Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

So how's that "not looking back" working out for you? If I was really that persuaded it was junk, I'd sell it and get some of my money back out if it.

But I suppose one reason to hang onto it would be for the +1 effectiveness when trolling Maemo forums, by saying:
Oh, and did you really just say:
Years, plural? Can you point to one phone from 2 years ago that you honestly think was the match of the N900? The iPhone 3G wasn't even out yet...

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Wait, then how on earth have I been receiving my e-mail and syncing my calendar since PR1.1 was released back in January? :eek:

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

I wasn't mentioning the Nokia n900. Yah I will agree the n900 has a very half baked os. Also iPhone os 4 brings nothing really new to the table mostly features already available with Android, WebOs, Blackberry Os, Maemo, Symbian, Windows Mobile, and LiMo.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

I seriously could live with weeding out all fanboys. They simply don't add much to any discussion from what I've seen in any form, fashion or manner.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

/wait, no...
I was starting to enjoy all this nonsense :D royal rumble style

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

So let me get this straight, you have ben running activesync(MFE) on exchange 2003 syncing calendar, contacts and emails OTA ???

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

I think the issue here the defining "hack". I don't have to do something potentially illegal, or warranty voiding to extend the functionality of my N900. The same can not be said of the iPhone.

@Ysss: This is what I mean.


My phone syncs just fine. I use Outlook at work, and sync with PC Suite. Or do you mean syncing with some very specific qualifications.

And you just showed you have no idea what you're talking about. Clearly you can't even seem to grasp the basics of counting.

6 Apps? Really? Even in the OVI store I have more than 6 apps listing in my "downloaded" list. I count about 45 in the OVI store, excluding the "media" junk. And thousands more in the community repositories.

Clearly, you can't even count correctly. Why am I suddenly un-surprised that you like the iPhone?

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Fine. I was ripped off on buying a Neo a couple years ago, so it's ok if I come rant in your living room right? No? If not, why do you think you have any right to do anything here? You don't. In case you didn't notice:

NOBODY HERE WORKS FOR NOKIA.

Look up. Do you see Nokia in the URL for this site? So you see anyone with a tag/badge here that says "Nokia Employee"? Nobody here is from Nokia, nor does anything you say here EVER get back to Nokia. You may as well go out into the middle of your street and yell about it there, you'll get the same response: Nothing.

If you want to whine about your inability to analyze such a "critical" purchase, or your lack of self control to not buy the flashy new device without doing an ounce of research, or waiting for a reviewer to show if a feature that's "key" to your life is supported, do it elsewhere. We already know you can't count... We don't need more proof of your mental facilities.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Seriously OT... but what's a Neo?

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Neo Freerunner Phone

http://androidcommunity.com/hands-on...nner-20090114/

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Yes, except for contacts (since that would be needlessly huge.) Support for Exchange 2003 was added in PR1.1.

I should mention the caveat that if your Exchange server requires provisioning (remote wipe, etc.) then it won't work. But then, it won't work on Android either without buying a 3rd party application.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

dude you making yourself look like a joke. Even u said u are not a apple fanboy u sound exactly like one because no matter what we say u still say iphone the best its call bias



First the solution to the problem listed only ppl like you know and jailbreak void your iphone warranty. N900 how u hack it no one said it will void what warranty.

How many iphone users actually jailbreak their phone?


Lastly how can u compare with something u do not own
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...772#post686772

You make me laugh hardly. You are the joke of the day apple fanboy.

We know u are try to make yourself "sound" or "look" intelligent but how can you compare with something u do not own? I owned an iphone and also a nokia n900 so u are making me laughing like hell. I think you can get rich by performing on stage becoming a comedian haha

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Seriously... what?!

Did you read what you quoted?

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

It's official. The inmates run this asylum.

Meh. I have a N900 right here, in my hands. Guess what, I can make intelligent comparisons. I also have a N810 and a 770. So I can make a past user experience comparison too. Can you?

