Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

HI,

I got my N900 about a week ago, and although I did not do a lot of research about support or continued development prior to purchasing it, I did do some, and for the most part I felt satisfied that I got a good phone.

I went ahead and read this entire thread to try to understand what is happening with its development, and to try to see if I had bought the wrong device. I'll be honest at first I was a little worried, but after continuing to read, and reading all of this thread on hardware adaptation, for the moment it looks like i will still be satisfied, depending on how this MeeGo-Harmattan project works out.

One aspect of the phone I did not like at first was the lack of more portrait mode support, which I had mentioned in this thread and had asked about its status as under development, and I am assuming that the work that will be done making MeeGo-Harmattan usable for the N900 will incorporate something like what I had imagined based on what i read here. I also assumed the reason why no-one was replying to the thread I was commenting on is because this is in the works...

In any-case, I thank everyone that Is making this possible from both sides, and really appreciate the forum community, and the hard work/good comments that has/have gone into this thread in particular. It really was a good read, as strange as that sounds.

I don't know exactly how I could contribute or help in this endeavor, but I'm willing to do anything. I've got lots of bandwidth, enough free time to read a 21 page long thread :) , and some very limited knowledge of programing, which after getting this phone I might want to expand, and a will to help, so....count me in.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Hi, welcome!

1. Get familiar and involved in the discussion here and in the MeeGo Handset forum: http://forum.meego.com/forumdisplay.php?f=7

2. Download and install in your N900 MeeGo 1.1 unstable with the Handset UX when it is released.

3. Test and file bugs, specially about the underlying functionality (if MeeGo-Harmattan is your main target, otherwise feedback about the reference apps is welcome too).

4. Get the MeeGo updates, feel the progress, put your stress in the annoying platform bugs still open.

5. Wait for official MeeGo-Harmattan announcements and releases. Not much can be done about the MeeGo-Harmattan apps before their code/binaries are out.

These are steps that any N900 user with some time and patience can follow, hopefully while keeping their Maemo 5 stable intact in the device.

If you want to learn and improve as a developer a good entry point is to join a Maemo 5 community project you like and offer your help porting it to MeeGo or MeeGo-Harmattan. This might help you finding more bugs and rough edges in the underlying platforms, which is very good feedback for platform and application developers at this point.

Also important: enjoy the Summer! :)

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

We're waiting to the N900 MeeGo 1.1 unstable with Handset UX release to begin filling bug reports :)

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

would you pay a little to the developer who porting MeeGo to N900?

My answer is Yes!

I suggest setting up a site for community MeeGo N900. And I would happily pay some cash toward the project or may be buy a copy of the .img :) file

I believe we can do it safe and still open. Otherwise we can do it like Ovi

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

i would pay up to 30 euroes for the meego release

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Gotcha. Well, I'll be around looking at what is being said, and offer my input, i registered over at meego as well.

You say "join a maemo 5 community project," and help "porting it to MeeGo or Meego-Harmattan." Do you mean, after the Meego-Harmatan reaches its first stage, test it along with whatever the project might be as it runs in Meego-Harmattan? I think I understood that correctly...but maybe not.

Also...this may sound like the kind of question that should not be asked here, and will also sound very over-ambitious, but I will anyway...

What, if any, resources, like books or things online, could I read to learn more about making apps for the N900, and should I even try to get into this seeing as Meego-Harmattan might very well, uh...replace(?) maemo 5?

thanks.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

01 .- any cheap cell has the ability to assign different ringtones for incoming calls to discriminate, but the cel n900 with all their technology, do not have that function, all calls ring the same tone. How can discriminate calls from these numbers that continually call you and you do not wish to answer? 02 .- contemporary models of nokia, n95 and 5800 and, I know that have the ability to edit the label of each number stored in a contact, so you can define for example, if the contact has three mobile numbers from different companies, with different benefits, what company is for each issue and not be guessing which number is which company. the n900 does not. I am a simple user, who will be the hero to resolve these shortcomings?
j_silva_l@live.com

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

The thread name is N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia its not the place to complain about N900 or Maemo 5. Go to offtopic section and post your concerns there.

