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Well I spoke to some broker friends who work in the City (of London) today. Those that cover tech stocks all have meetings first thing on Monday morning for briefings about reducing their official recommendations on Nokia stock. They weren't certain what it would be, but most thought it would be an outright 'sell' as opposed to 'moderate sell' / 'underperform'.
The Elop / Ballmer briefing went down like a lead balloon in the City. |
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This is why Stephen Elop merge Nokia with MS.
http://www.dailyfinance.com/company/...onal-ownership Look at the top stock share holder. He's 7th in the top 10 |
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Hello guys
I used to own an n900 but got rid of it for various reasons I posted last year http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=59484 that nokia should either TRULY open source the n900 or use Android Well it seems now that microsoft simply HAS to get a large market share of the mobile OS or it is in trouble, deep trouble I *can* really see M$ buying Nokia, esp with falling share price (anyone else see a connection between the M$ Trojan Horse and Share Price) This is a double win for microsoft, not only has it a acquired a handset manufacturer but equally important is Nokias patent portfolio and this is where it does, in ,my opinion get scary And if I remember rightly didnt Nokia buy QT ?? If so think Oracle Java Android.....................looks like another fork to join open office etc bad times for open source lie ahead...........bad news indeed I get this gut feeling that Nokia will be bought by M$ to attack android I guess there is ZERO chance that Nokia will GPL the closed binaries now................. |
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future prediction, Microsoft buying out Nokia. Yay enjoy your Nokia while it last. Soon all Nokia will be move to Asia base because it's cheaper to run. The Headquarter will be in USA and Finnish is finish.
Good job microsoft. You've succeeded implanted your virus Elop.downadub inside Nokia. |
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not sure but i think we crossed words last year !!!!!...i got banned :*( Spent two months in New Zealand (Oct and Nov 2010) and it was the best 2 months of my life....truly beautiful country and beautiful people. (Think beer and all blacks !!!!! down the pub watching the rugby) Am applying for a work permit (fingers crossed) Spent a few weeks in southern california (visiting relatives..flew LHR -> LAX -> AKL with Air New Zealand) NZ rapes america for lifestyle tbh........ Gary |
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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/12/n...et-chris-webe/
Anyone still think Microsoft is not out to "acquire" Nokia? At this rate, they won't have to buy it at all, just re-appoint everyone with M-Soft employees. |
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Obviously it is going down: the financial analysts know that this is a long-term strategy so for the short-term it has to be negative: Symbian will be gradually out, that is clearly a even larger than anticipated decline in its market share for 2011.
Then in the long term, this is risky (and risk has to be paid by lower share price) because will Microsoft succed in being a leader in this market? And another risk is the fact that profitability is expected to be down as the OS is no longer Nokia but a royalty to Microsoft. What Nokia gain is still unclear. So the market is pricing down the company. It will be even worst if S&P is pushing down the note. |
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Don't you think that if nokia had announced a google deal, the market appreciated it? (sorry for my english). I think investors don't trust in WP'7 strategy. There are right (in my opinion).
The second mistake was to announce this deal without nokia's wp7 products. now there is a gap between the annoucement and the firts nokia's release. |
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sorry for my english too :)
- nothing is proposed for the short-term. And even worst: there is now less short-term perpective than a week ago: Symbian could have kept maybe 15 to 20% of the market at the end of 2011. Now this is possible that Symbian will become marginal quickly. - the long-term is doubtfull. So share prices is going down and it will continue for sure. Especially because in the finance, I guess that what is the most important is the short-term. They do not care too much if Nokia succeed in two or three years with WP. And I am pretty sure that Elop is not too much surprised about the decrease. How come it could have been different: they announce a new partnership with nothing in hands (except image of a concept phone). In the mean time, their leading platform is going to die with only two hopes: most consumers will not know that + mobile operators will keep subsidize their coming symbian phones (and it will be the case if they prefer M$ to Google). That is still a crazy challenge but Nokia has good relations with operators. However I think that a proposal with Android would have been more or less the same for the finance. Because what is the most important is that Nokia has nothing to show and to sell with their committed main partner. The fact that they announce it now comes probably from M$. The announcement is helping current sell and attraction of WP7. And Nokia had to say it because otherwise, there was a possibility that they had become too small (think about 2012) to be a strong partner for M$: remember that Nokia will sell services to M$. And if WP7 is selling well in 2011, it is probably a good sign for Nokia sales for 2012. ... |
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the problem is that almost all other vendors presenting phones. PHONES. and nokia don't presenting any device. OK, they have E7 ready. But nothing else. the market see that and understand the before they start presenting some phones, its impossible to get back in the game.
