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lol i don't think so i think he just likes? nokia's support and services. not everyone likes the same things right?

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Sorry for offtopic
@abill_uk and also fieryriver,
I try to avoid liking any company or any thing. I just plainly try to be objective as possible and try to collect facts&information. I do not like or hmmm more precise CARE opinions which are purely based on feelings. Opinions based on purely feelings are like a**holes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks.

I have not said that i like nor i do not like. Generally I like support (as almost any human being), I do not much like Nokia´s current quality of support but on the other hand grass is not so much greener on the other side. Actually IMO everything stinks little bit, whole industry has started little by little really listen customers. And that´s good. But again i´m just mumbling here about my own a**hole and this forum is wrong place for that*.

*at least in context of giving feedback TO Nokia.

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 

This thread has grown larger than the twitter with Niklas itself...

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 

Any chance of someone posting a transcript of the Q & A session to this forum?

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What a load of rubbish! Seriously it seems like not one question was asked by a nokia phone owner!

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 

Just read the Q & A session (thanks Rauha).

What a complete waste of everyones time and nothing of value was learned.

You would have learned more by asking "What is your favourite cake?"

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I already made my little Voodoo doll that I called Niklas Savander, stashed full of his tweet printouts and at the moment slowly twist its right leg... Are you feeling it Niklas??? That is the pain we all go through here on daily basis!!

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Please see the posts in this thread where I did exactly that.

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 

That's pretty much my opinion about anything on Twitter that tries to use it as a tool for meaningfull discussion.

Just don't ask how to make that cake.

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There were a lot of questions regarding Maemo/Meego, possibility to upgrade phones to newer OS versions and so on. This guy completely ignored them. Transcript shows only answered questions. The most important, in my opinion, was: Will I be able to upgrade N8 to Sym^4? Ignored!

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It has been mentioned many times, retweeted by other users and completely ignored by Niklas. Heres an example:
__SubZero__ @niklasatnokia Hello. As a N900 owner I want to know wheter you will continue to support the N900 with new firmware updates? #niklas

You can see all by yourself going to twitter.com if you got account and searching for #niklas. Good luck digging through that digital junk.

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Coincidentally, the tweet you quoted was from me. I asked him the same question, only formulated differently, over 8 times! No response. Here is a chronological list (from oldest to newest) of what I wrote:


@NiklasatNokia: Greetings. I own the Nokia N900 since launch and I have 2 questions. 1) Can we expect another major fw update (PR1.3) soon?

@NiklasatNokia: 2) Why has Nokia failed so much with the marketing of the N900 and its OviStore? Silence, minimum promotion, many delays...

@NiklasatNokia:Hello.I own the N900 since launch and see it as your best product.Can we expect another major fw update (PR1.3) soon? #Niklas

@NiklasatNokia: Greetings. 19M downloads for Maemo5 on maemo.org. Will you continue to support the N900 with new firmware updates? #niklas

@NiklasatNokia Greetings. 19M downloads for Maemo5 on maemo.org. Will you continue to support the N900 with new firmware updates? #niklas

@NiklasatNokia: Stop avoiding questions regarding the Nokia N900! Will you continue to support the N900 with new firmware updates? #niklas

@NiklasatNokia Will you continue to support the N900 with new firmware updates? #niklas

@NiklasatNokia Hello. As a N900 owner I want to know wheter you will continue to support the N900 with new firmware updates? #niklas

@NiklasatNokia: Thank you Mr. Niklas today for nothing. Avoiding most of the questions is for Nokia surely a very good approach. Well done!

@nokia: Why has Mr. Niklas yesterday ignored every question regarding the N900 and Maemo 5? Is this how should a head of marketing behave?

@nokia: http://www.networkworld.com/news/201...tive-show.html !!!


As you can see, I tweeted alot of stuff, but nobody replied. Why? I don't know, but my guess is that both Niklas and Nokia are incapable ignorant idiots. And I wouldn't mind telling something simliar to the guy in his face, he deserves it, as everyone in the marketing and sales department and maemo department in Nokia.