If you want to help in some way contribute by testing don't disturb others who are willing to make things better

on topic:\

I want to install MeeGo 1.1 on June 30 and test it but I need Maemo 5 to be there as well , unless its dualboot I wont take the risk

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Seconded on the dualboot thing.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

MeeGo puts the stress on Qt for application developers and Maemo 5 supports Qt officially now, so there is nothing really replacing.

What to learn depends on what do you know, what do you want to do and what are you willing to learn. :) A good recommendation for starters in mobile development willing to see fast progress and a promising future is Qt Quick. This link should be good enough for now: http://doc.trolltech.org/4.7-snapsho...arativeui.html

But of course what to learn depends also on the project you choose, if you decide to contribute to an ongoing project.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Cool! Thanks for the response. Now I have a starting point :) Can't wait to see what kind of changes will be in store once MeeGo gets sorted out, and now I have at least a starting point to delve into a new hobby :)

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Hi.. i am not a geek.. so i really donno much abt phones, but since i heard abt meego feature i want it so badly... i say some videos on you tube regarding the installation of some features of meego "http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h1hI1BI_Ua8&feature=related"

now my question is is this process in safe??? or in near future is there any ray oh hope that we will get meego firmware update on our nokia n900?

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

So...i guess the MeeGo alpha is out...should I follow instructions I found here?

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57485

to load it on my phone and start testing? or is that even possible at this point? It would be nice if I could keep maemo 5 and test MeeGo (Ideally dual booting)...since it is stable. Still...slightly confused bout what to do next...any input qgil?

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

sytheii - enjoy the day / evening and let the dust settle. Hopefully instructions to get MeeGo 1.1 Handset UX will be available, even leaving your Maemo 5 default installation untouched.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

:confused: @qgil: is this thread just finished? I'm still waiting for the progress of how Harmattan software can be installed on N900.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

For now, nothing about Harmattan can be done or analyzed until some of the SDK's are out. For now, it's actually best to work on MeeGo (.com) for N900 and test - same code banging the hardware bits.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

:o Thanks, Stskeeps.

By the way, what's the rule of game? Is Harmattan a public software platform of Meego that Nokia will publish SDK? I'm really confused with the concept of Maemo, Meego, Harmattan.

N900=Maemo 5
Meego=Maemo 6
Harmattan = Maemo 6 + new hardware + new UI?

As this evolves, will Meego = Harmattan?

Sorry for so many questions

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Close but no cigar. I will expand this a bit.

N900 = Maemo 5 = Fremantle = Maemo Core + Fremantle UI
N9 (?) = Maemo 6 = Harmattan = Maemo Core + Harmattan UI + MeeGo compatibility layer
MeeGo = MeeGo Core + reference UX (no vendor ships this and is this probably not the one you want)
The next Nokia MeeGo device = MeeGo Core + (Harmattan + 1) UI
This thread = Harmattan-meets-N900-but-has-no-specific-name = MeeGo Core + Harmattan UI

In other news - it would be really-really cool to hear something about the Harmattan SDK, it was supposed to be 2010Q1, we're now Q3, and even though I know MeeGo caused a stir *some* info about what's going on would be welcome.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Thanks, Attila77! I still have one question:
What's the relationship between Maemo6 and Meego? I assume Meego should be compatible with Maemo, ( other we wouldn't have been able to install Meego on an N900 ).

As time passes by, new release of Meego should also be based on new version of Maemo, right?

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Maemo 6 is a transitional release. Basically Nokia was way down the road with Maemo 6 development when the MeeGo "merge" happened. Nokia could either delay the next phone or release what they had already started working on since last year. MeeGo 1.1 will not be available until October and that's about the same time the next Nokia device is rumored to be out. So you have Maemo 6 compatible with MeeGo. The next OS provided by Nokia will be MeeGo with Nokia customizations.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Hey Guys,

I'm new to this website along with this I'm new with my N900 device though I have done some changes in Firmware like flashing with 900Mhz and changing Maemo Indian OS to Global OS.

But I'm very much interested for Meego.. can any one tell is there any official release and image for installing Meego for user end.

and is Maemo PR1.2 is release my software Version is 10.2010.19-1

Please do reply on this..

