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I reflashed back to Bora. Unfortunately the new xkbd still was "buggy" on Chinook. The latest versions of DOSBox, xkbd, and RubyBox don't install on Bora though. But the older xkbd works great.

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Okay, you can forget that last request ArnimS.

I got the keyboard to fit perfectly now. :D

To launch my custom xkbd file from the left side it's:
xkbd -geometry +65536+65536 -k /media/mmc2/x.xkbd

To launch from the right it's:
xkbd -geometry +722+65536 -k /media/mmc2/x.xkbd


I did have to change the "Minimize" key to "Exit" because when the keyboard resized, something funky would happen with the text input.

So yeah, I'm totally pumped about this latest version!

Sorry to hear about your troubles OSEmutech. As long as you're not launching Dosbox in full screen mode, I don't know what could be wrong on your end in regards to Xkbd.

I've got basically a fresh 2008 OS installed just like you but I'm not having any problems that I'm seeing.

If I run into a bug that you're finding, I'll give you a post back here.

Until then, I'll be enjoying this newest build immensely and intensely. (That sounded a little sick didn't it?) :eek:

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So if I play a game on DOSbox, I need to install xkbd for keyboard support? ANd will it have some sort of save state option?

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OSEmuTech, RubyBox should work fine with Bora if you install the bora version of ruby-maemo.

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Clever. Works great here too. (I prefer +65536+60). Thanks Addison.

Edit: ok yeah it's still flaky. The '-' key not working, shift key generates wrong characters and breaks subsequent input.

Edit, there's some kind of ability to power-down apps and save some kind of state in maemo. I don't know if it can totally save a program state to disk for restoring later.

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Hey guys, I apologize if I'm asking a question that's already been answered, but I haven't been able to find it in the forums...

Is there any way to adjust the font size of DOSBOX's display? It doesn't look like it's using the entire width of the screen and it would be much easier on my old eyes if I could expand the font size.

Thanks!

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Thanks. Would you happen to know where to get Ruby for Bora? http://gronmayer.com/it/ isn't showing anything available for OS 2007.

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Could you elaborate on this please Arnim ?

I have a French (AZERTY) N810 and it is not very usable as it is in Dosbox.

Letters and numbers (with Fn) are OK, but all other characters (punctuation etc.) are off, at least two keys at the lower right are totally inert, and some rather essential symbols for MS-DOS are missing (like dot, star and slash :-).

Strangely, if I issue the KEYB FR command, the letter keys are shifted to a QWERTY layout (!). The others are still off, but in different ways, so the missing symbols differ...

The fun thing is that you can get at the symbols from the missing fourth row of the keyboard (those with the numbers) by "chording" Fn-Shift-top row keys. Fun, but not very usable :-)

Any pointers to how I could try to correct some of this using a "mapper.txt", or even make some function keys ?

TIA,
fp

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Arnims promised to host them soon but pm me if you are in a hurry.

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Ok have mirrored ruby files.

http://pupnik.de/ruby.html

Links also to other sites with more maemo ruby stuff at bottom.

"They can't put the maemo-ruby genie back in the bottle"

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Thanks Arnim. I was able to download 2 of the files, but the following link for libruby is broken.

http://pupnik.de/ruby/libruby1.8_1.8...emo3_armel.deb

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Hey OSEmuTech.

You know, I think I remember reading somewhere that the first 2008 beta version worked really well with Xkbd. Maybe that's something you could look into if you don't mind using an older version.

So, is there any way to pull up the default virtual keyboard while running Dosbox?

If there is a way to do this and keep it running, maybe we should look into modifying that keyboard instead, especially if it works while Dosbox is in full screen mode.

Here's a post I found:
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=14698

I've got a little free time the next few days. If you want, maybe you and I could get together some time and perhaps build a new keyboard using this method.

Any chance you'd be interested in this?


Oh and thanks ArnimS for being such a good sport about my previous posts on the keyboard being one pixel off and wanting to correct that.

I seriously was half expecting a response from you such as
"WTF OCD meds are you on mental boy?!!?!" :D

Cheers guys!

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Possibly. I work on Saturday and get drunk on Sunday (after 17 years I'm drinking again thanks to this tech support job). I just completed getting the Maemo 3.2 SDK installed on my crappy laptop running Windows 2000 and andLinux/Scratchbox. I was hoping to spend some time trying to port Basilisk II to Bora with full screen, GUI configurator, and hildonization. As the bulk of the programs I love work on OS 2007 and quite a few don't work on OS 2008 (yet?) I'll probably be sticking with Bora until I buy a second NIT.

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Well OSEmuTech, that's not going to work out very well since I'm also getting drunk on Sunday.

Now that you mention it, you probably could have rifled off any day of the week and I would still say the same thing. :D

I'm not proud of this, but I think that beer is about the only thing I ever eat these days. Never underestimate the power of denial! :)

So I won't bother you again while you're working on your current project, I just thought that perhaps we would make a good team together.

But now, realizing that both of us would probably be drunk every time we talked, maybe we shouldn't hook up.

Anyway, is there anyone that can get it up and keep it up?

Gentlemen, gentlemen, please.... I'm talking about the virtual keyboard you bunch of sick, filthy animals. :D

If someone knows how to get the keyboard to come up while in Dosbox, would you care to try this? I don't know the command to do so.

If it doesn't work, then we can forget this whole idea.

But yeah, someone please try to pull up the virtual keyboard while running Dosbox and see if this even does anything.

Thanks to whatever egghead that can do this. :)

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Oh yes you would think there would be a way. There's got to be somebody able to figure this out. I've got a sinking feeling though if it could be done then ArnimS, our resident genius guru god of goodness, would have done it long ago. I'm still crossing my fingers though.

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Sorry. My bad... The files are up now.

If someone knows how to get the keyboard to come up while in Dosbox, would you care to try this? I don't know the command to do so.

Huh? Xkbd should launch upon dosbox start. Then you can minimize it and restore it. I don't understand what you want to do. If you want dosbox to launch with a different layout, then edit /usr/bin/dosboxkbd.

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I'm talking about the default virtual keyboard that pops up whenever you want to type something in Notes, X-term, the internet, etc. I think it's called matchbox but I'm not sure.

But yeah, I was wondering if that keyboard can be pulled up during Dosbox, and if so, would it even work correctly.

Now do you get it?

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Oh, the standard hildon popup keyboard. Not gonna happen by my hand.

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Thank you Arnim!

But on the settings screen, should I be allowed to check more than one checkbox? I can only check one and after saving, then re-editing the checkbox isn't checked.

http://fkwjcw.bay.livefilestore.com/...w/rubybox1.png

And when I click on Run, the GUI disappears for a split second, then reappears, with no DOSBox session (even when RubyBox is "minimized" so I can see what else is running).

http://fkwjcw.bay.livefilestore.com/...A/rubybox2.png

It's no biggie to get it fixed (if it is broken on OS 2007) on my account as I can use an old program called Direct Access 5 as a semi-GUI for DOS.

I've been meaning to try out the free Calmira user interface for Windows 3.1x on DOSBox too.

http://www.calmira.de/screenshots/pcfreak1.gif

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O.K. I edited every option in settings in the hope that not having everything filled in was causing DOSBox not to launch. But it still doesn't launch.

And when I exit RubyBox and then relaunch it, the settings for the "game" are not saved from the previous session.

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I'll take a look at it with os2006.

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Ah crap... You're still not getting it.

All I'm asking for is if there is a way, possibly typing something magical in X-Term, that will pop up the keyboard just to see if this hildon thingie works together with Dosbox. It's just an initial experiment that I'm requesting here.

If it does work, then perhaps we could go to the next step which is modifying it's default layout.

I've got no problem editing the keyboard myself, but I probably will need a little help from my friend OSEmuTech since I'm a little fluffy on how to compile anything for the Nokia Tablet.

I'm not asking any extra work on your part ArnimS, but you're the brains behind most things around here.

So is it possible that this hildon pop up keyboard doohicker would work under Dosbox, and if it does, how much of the screen layout for the keyboard can be modified?

I'm totally willing to do this myself, I mean, though I don't know what the hell I'll be doing, I need to learn something eventually in my lifetime.

But before I try this, I just want to know if it's even a plausible idea.

Thanks for reading this long winded post of extreme nonsense. :D

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Try this one, it might be powerful fun...

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That's cool. I immediately recognized the OS/2-ness of the free replacement Workplace Shell.

I own the retail PC Tools for Windows that site has a page about: http://toastytech.com/guis/cpdesk.html

More shell replacements: http://toastytech.com/guis/indexshells.html

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OK, I have to ask: Am I the only one seeing the irony of implementing an emulation of OS/2's Workplace Shell on an old graphical DOS shell running on an emulation of the DOS operating system on a recompilation of Linux for a non-Intel processor?

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No. I'm enjoying the hell out of it. :D

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Naaah, all that new-fangled GUI stuff is still a trifle advanced for me. This weekend I managed to retrieve (after much shuffling and searching of old backups) an archive of the first professional "productivity suite" I used at work in the 80s : the little-known, but quite effective for its time, "Smartware 3.10" by the Canadian Innovative Software (later bought by Informix, who came out with Smartware II, just in time to be wiped by the Windows 3.0 wave...).

Smart 3.10 is a character-based, MS-DOS app in the same league and timeframe as the better known Framework III from Ashton-Tate and SPI's OpenAccess II : a word processor, spreadsheet and database with a common interface and programming language (those were the blessed days when presentation software hadn't even been invented yet :-).

Apart from some keyboard issues, it runs like a champ in Dosbox on my 810, and much faster than the orginal did on my first IMB PC-XT... a real beauty :-)

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I started with Symphony (the original one, not the GUI copycat) myself. Ahh -- the joy of typing in a wordprocessor that is actually a spreadsheet, wearing a cunning disguise.

Now if only somebody managed to reproduce Canon's Cat, or even Archy. I never got to play with it, and come to think of it, the keyboardless Itablets (I don't consider the N810's chicklet bar a keyboard) are probably not the best platforms for these beasties.

Hmm -- while musing: This might be a nice target for that Ueberlady of emulators, the Dame Pandora...

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Does anyone know what the three buttons huddled next to eachother just below the D Pad are called in the mapper.txt file?

I know that the top one of the three is called "key_esc" but I can't seem to find the other two.

I really would like to bind these keys if it's at all possible.

Thanks a bunch.

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In the default mapper.txt file I believe those keys are (from top going down):

key-esc = "key 27"
hand_shutdown = "key 285"
key-f5 = "key 286"

If I remember right I tried to remap "key 286" and it did the dual action of what I mapped it to and also pulling up that little active program menu. Have fun!

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I was wondering... Is it possible to install DosBox on a desktop (x86) machine, do all of the software setup with a real keyboard and mouse, then copy a drive image over to the tablet when everything is done? That would sure make things easier. I know that's the way VMWare does it. You just copy over some files and point the VMWare workstation at the right directory and presto.

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Yeap. You can install everything into a directory (or a hard drive image file if you want), then copy the directory (or hard drive file) over to your NIT to use. Just make the changes to the dosbox.conf file on both systems to setup the autoexec.bat if needed.

It's how I got Windows 95 and Windows 98 running (slow and buggy) on my N800.

http://fkwjcw.bay.livefilestore.com/...0dbwin9500.png
http://fkwjcw.bay.livefilestore.com/...0dbwin9502.png
http://fkwjcw.bay.livefilestore.com/...0dbwin9503.png

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If you're running something that doesn't need sound blaster (i.e. win95) on N8x0 try CPU cycles between 1500 and 2000, or select 'max' cycles for an aggressively high cpu setting.

Should give you much better speed OsEmuTech.

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I meant to try that. :o

I'll have to set things up again tomorrow after work. Windows 95 on DOSBox wasn't too slow (especially compared to Bochs), but if upping the cycles improves the speed a bit, it will be useful running on my N800 (well, except the crashes when installing anything).

BTW: I know it's been talked about before, but even messing around with the mouse sensitivity in dosbox.conf doesn't prevent problems with the cursor not being one-to-one with the movement of the stylus when running certain DOS programs and Windows 3.x/9x.

And the the cursor suffers from being "sticky"; not letting go after a titlebar is clicked so when the stylus is pressed to the screen again the window is moved to that location, as if the left mouse button continues to be pressed down between clicks of the stylus and the windows is dragged to each new location. I know there is a CTRL-F10 combo to release the mouse, but can something be implemented in your port or is this unfeasible? i.e. moving the stylus off the screen releases the left mouse button.

I was just wondering about those two mouse issues: whether you knew about them and whether you hoped to someday implement something to remedy them.

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I am so glad you're doing this! I have obtained a copy of Win 3.11 and I was planning to install it this weekend, but I'm wondering if I should wait for you to solve the big problems with Win 95 and then install that instead. I mean, if you can get Win95 running, we might be able to even install MS Word 97, which can open almost all modern Word docs correctly. Very exciting!

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New working double keyboard.

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/9582/keyboardhe2.png

First, there is no Shift key, since it will break the Xkbd program.

However, there is a Caps Lock button, just below the red Backspace key.

Now, the Caps Lock button tends to carry it's flag when you close out the keyboard.

Meaning, that if you're typing in Caps, but the keyboard is all lower case, just press the Caps Lock button and close out the keyboard.

The next time you fire Xkbd up, everything should be all spiffy like, and you should only have to do this once.

Sorry for such an incredibly small font size.

Is there a way to customize each key as to how big the font is for it? I'd like to use three different font sizes in total.

I'm not finding how to do that. So any help on this would be really welcomed.

Also, anyone care to draw up an up, down, left, and right arrow keys?

Each button is 26 by 28 pixels I believe and the image needs to be in .xpm format. I have no clue on how to even begin doing that.


Edit your /usr/bin/dosboxxkbd file to
#!/bin/sh
xkbd -geometry +65536+65536 -k /media/mmc2/x2.xkbd & xkbd -geometry +722+65536 -k /media/mmc2/x.xkbd


Well, post any responses on the design or you can just pepper my stomach with tender kisses if you're feeling that grateful to me. :D

Cheers.

Here's the two files:
Attachment 1215
Attachment 1216

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:eek: Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. ....

Can I just send you a bunch of money via PayPal instead? :D Thanks!

I'll set things up tomorrow while visiting my parents. Happy Easter! http://www.smileyhut.com/animals/animals_bunny2.gif

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WOW!!! I'm speechless! :cool:

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Then why did you say anything? :p

Ah duh!

Yeah OSEmuTech, Happy Easter to you too.

It's holidays like these when you get to visit the family .........
and remind yourself why you left in the first place. :D


Hey, I just thought of something, are there special characters that have arrows on them that could be used for the up, down, left, and right keys?

That way, no one would have to draw the graphics for them.

Cheers guys.

Now, if you don't mind, it's time to party!

Michigan State is heading for the sweet sixteen. :D

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A common problem with DOSBox seems to be that the location of the MSDOS mouse pointer does not correspond to the place where you tap on the screen. I think that I found the solution on my Nokia N800 by editing the

/usr/share/dosbox/dosbox.conf

file so that:

autolock=false