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I didn't mention N900 and Maemo because we all already know that Maemo is discontinued product and I would rather prefer Nokia to focus on upcoming Meego and leave Maemo to community. However, this guy totally ignored questions about the Sym3 to Sym4 upgradeability of the N8 - the phone he 'proudly' uses himself. So he can brag about "I use N8 and I LOVE IT" and totally ignore question "Will N8 get Sym^4 update in the future".

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Well, it won't, be upgraded. N8 is just eyecandy with it's supreme HD camera and etc. Just to keep some customers before they launch sym^4 and meego.

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Err.. Did someone notice the comment posted to the Network World story.

http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/64693

At this point I don't care for any answers. Its already clear for the most part where the N900 is going.

But I'm going to be watching which questions they finally do come up with answers for and which ones get left out because of the "too many to answer" excuse from Nokia :D

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Just in case anybody has missed it on Engadget, here is link to new interview:

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/n...blets-android/

Spoiler: He doesn't say anything about N900 in it either

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Doesn't mean it's not interesting, though.

...stuff we learned this morning during our captivating chat with Niklas Savander:

"a tablet isn't happening anytime soon."

Edit: after reading all of that, I've got the feeling that MeeGo phones are about to get more expensive.

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And, oh dear oh dear how i have trouble tolerating iNgadget's bias.
"and losing daily (in mindshare, at least) to the Apples"

On a less propagandic blog, any blog that wants to appear semi-objective, really, you'd talk about facts instead of... mindshare. Yes, we get it, iNgadget, you really, really have no room to share in your mind for any other religion.

Look at this, numbers from North America, correction, the US, Apples core market:

http://www.media.allerinternett.no/p...&ee=1280833635

Nokia shouldn't waste a minute to worry about Apple. They should worry about Everybody Else Selling Android. Or better yet, not worry about anybody, but just complete the full-OS-on-cell-phone project without swapping course two times between every model. And if they finished that, maybe they could send a sixpack of them to USA to double their percentage there.

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 

you know, maybe this niklas guy doesn't know a thing about the N900. that could explain his lack of answers on the topic.

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You are confusing technology with the user content that you normally see being used in that technology platform.

Its like saying I don't like the internet because its mostly used for porn.

And again twitter is also used for news and all as well - so its not just for keeping up with Pink (which is what you tried).

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I am most dissapointed in the seeming lack of interest in a tablet device by Nokia. Guess I have to wait for a MeeGo Tablet from some other party.

And to think that he (and Nokia) still want to carry on with the Booklet experiment.

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But it is excellent for keeping up with Pink - or in my case @quimgil.

"New MeeGo Handset release running in the N900. Rough stuff, but enough for warming up brave testers. Installation docs just as rough."
about 3 hours ago via web from Mountain View, CA

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 

I think we have all had some very interesting, thought provoking conversations on Twitter.

The 140 character limit is just awful, or so the mass users like to say loudly. I think, being limited to 140 characters per message makes you really THINK before you type.

It forces you to make every word count, and in the age of the internet where words are worth less than the webpages they are displayed on, I feel Twitter creates the importance that has been lost as society has become desensitized to the influx of opinions, comments and complaints.

Like Texrat, I won't deny he was sticking to a script..but really if people were expecting him to say "April Fool's" on Maemo and the N8 is shipping tomorrow, we have a saying for that usually reserved for Apple fans: Please step outside of the reality distortion field!! :)

Also, Engadget just posted a review in which it can be clearly seen that the Twitter 140 limit was really holding back a lot of his answers. Sure, they would have still been PR friendly, but they'd have been longer! :) And more is better, right? Right?

http://www.engadget.com/2010/08/06/n...blets-android/

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The picture from Nokia has been unfolding for some time now and for sure it is going full pelt into Meego so if that is the case and when Meego is finally supporting all components in ANY Nokia device we will know then it is time for it to be ported to the N900.

It is IMPOSSIBLE for the N900 to be dead in any event simply because it lacks only the full driver source, and when THAT is available and it will be pretty damm soon, a full working Meego OS will be adapted for the N900 thanks to stkeeps and his followers.