So. Who's gonna be the next just recently signed up troll that's hiding behind a second username just to flame and selectively quote people badly and post some rank ignorance?

Yay. Today is just like... yesterday. And the day before that. Yawn. Even the insults are recycled.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Please stop trolling and stop feeding trolls! Reporting this and that and doing the same is just stupid. Got better stuff to do than stopping people from pulling knifes if you mind! Threads with a proper comparison are useful but...

[edit] just had a look at previous pages and this was just flamewar trolling and so on.
What is up with you? Can't grownups have proper conversations or discussions these days? Restored the last three posts as it made no difference to me... could delete half the posts of this thread or none... I go for none. Get back on topic please.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Yes, it is, but why not... Not like the rest of this is going anywhere. :) And one more off-topic post wont kill anyone.

The Neo (1973 and FreeRunner) was a proto-device produced by FIC, and had software written for it by OpenMoko (think Nokia/Maemo with a much smaller budget). The 1973 was a step 1 of 2 device, where developers were explicitly told to not expect it to be a usable daily phone. More that it would be the work platform and setup for the FreeRunner, which would be a "production quality" phone. The FR launch happened about 2 years after the 1973 launch, which was by design, to give them time to build up a "mature" software platform.

The real problem with it was that the OM software team kept abandoning their base to use the new glittery thing. Each time re-inventing the base and/or UI, never really finishing anything. As a fine example, they had the OM base to about 85% functionality (consider the N900 with PR1.0 at >98%) when they started selling/shipping the FreeRunner. The promise was that it was just months away from being totally stable, FR owners could expect a 100% working device within a year. They also noted that it ran better on the FR since there were hardware changes between the 1973 and the FR, which some "early release" people validated.

Two weeks later, after the first batch of devices arrived and people started playing with it (and found, no, it wasn't that stable), OM scrapped the whole common base, and started working on a totally separate base and UI dubbed "FSO". FSO never got close to working as reliably as the original OM base software, and was not compatible with the 1973 at all. Four months after shipping the first FR devices, they altered their wiki to indicate that the FR was not expected to reach 100% usability, and that the "next device" (step 3 of 2!) would be the one to hit 100%. That device never made it out of the cad stage, not even a single prototype was fabricated.

The whole project went belly up when OM ran low on cash and slashed about 3/4 of their work force a year after the FR launch. OM then focused what little resources they had left on a new offline wikipedia device, which has since flopped (hard). They claim they're going to make another batch and have shipping available starting July 4th, but I'm betting the site will go dark on/after that date.

The FR was all open source (minus the GSM/BT firmware), but the specs for the hardware were cryptic, and in some cases unobtainable despite "choosing developer friendly hardware with open documentation". The base code was only semi-functional as written, but did what it could to manage the hardware. In the end, it couldn't reliably maintain a GSM signal, calls, or network connections, and bluetooth never worked for anything but data push.

About a month before OM went under "gifted" the code based to the development community, Koolu started an Android port for the FR. Koolu is gone now, but another group has taken up that code base and run with it. They almost have it working as a basic phone, but it still lacks bluetooth audio capabilities. (Works nice for mice/keyboards/data though.) There are also ports of Debian, and a few other OS offshoots from the various bases from OM. TrollTech also was involved and made a quasi-open-source QT-based OS for it. (Which is quite reminiscent of the N900 UI.)

Hardware wise, it runs an ARM5 processor (400Mhz?), but has very similar specs to the N900 otherwise (including a high-res screen and resistive touch). It does lack cameras, but uses a standard third part battery (the Nokia BL-4C from the 6000 series), and has wifi, bluetooth, uSD card, etc.

If anyone is interested in a nice portable linux-based PDA device that's not an N900, let me know. I've not used the Neo much since I got my N900, and can't see it being used for much at this point beyond a project device. I used it as a GPS for a while, since that part worked quite well, but now that the N900 is stable at doing that I don't really need it for anything.