Thanks & Regards
Sahil

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Very true... I remember right before the N900 was released, I had read on Twitter from Phonedog Noah where Jussi Makinen was giving a demo of the Maemo 5 UI and inadvertently said, "Wait until you see Maemo 6, it will blow this out of the water...". My thought is that it's not very cool when the phone you're demoing isn't even out yet. I just thought it was very strange for him to say that.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

I thought it was rather silly also. Shame we will never see it, or maybe not.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

There is such guideline:
http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=757

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Am I the only one who finds the name "N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia" a mouthful and fairly non-descriptive for people new to Maemo/MeeGo ? How about giving it at least a shorter name ? Maybe MeeGo-Harmattan HE in the tradition of Hacker Editions of OS2007HE and OS2008HE ?

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

I would give it a go. Its much more eatable for ordinary people like me!

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Perhaps Quil and his co-workers can at least post the odd link to new developments. The N900 is a class phone and I'm sure will have a Meego OS soon. The Meego widgets gallery download shows constant upgrades and development and has a Meego Theme (not activaTed yet though).
Lets see what develops, I for one am interested.....

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

maybe the developers of meego for n900
can add more things..........

HD playback......recording

1GHZ kernel

better battery life

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

How would developers be able to change everyones hardware??? :confused:

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Changed as per request.

Status update: this project is on hold until a first release of MeeGo-Harmattan (let me insist: provisional name) is published.

We are working on the fixes required for this first release to go out:

- MeeGo Handset unstable releases @ meego.com go first. It would be confusing and unfair if a MeeGo-Harmattan SDK release would include components that are meant to be in MeeGo but we haven't opened them yet. We are still opening components and integrating them to MeeGo almost on a weekly basis.

- The "based on MeeGo" also needs to be clear and in line with the MeeGo project and the Linux Foundation, owner of the MeeGo trademark. Having a first release ignoring this point would be also confusing and unfair. This step depends on the definition of the MeeGo Compliance, which is still a work-in-progress.

You will hear more about MeeGo-Harmattan unstable releases probably when these points are in a mature/done state.

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Why don't we call the hacker edition MeeGmo?

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Thank you, then we will (provisionally, of course) refer to it as MeeGo-Harmattan HE, until the actual name is published, when we will apply the same naming scheme - [final name] HE (and ask moderators to change the topic name yet again :) )

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Really? What was closed in Maemo that has been opened for MeeGo?

Re: MeeGo-Harmattan HE
 

Some recent, relevant commentary by Stskeeps here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=255

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Fair question. I will find the information and post it. In my ToDo.

In the meantime, you can check at http://meego.gitorious.org

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Buteo (sync solution) sounds like one such component, recent talk implied that it was designed for Harmattan and is now being opened (code & development) for use with MeeGo.

[yes, technically it was never part of a Maemo release, but... point stands: releasing it closed and then opening it is a bit silly compared with opening it to start with]

See: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware

Re: N900 community support for the MeeGo-Harmattan release from Nokia
 

Really? What was closed in Maemo that has been opened for MeeGo?

Yes, so it doesn't really sound like something that was closed in Maemo that was opened for MeeGo then, no?

I'm curious about the things being opened and integrated on a "weekly" basis.

They are also keeping the battery closed for MeeGo. Totally lame.

Re: MeeGo-Harmattan HE
 

As an end-user... will there be an official upgrade path from Maemo to Meego - or will Nokia backport some of the key components as an official update?

For one - I'd like to be able ot use Java web apps in the same way as I can on my netbook.

Re: MeeGo-Harmattan HE
 

No. However there'll be an unofficial upgrade path. It remains to be seen if it will be a realistic day-to-day option for most (or, indeed, any) users.

What makes you think that Harmattan, or - for that matter - MeeGo's Handset UX, will have a Java applet plugin in the browser? Certainly Nokia only view C++/Qt and WRT as the strategic, and supported, platforms.

Re: MeeGo-Harmattan HE
 

Hey Guys,

can any one please share the release date of Meego 1.1 for Nokia n900 end users..

Regards

Sahil