Several vendors are close to dual-core, that is great and will diferance them against other vendors. Sonyericsson presenting a PLAY, gaming device. that will give them something special. Nokia had Meego that could have given them somthing speciall, but instead ignored that and turned to MS. Now, we have to wait even logner for nokia to present something new. (and i dont even count the new meego phone they are talking about) A year from now and nokia just might present something. |
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Auspicious beginning of new week on Nordic exchange. *Only* 4% down and still diving :>
And pre-market on NYSE is similar. |
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How many of you were/are investors? I remember that when some of us were pointing and saying, 'This isn't good', looking at the stock and at the market shares, the reaction was something along the lines of standing up to say they owned stock and believed it was a solid investment and that the numbers didn't include Asia and other markets as if those markets would float the company along just fine, ignoring the failures in the rest of world and especially in North America and even within Europe. Is this still the case?
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Check this: Analyst Says U.S. Investors Are Short Selling Nokia Stock.
I wouldn't be surprised if those US investors were the very same that blackmailed Nokia's board to elect the MS goon. |
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Will be doing their products the same way. |
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The next 6 months will be very very dark for Nokia. According analyst, Market's shares will be like this:
Here is what the smartphone market shares will look like in Ahonen's estimates: Brand . . . . . . . . . . . Q4 2010 . . . . . . . . Q4 2011 Nokia . . . . . . . . . . . 28% . . . . . . . . . . . 12% Apple . . . . . . . . . . . 16% . . . . . . . . . . . 19% RIM . . . . . . . . . . . . 14% . . . . . . . . . . . 18% Samsung . . . . . . . . 11% . . . . . . . . . . . 14% HTC . . . . . . . . . . . . 10% . . . . . . . . . . . 12% SonyEricsson . . . . ...5% . . . . . . . . . . . .6% Motorola . . . . . . . . . 5% . . . . . . . . . . . ..5% Others . . . . . . . . . ...11% . . . . . . . . . . . 13% Source: http://www.phonearena.com/news/Nokia...dustry_id16865 |
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That is why they had to change their ways.
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That is why you don't EoL something without having its sucessor ready and providing your customers a transition path.
Elop's handling of the "strategic change" will go down in history as a textbook case of how not to do such an announcement. |
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Does anyone have a heads-up on how microsoft's own stock has behaved since elopocalypse?
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http://m.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=nokia+vs+microsoft&x=0&y=0
For a quick comparison. But we have to see what happens Sent from my DROID2 GLOBAL using Tapatalk |
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The only way Elop's announcement could have been be palatable was if he had a WP7 Nokia phone on his hand when he did, with all the features current Symbian phones had. Now what's gonna happen is that the MeeGo phone is going to be released before, and be more capable. The irony! |
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http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/t...ow/7547787.cms Also from streetinsider.com "RBS downgraded shares of Nokia (NYSE: NOK) all the way from Buy to Sell this morning." Currently Nokia dropped back to: Feb/22/2011 8.87 -0.32 (-3.48%) After the downgrade warning. |
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Hahahahahah you ditched us one too many time with your experimental devices, now your loyalist will ditch you and hope you go bankrupt soon.
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With nothing to show yet from this strategic partnership the decline will continue.
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Unfortunately I don't see Nokia sticking around long due to the reasons you mentioned. Nokia seems to suffer from corporate ADD and can't seem to stick with a scalable track for more then 3 years at a time which is why they have been blundering around the last 4+ years, but at least they were staying in the same ballpark. The MS deal is just so far off track and due to the way they handled it I don't see them being able to recover from this maneuver if\when it fails. |
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I´m not surprised. Frankly I just hope they disappear with their WP, and that someone else will arrive with the OS offering that polishing the N900 Maemo 5 could´ve given. Maemo 5 is a little rough on the edges, but it´s still just so awesome, and so nice to be able to tinker with it. I´m not a FOSS fanatic by any means, and am even a little suspicious of the evangelists, but this compartmentalising of data on WP and iOS is just stupid. I don´t like invasive and excessive "look-good-but-useless" measures done in the name of "safety" or "security". That goes for both TSA/air travel charade and the kind that doesn´t allow you to save a PDF down in the web browser and open it in the PDF reader. Hardware wise I wasn´t all that impressed with the N900, this especially has to do with the camera. From a available 3rd party software perspective, I´ve been disappointed. Well even from a Ovi Maps perspective I´ve been disappointed... But Maemo 5 itself is nice and makes the N900 worth using and keeping. |
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Analysts’ Weekly Ratings Changes for Nokia Co. (NYSE: NOK) Congrats to Elop. He is almost there. :rolleyes: |
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Bricking phones on update... sounds familiar.
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Nokia's stock tanks today again. Right now it's down to a new 14 year low at €6.33. For the love of god kick the MS drone out of the office already!
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Stocks tanked across the board yesterday. Irrational panic selling due to Libyan instability.
I panic-bought. :D |
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....at this price, maybe... I'll b-b--b-b-bu-b-b...
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Most of the stocks I bought yesterday already up again today. :D |
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what's my agenda\bias? |
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New 14 year low €6.30.
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