need to charge this device in my car", then noone would ever get to the point where their research is done and they can buy a device.

And no sain man would expect people to read "MicroUSB charger" and think "I need to research if MicroUSB is compatible with MicroUSB". Seriously. I mean. Come on!

I tell you, some here have a totally twisted expectation to what people should be expected to know. Is your spare time worth absolutely nothing to you?

Re: Returning my N900
 

Big mouth.

I challenge you to show me how someone without knowledge of bluetooth protocols can figure out if a Pioneer DEH-P9800BT can syncronize contacts with a Nokia N900. If you send an email to either company, they will simply say "It is not on our list of supported devices, please check back later".

Edit: or, as is my repeated experience with Pioneer, not answer at all.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Yay, I am living in a special world!

This world has existed for at least two years. Dumb USB Chargers are so 2008.

"standard" usb wall chargers are now compliant with this brave new world. $5 dumb wall chargers can still be purchased, even if they don't work.

I've lost track - has everyone who said they were going to return/sell/beat to a pulp their n900 done so already?

Re: Returning my N900
 

More postings without factual backup. This was covered in a thread last week.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Sounds a very fair assessment - thanks for not ranting! :)

Re: Returning my N900
 

Or anyone else that doesn't use a personal device on a specific setup.

Re: Returning my N900
 

I've mentioned this several times before to him but he always ignores it as it doesn't suit his viewpoint.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Oh? Sorry for taking that away from you. ;)

Re: Returning my N900
 

You would have thought this was a sensbile grown up option wouldn't you?

Re: Returning my N900
 

N900 research tools... >> CLICK <<

Re: Returning my N900
 

Actually it has been on the main news in Europe quite a few times, personally I like to have a look at it occasionally.

I also was merely pointiung out that Nokia were compliing with a requirement for the data pin shorting. If you wish to rant please find a posting that at least has the same tone to start with.

Re: Returning my N900
 

I simply emailed Nokia support in the UK and asked if the N900 would work with my Car Kit and gave them the model. I had a polite phonecall from them the next day and they talked me through what it would and wouldn't do.

If they state it isnt on the list of supported devices then the answer is likely to be no. If it does then you are lucky, that's a normal reaction surely?

Re: Returning my N900
 

LOL. No problem at all - just thought you might like to know it won't make any difference, if the answer isn't as wanted then it's ignored.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Pretty much any list of compatibility I have ever seen have only consisted of devices that existed at the time the products marketing material was created. In other words, none of the phones I have had, that have worked in various degree with the car radio, including the N900, has ever been on the list of supported devices. The same goes pretty much for any motherboard compatibility list I've ever seen, they are never updated once they are put out.

Re: Returning my N900
 

As a matter of fact, I do not wish to rant. And you're ranting every bit as much as me. It is the blatant black/white lack of understanding here that is my issue. I for one are not returning my N900 because I think it's a quite good device, but it has a long number of issues. Some which are harder than others to predict before you learn about it.

The ranting in this thread and similar threads, and I've seen some huge fonts, are from some that seem to feel personally insulted if a persons pre-sales research didn't include printboard schematics. You can only research so much before you either have to buy it or not. I have spent a lot of time reading about this phone before I got it in mid December. And I think the people saying "you got what you deserve for not doing research" are plain rude.

I tend to take side against rude people, and answer in their own language. It's a flaw, I know.

I can see that your information collection moved from Wikipedia to the European News broadcasting. Either way, before I got this phone I had no idea what AT commands were, and that the car stereo relied on them to transfer contacts. As a matter of fact, I don't think one in a hundred people would know. Now that I know, I feel I have wasted valuable time finding it out. Truth is, most people want to know if their stereo can "hook up to their phone", and if it can receive stereo bluetooth audio. That's as much information as most people would want to know. Having to first research A2DP, then AVRCP, then AT messages, just to find out if there is a chance that it'll work in practice too... That's not doing too little research. That's doing too much research.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Well, I had a good response from Nokia but then I suspect from other feedback on here Nokia USA are less helpful than the European contingent. Maybe an email to the UK email might be more helpful?

Unfortunately most manufacturers want to move onto the next best thing. Maybe you could let others know in the Wiki what does and doesn't work so Google etceteras can pick it up and help others?

Re: Returning my N900
 

That is a quite valid suggestion. However, I'll just leave this thread instead because I simply do not have the time and energy to start doing research on updating wikis.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Knockout in round 1 :clap:

Re: Returning my N900
 

Hey Fartus, I guess nokia UK is better than nokia US, yet its a much bigger market.........go figure

Re: Returning my N900
 

Great stuff Dude! Lovet it

Re: Returning my N900
 

Hey Guber99, can we count on you to troll at MeeGo.com, or do you have other plans?

Re: Returning my N900
 

You think the Meego will be Amigo to my N900.....provisioning and all? I do like your new Avatar

Re: Returning my N900
 

Sorry, I saw that word and my eyes glazed over.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Well apparently from your posts about their market share it isn't. The mobile markets in Europe are a lot more developed than the US in general probably due to population density making the investment in cell networks more viable earlier. The use of CB radio and the like in the US also reduced the chance for product development earlier.

I'm assuming the name change for me was just a typo rather than a purile attempt at insult.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Actually this is more a limitation of GTalk protocol and services rather than the N900. The camera works fine in the UK over Cell and WiFi for GTalk conversations assuming that the client you are talking to can cope with Video conversations too. The N900 can't magically fix something at the other end of the conversation.

The camera works, whether developers decide to include it in their applications is another thing. If you find an application that you would like to use the camera for then ask the developer to add it. Some protocols such as Skype are closed asnd therefore only the owner of that protocol can add it or provide information to allow others to do so - that isn't anyone else's fault.

Re: Returning my N900
 

It uses email fine, just that the security aspects of some combinations of provisioning don't.

Re: Returning my N900
 

I'm not unemplyed and I've not been a teenager for a considerable length of time. I use the N900 for sensible emails not for those that need to be secure as the device itself can be removed from my person, same as any other phone. If the company in question needed serious security around their emails then they wouldn't be allowing use by a) a privately owned mobile and b) by a mobile in the first place!

Re: Returning my N900
 

Multimedia strictly speaking means more than one so technically a screen AND audio means multimedia!

Front Camera works fine, some of the apps don't support it, that's all. Ask the developers of the apps that you want to support it.

Tags in music - mine work fine but then I didn't want that to be the main purpose of my device or I would have bought an MP3 player instead!

Re: Returning my N900
 

So now you are complaining that there is too much media? LOL. Sorry - couldn't resist that!

If the phone doesn't mute the music then this is indeed something that either the phone app software or media player should address. Not sure if this is that the phone app isn't broadcasting a message to say that a call is in progress or the media player is ignoring it.

Re: Returning my N900
 

That's a limitation with Skype not releasing that information for the protocol.

Re: Returning my N900
 

So which phone was it that supported Facebook without a 3rd party application? Not seen one on the marketplace so far.

Re: Returning my N900
 

Are you seriously putting WinMobile up as a contender for a mobile phone operating system? It has to be the most derided mobile OS going! Even the industry think it is a joke! Well if you want a WinMobile then fine but don't expect sensible battery life or it to last long before crashing!

Re: Returning my N900
 

So basically you can't be bothered to help others but have time to rant and rave about something? Only needs a couple of lines not a complete article.

Re: Returning my N900
 

any phone with Windows Mobile 6.5 does this nowadays.... ;)

Re: Returning my N900
 

i replied THIS question of yours, without doing down the OS route.. it does support FB .. WITHOUT 3rd party apps;)

Re: Returning my N900
 

LOL as if the battery life on the N900 is better (or even sensible) than WInMo devices.:rolleyes: ... in 3 weeks, my n900 has been freezing and need reboot more than my htd hd did in 1 year

Re: Returning my N900
 

Still posting here?

Don't you have your new phone by now?

I love the N900. But then again I knew what it was BEFORE I bought it. Sure it has some growing left do with some aspects, but I just used Open Office on a PHONE! How cool is that?

Re: Returning my N900
 

no ones right or wrong here the n900 is like marmite some love it some hate it

underworld is entitled to his opinion and if he doesnt like the n900 i dont really see the point in arguing with him

there is no doubting the n900 falls short in some smartphone areas but make up for it in tablet features

its a hybrid device , step four of five of the cycle , going from tablet to phone or phone to tablet and not everyone is going to like it

i do really enjoy my n900 but i do find some thing annoying like underworld , however i seem to find alot more positives from it as well and i really enjoy seeing a device evolve which the n900 is and has been from day one thanks to alot of great coders and devolpers and linux pros helping everyone get the most out of it

it reminds me of the n95-1 when it 1st came out , maps was rubbish , firmware was a bit buggy , not many apps lurking around at release yet it evolved into a all time great and it was great fun going through the evoloution process , i understand some want the finished article straight away but to me the n900 is totaly useable day to day so waiting for new stuff doesnt really matter as it works fine as it is but will defently get better with time :-)

i dont think the media player is that bad ether to be hobest , yeah there is no graphic equaliser but the sound is good through decent headphones , it has a massive memory soon to be around 64gb via extra sd card , plays divix/avi out of box , streams , higer on screen res for videos then most phones , album art , supports alot of codecs , lyric support compatible , tv out compatible , to be honest ive been using s60 media player for quite some time and the n900 isnt no worse then that media player , the n97 doesnt even support streaming of video or music

at then end of the day the n900 isnt perferct and for some it isnt even good but for many of us the n900 is a solid decent phone with a excellent foundation to be built on and i look forwards to all the evolving and new apps and idears that are thrown the n900s way

shame you didnt like it underworld mate and hope you like your new phone better if its a totally new o/s though maybe make sure you know what the o/s does and doesnt do before purchse buddy itll save the returns and stuff

good luck with the next one

out of intrest what phone are you looking at next