Rather interesting link to read Inacurate provided ( weird name lol ) as it potrays very much the sentiments of the new ceo from Nokia so it has to be taken serious.

Patience patience and as we head into November i am sure we will have some graded success on the Meego platform for the N900 so only a matter of time.

IS the N900 dead ? ha absolutely no way !!! and as the usb port problem has now been sorted out it means we indeed do have a heck of a MOBILE COMPUTER on our hands.

NB: Nokia can no way shelve support for the N900 WITHOUT giving us ALL drivers !!!.

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Nokia can no way shelve support for the N810 WITHOUT giving us ALL drivers!!!.

...etc

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Oh.. why not?

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Maybe you should have a read of this...

Stskeeps

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Just wondering, did anyone bother to ask what exactly what kind of commitment exists regarding the MeeGo hardware adaptation for Nokia N900, instead of guessing?

Let me draw out some phases of a hardware adaptation:

1) Optionally adapt the OS to your chipset (ARM, X86, MIPS, whatever) . This was done initially by a cooperative effort by the same team currently bringing you MeeGo to N900 (ever wondered why we're called #meego-arm ?), the LF guys and the Intel OS&release guys with some help and guidance.

2) Upstream kernel changes to Linux kernel as this is a requirement for inclusion in MeeGo kernel. This means that when a change breaks MeeGo kernel, it gets noticed and fixed

3) Port any hardware support bits (BME, 3d accelerator drivers, WiFi firmware). Make scripts that fix issues/add features specific to the device that would be different from the base system.

4) Testing, testing, testing. A large bunch of test cases is getting written, problems found in hardware adaptation.

5) Feature completion. All the code is there matching hardware capabilities and has to be maintained.

From there on, things follow the 'seasons' of MeeGo, check out the typical release timeline

The most important phase is the Intrusive Change Phase, where our world may be turned upside down. This is where resources are needed the most. Kernel developers for instance.

Next up is feature development, where a hardware adaptation team is not really doing much if it's already feature complete.

Then there's stabilization, fix bugs... and so on.

What I'm saying is, people are both overestimating and sometimes underestimating what it takes to maintain a hardware adaptation in MeeGo.

Rest of MeeGo will get developed for sure, I mean, it is supposed to be the basis of a large bunch of devices, including Nokia's. A hardware adaptation is what, less than 3% of the code in any given MeeGo N900 image? Rest of this comes directly from the MeeGo project. Core, Handset, and so on. Taking binaries directly.

We're trying hard in MeeGo for N900 to open up for others to help contribute, though we have difficulties at times, but try to lessen them. We're trying to do the hard initial work and work out what it takes to maintain things - including open sourcing key pieces.

It'd be stupid if we spent ages on making a proper hardware adaptation and then just let it to rot after MeeGo 1.1. A lot of QA time spent, developer time. Consider our work momentum to keep the ball rolling in the future - and to keep having momentum by maintaining this work.

Now, will you go test the development images (yes, we uploaded a MeeGo image), report the bugs in the images, submit merge requests to our scripts and code in the hardware adaptation or contribute to MeeGo in general or even discuss the work and direction? By having as many contributors now as possible, the faster we get the work done, including these early contributors becoming experts in 'MeeGo on N900', making them capable of maintaining things in the future.

Many of you succeeded in building own MeeGo N900 images using .ks'es. Congratulations - that's first step any team members who has been doing MeeGo on N900 have had to do. Now, what's your next move?
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Acting maintainer of the MeeGo Nokia N900 hardware adaptation


Then you will realise a few things.

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 

A long time ago, what I realized was that until the food is on the table, I should not take it for granted that I will be fed a good meal. Someone preparing ingredients doesn't mean that someone HAS to feed me. And it surely doesn't mean that the ingredients will complete each other.

I am so talking about Mer now.

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 

Then you should join in the development team and at least support them.

If you want something then you got to take it sometimes.

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Every single N900 owner wants to know what is happening and if you read the thread of that post they will find out.

OK Nokia are slow slow stop go backwards sometimes but no way are they a dieing comapny, they are making progress to the next step in the evolution race and the N900 helped them massivly to do that.

This Niklas maybe new in the tooth and i think he was stupid to put himself on the line like that on a stupid site like Twitter but he had his reasons i guess and should have been more prepared for the questions thrown at him.

Dont take a fool to realise there is bound to be kickbacks after releasing a product that they faild to progress on so i personally think he was a complete waste of time in that area.

We wait and see but in the meantime..... we at least got development going on in the area it is moving with or without Nokia's help ... Meego, and thats what is important.

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That's just the point, though. Bringing a fully working, feature-complete Mer (or MeeGo, since Mer is now an inactive project) to an existing device is a TOO BIG JOB for me and you and the community to do. That's why Mer didn't finish. Not because I didn't work on it.

Now, I am looking at a tiny bit of problem in trying to set up a better companionship between the N900 and the N810, and even this single use case for sync-free, from-pocket audio playback using existing solutions, takes me weeks of spare/stolen time to do. Mer would consist of a million use cases. There's not thousands of me willing to spend spare time on it.

If MeeGo should ever work as good as Maemo on the N900, it requires substantial commitment from Nokia. Once Nokia has another Made-For-MeeGo device they can do their work on, the N900s will start dusting down. What they haven't opened up by then, they're not likely to open up. And that means workarounds, delays, bugs, not-as-good solutions.

In my opinion.

If I want to get a MeeGo phone that works as well as my Maemo phone, then I need to buy a MeeGo phone. That's what I think, anyway.

Oh, and if Nokia had been HTC or Motorola and it was HTC or Motorola that made Maemo/MeeGo, I'd still believe that this is how it'll play out. But with Nokia, we've seen it before. Well, this forum has:

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Oh MER, I waited and waited ... and didnt sell my N810 with hopes of MER.

Now I am not selling my N900 ... with hope again.

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AM sorry to say Volt but you think right and have reason to do so but if you expect Nokia to give more than it already has done then we will all be deluded.

As far as Nokia and the N900 is concerned no way they will invest any more into it as they have already moved on as we all realise now by reading the threads on here.

But having said that it will not stop there because too many have got this device now and this is why we need to give as much support to developers like stkeeps who are working hard but also need the encouragement from us to carry on doing so.

Yes i agree that any hacked version is not as good as the manufacturers but hell what choice do we have?.

Support in your own way is more important little or great as we all depend on it now.

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While I totally admire and support the community aspect of an OS development, the resources required are too big (as Volt mentioned) to do such testing and porting and hardware adaptation. In the end without the support of Nokia there is the chnace it will stll be a half baked effort.

And this has been true for 770 - N800/N810 - N900 transitions.

This has been true for the Zauaus open development effort - which also died (petered out) slowly and painfully.

Have seen (and initially supported) such well meaning intentions by the community - but I realize thw logistical tasks are not possible without the parent company doing the main leg-work.

A lot of N900 usres are not happy with the unfinished nature of the N900 at least in the phone dept. To get a finished Meego device we will have to buy a MeeGo device itself probably.

If I am proven wrong I will be the most happiest - but at this juncture my scepticim gets the better of my enthusiastic self.

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Join the club lol.

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ha ha ha ha ha,,,,,Nokia,,,,,,,conecting crazy users,,,,,,,,,

Re: Nokia exec Niklas Savander welcomes your questions on Twitter
 

there is an old time war saying that goes like this.... When going through hell... carry on !.

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Maybe this time it'll be different.

This - when I've just pulled out some seemingly correct math proof that show hope is illogical - is when qgil usually jumps in all disgruntled-like and surprises me with some unexpected MeeGo-on-N900 development announcement. *eager*

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I dont rate qgil very highly because everything he says never gets completed for one reason or another so better he keep his mouth shut unless it is happened !.

He seemed very very enthusiastic on Maemo but i feel the problem is he gets the carpet pulled from under his feet and bang goes everything he talks.

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i was refering to niklas...niklas did not mention the n900 once.

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