Yes, there are at least two Android off-shoots. They're nice, but the only active group is still trying to stabilize 1.6 on it, as port attempts of the 2.x code base have failed. I'm still on a mailing list or two about it... but it seems to have died off, since the N900 pulled a lot of people away from it, being that the N900 is a working, stable device that can :eek: reliably be used as a day-to-day phone.

On a further side track:

This may also explain my "rose-colored-glasses", in that I'm not comparing the N900 to some theoretical ideal device that was hyped about and inflated with gossip from an Engadget forum or such. I'm comparing it to what it said it would be, and comparing it to how it could have failed. Overall, I'm beyond happy with how well the N900 is doing. Though that may be in part because of what I compare it too. :)

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Actually, no. That's the way monopolization works. The way a free-market BUSINESS works, simply put, is that when you make a product people want or need, they will purchase it.

If what you make has an element of progress or creativity involved, people will often purchase it to also promote advancements from the producer. (Ie: think R&D, art, movies, music, etc.). Crippling it to make it a negative experience and preventing distribution FORCES people to pay for it but when someone provides a competitive product with similar quality, people will gravitate toward the less restrictive product. (Compare, headaches with DRM-laden AAC versus MP3 and DRM-free AAC, for example. Once Amazon got all the big labels into the mp3 game, they learned to have more confidence in their product and less litigious about mp3 copying).

In the hardware arena, Apple still hasn't learned this and Google seems conflicted due to the hardware chipset manufacturers--but at least Google is trying to teach them some OS religion. Nokia TALKED it, even tried to walk it some but in the most CRITICAL steps, they kept faltering in their walk.

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Businesses want to make money first. They only cater to customer needs because it will make them money. Nobody starts a business looking to cater to customer needs...might as well be a non profit org?

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

When a company is in a position where they start ignoring the needs of the customer, they are:

• A monopoly, where they will still profit no matter how hard they screw their customers over.
• On their way out, as they've lost track and will start losing customers.
• Part of an informal cartel, where they silently cooperate to ensure their customers have nowhere to go, while still claiming "they have choice!"

I think this list handily describes a number of industries, companies, and their behaviors.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

This proves my point.

On paper, businesses have such utopian principles but in reality, nobody sticks with it

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Not really. Notice that in markets with fierce competition or the company is the underdog there tends to be at least good customer service and good products.

I'm doubtful that Samsung and Motorola (or the vendors of their phones) have really good customer service, certainly doubtful that it's better than Nokia.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

nokia has customer service? what a concept. mythical unicorns that magically know anything at all about the device they are selling or the one you are calling/complaining about. i wonder what such a experience would be like.. hmmm, "Nokia Customer Service" Now thats an amazing idea mate. wish it were more than a dream

Ok, jokes aside. i can hardly call those yo yos on tyhe other end of the phone customer service. i mean really... they have a computer to read facts and data and stuff off of and they still dont know squat. all they do is keep forwarding you to a higher tier rep who eventually says he/she will have to call you baCK ABOS AND YOU END UP JUST RESEARCHING IT ON MAEMO.ORG AND FIGURING IT OUT YA DAMN SELF BECAUSE nokia CUSTOMER CARE NEVER ACTUALLY CALLED YOU BACK. MIND YOU THE WAIT ON THE PHONE IS LIKE 45 MIN. PLUS. (sry bout caps to lazy and sleepy to fx it)

Re: Simple stuff iPhone should do and N900 does
 

Me asks my self:

What does Apple do that Maemo doesn't?

Me answers:

It provides an SDK for a platform other than Linux...

Me then ponders...

Soon it may be common knowledge that Android has now taken over iPhone as the smartphone choice for new smartphone users. That's the way it's trending... and it is happening so fast it may even be so by the time this is posted.

More apps are being developed, more features being deployed by Google, and there is a whole gang of OEM’s now producing “droids” in various flavors.

So I then asks me self:

What is it that Android does that both Maemo and iPhone OS don't do?

After going >>here<< I answers me self:

Android maintains free SDK's for 3 platforms...


This pro'ly should be in it's own thread and MeeGo should give some serious thought to maintaining Windows and MacOS SDK versions if it wants to be an Android contender.

My eyes started glazing over with all this talk of file transfer speeds. Chances are in five years we may be transferring files mobile to mobile so large that a new optical technology will be necessary.

I posted here because I wanted to get some reaction about Android OS phones.
I'm believing more each day that the iPhone may be a one trick pony that you can only dress up differently in order to give it any interest. When most people see the same trick twice they move on.

With the iPhone what you see is what you get. Most of it's "wowee" hardware and software has by now been replicated and has already surpassed anything that Apple has committed to build... But I'm drifting again...

For the sake of the thread it has always been my opinion that the N900 had the better hardware. The iPhone had better firm/software that took advantage of more of it's hardware out of the box than the N900's did.

Maemo was catching up but now Android has sailed right on buh bye both of them and there are no barriers to stop it, New manufacturers and old could come along at anytime and ad more features and Android will adopt a new flavor.

Hell, Nokia could conceivably build an Android phone (Bogus rumor alert! :D ).But, I don't see Apple ever doing so.

Not to piss in anyones cereal but I'm thinkin' in three years the iPhone will be looked at as just another toy and not the kind of tool more and more people are learning a smart phone can and should be.

The competition will be Android.

Re: Simple stuff iPhone should do and N900 does
 

i kinda agree with ya there. I have no complaints about android other than the fact that they keep coming out with firmware versions that are not Across The Board and are NOT backward compatible with there app store. it kinda makes a bit of a mess of things but i understand the need to make money.

the only part i dont agree with is that you have to remember. apple is a marketing monster and they are just as creative and innovative as the rest of these guys. i serieously doubt they will let themselves fall to a simple "just a nother toy" NA UH, it will never get that serious for them. world better watch out for nokia too who in my oppionion is even more creative talented and innovative then apple. they just have no sense of marketing and they dont seem to have the resources needced for such a huge brand.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Couldn't help it, given the thread...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3h3Ogt2L44Q

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

Heh.. ok, another one I'm sure the OP will love. WARNING: Despite the cute characters, there is some strong language used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FL7yD-0pqZg

Re: Simple stuff iPhone should do and N900 does
 

Incorrect.

See Nokia Qt SDK. Versions available:

* 32- or 64-bit Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 2, Windows Vista, or Windows 7.
* 32-bit Ubuntu Linux 7.04 or later.
* 64-bit Ubuntu Linux 7.04 or later.
* Apple Mac OS X 10.6 or later (Beta).

It uses MADDE as the glue between Qt Creator and Maemo platform.

So if I may fix it for you:

Re: Simple stuff iPhone should do and N900 does
 

YoDude is wrong, mostly because Apple provides an SDK -only- for OS X. Sort of like Maemo/MeeGo, but restricted to a more closed platform.

And unlike Apple, the general software development toolkit is available on 3 platforms instead of one. Only thing missing is a system emulator, but this is of moderate value on a platform that isn't single-sourced (Apple) or focused on keeping the software in a VM (Android.) After that you're running on hardware anyway.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

infact u can ssh with iphone.. (btw i dig my n900!!)

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

You know the funny thing is that the iPhone doesn't actually do any of those things.

Re: Simple stuff iphone should do and N900 does
 

i dont care about relevant or bulky think, its different, its freedom, its unique, my n900 can do what others cant, i hate apple, im flaming and im proud, if u like apple, u must be love RIM too, they both stupid OS, for ordinary people, and i love to be different, maemo rule, n900 won, thats it, bulky is sexy, relevant is nothing as its can be a king!!:cool: