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Mc_mice 2011-05-13 06:55

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Saw this baby in action yesterday.

It was amazing, wonderful and pretty much the thing that has been circulating the net for the last year or so.

Those Nokia engineers should really pay attension where they use these prototypes. :)

gleydsonpr 2011-05-13 07:00

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One more joke... N9 Promotional track

I got a feeling
That it's not going to be a good device
That's not gonna be a good device
Let's hope it, let's hope it, let's hope it
I got my money
To spend on it
Let's get it, let's get it, let's get it
Oh oh oh, it's not gonna be a good device.

It is only a joke, here am really hoping it is going to be a great device. So let's hope it, let's hope it, let's hope it...

Sorry, nothing to do at 4 AM, here, good night fellas, tomorrow I check the comments again, btw this thread is probably going to grow very fast until Tuesday, 17th.

gleydsonpr 2011-05-13 07:18

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mc_mice (Post 1005318)
Saw this baby in action yesterday.

It was amazing, wonderful and pretty much the thing that has been circulating the net for the last year or so.

Those Nokia engineers should really pay attension where they use these prototypes. :)

Can you tell us more details? Like how was the speed, maybe CPU, screen res, GPU, Cam res etc.

Mc_mice 2011-05-13 07:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gleydsonpr (Post 1005327)
Can you tell us more details? Like how was the speed, maybe CPU, screen res, GPU, Cam res etc.

The speed had improved from the earlier versions of the phone, canīt say this was because of the better firmware or the hardware changes ( which I could not verify).

The cam resolution was 12mpix and the screen resolution was 800x460. The latter is just quessing, but compared to my wonderful N900, it looked pretty much the same.

Sorry for not giving exact specs, as I was only viewing the usage, not actually using it.myself :)

Frappacino 2011-05-13 07:36

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did you see any apps on it ?

i.e. aside form sat nav, what else is available ?

Mc_mice 2011-05-13 07:44

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Nothing special, saw only the basic programs.

I have knowledge of few cool apps but it might be too early to even mention them :)

geohsia 2011-05-13 07:48

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mc_mice (Post 1005334)
Nothing special, saw only the basic programs.

I have knowledge of few cool apps but it might be too early to even mention them :)

Anything to suggest HW acceleration of video? 720p playback perhaps?

Mc_mice 2011-05-13 07:59

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
I actually did see some video played, but the resolution was not shown.
But I might make an educated quess and say it manages 720p playback.
Donīt shoot me if it actually canīt . :)

The screen itself was wonderful and 4". The GUI had the same elements as the Nokia Anna , round(er) icons with candy flavored colors ( donīt like).

The application manager was horrible, hopefully they fix it. Swipe gestures where working kinda eratic, there was no clear logic ( at least to me) :p

gleydsonpr 2011-05-13 08:07

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Just a couple more questions, xenon led both??? 12MP looks great if not .@?!&(u8+* Edof, ridiculous 12MP Edof, 720p video recording & playback is the LEAST we are all waiting for. But as you haven't get the media details, it could be just a mp4 file at 2000 kbps rate like the loaded videos of N900 ( O trailer and N900 Official Video . OS? Meego, Harmattan or .@?!&(u8+* Symbian??? Thanks.

geohsia 2011-05-13 08:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gleydsonpr (Post 1005343)
Just a couple more questions, xenon led both??? 12MP looks great if not .@?!&(u8+* Edof, ridiculous 12MP Edof, 720p video recording & playback is the LEAST we are all waiting for. But as you haven't get the media details, it could be just a mp4 file at 2000 kbps rate like the loaded videos of N900 ( O trailer and N900 Official Video . OS? Meego, Harmattan or .@?!&(u8+* Symbian??? Thanks.

Do you know if it has AF. Was it the same camera module as is on the N8?

Mc_mice 2011-05-13 08:23

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
There was dual-flash but was it led or xenon was not shown.

OS was not clear, donīt know what they call it. It was clearly not the same as the Meego I have seen on N900. But then again, Nokia will make there own look of the Meego, the one seen on N900 is the base version.

NvyUs 2011-05-13 08:24

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It is Maemo 6 Its Not MeeGo, no matter how nokia try and spin it

Pillum 2011-05-13 08:27

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but i will still try to install meego de to install on it

Mc_mice 2011-05-13 08:28

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One funny thing he said, that how can you make a linux-based operating system without a terminal.... :eek: This was kinda worring to me.
And no, it was not a symbian , thank god. So might be the harmattan/maemo 6/ what-ever-they-call-it. :p

NvyUs 2011-05-13 08:51

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I read Nokia was thinking about hiding terminal and it only being accessible via a KB shortcut, Not sure how this was going to work with a Keyboardless Device though or if they even went with the idea.

Mc_mice 2011-05-13 08:53

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Looks like they havenīt though of many other things as well, but letīs hope they manage to get a good mobile computer out to challenge N900.

maxximuscool 2011-05-13 09:10

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Let's be honest with yourself for once guys.
Since when did you ever see a Nokia device have better RAM and CPU power than competitors? Not a time that Nokia device have more RAM that I can think off.

Nokia N95-8G has 128MB while competitors has more than 256MB in the same year. N97 released in 2009 still only packed with 128MB while others has 368-768MB RAM. lol

Nokia hardware has always behind others after the N95.
Why did Nokia never made a sufficient enough RAM and Processor device? and yet it selling at higher price or equal to competitors.

I would scratched my head.
Some pixel density to share:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._pixel_density

Jedibeeftrix 2011-05-13 09:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mc_mice (Post 1005332)

the screen resolution was 800x460. The latter is just quessing, but compared to my wonderful N900, it looked pretty much the same.

shame. :(

i was so hoping for qHD!

benny1967 2011-05-13 09:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005365)
I read Nokia was thinking about hiding terminal and it only being accessible via a KB shortcut, Not sure how this was going to work with a Keyboardless Device though or if they even went with the idea.

I remember this, too. OTOH, a "terminal" as we have on the N900 is just another application. I don't care much if they have it installed out of the box... Some say it confuses end users, so it'd be better to drop it. As long as you can easily install it from a repository, what's the difference?

NvyUs 2011-05-13 09:21

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You have a short Memory b/c N95 8GB was way ahead of the competition but its been all down hill ever since for Nokia. They even dropped GPU from S60 after it and its only just made a comeback with S^3 devices.
They had been trying to build devices on the cheap for highend market did a lot for profit margins did that :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:
Let's Hope the New Nokia as more vision and aims to be on par or better with comp specs in the future

geohsia 2011-05-13 09:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 1005372)
Let's be honest with yourself for once guys.
Since when did you ever see a Nokia device have better RAM and CPU power than competitors? Not a time that Nokia device have more RAM that I can think off.

Nokia N95-8G has 128MB while competitors has more than 256MB in the same year. N97 released in 2009 still only packed with 128MB while others has 368-768MB RAM. lol

Nokia hardware has always behind others after the N95.
Why did Nokia never made a sufficient enough RAM and Processor device? and yet it selling at higher price or equal to competitors.

I would scratched my head.
Some pixel density to share:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._pixel_density

They may be a bit behind in cpu / memory but the N8 has one of the best cameras ever on a mobile.

Nokia has always been segment driven, that's why there are so many different version, business vs multimedia vs whatever....

I have no idea how they're positioning the N950 so I don't know what they will put into it.

tissot 2011-05-13 09:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mc_mice (Post 1005350)
There was dual-flash but was it led or xenon was not shown.

OS was not clear, donīt know what they call it. It was clearly not the same as the Meego I have seen on N900. But then again, Nokia will make there own look of the Meego, the one seen on N900 is the base version.

The most interesting question to me is, is there a HDMI out?
There have been some rumors going on that RM-680 would not have it.

geohsia 2011-05-13 09:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 1005387)
The most interesting question to me is, is there a HDMI out?
There have been some rumors going on that RM-680 would not have it.

Then there would be no point in having 720p playback and if that was the case then no need for a good GPU and etc. I hope it's not true.

Mc_mice 2011-05-13 10:20

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The earlier version had HDMI and the latch which hides the port is present. So the port was not shown, but I recon itīs there.

tswindell 2011-05-13 10:37

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There is certainly a Harmatten Terminal application, as it's being open sourced for N900 MeeGo Developer Edition in order to replace the current standard xterm we use, that doesn't work very well with the VKB. There is a possibility that the Terminal program isn't installed by default (though I find this unlikely) but it probably will be hidden away. I also here it's quite good. So lets see :)

tissot 2011-05-13 10:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 1005413)
There is a possibility that the Terminal program isn't installed by default (though I find this unlikely) but it probably will be hidden away. I also here it's quite good. So lets see :)

Exactly. This is what i have heard as well.
While things can change i remember some pretty old presentation by Nokia worker that said terminal being there.

Don't find this a problem at all. If it's not there in default i'm sure we can bother to take 5 secs to download it.

anapospastos 2011-05-13 10:59

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@Mc_mice

Did you notice anything else that is worth saying?

strongm 2011-05-13 11:04

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>ovi maps ... the application is based on qt

Does this mean that there might be a chance of us seeing a proper version of Ovi maps on N900/Maemo 5?

tswindell 2011-05-13 11:05

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It also goes to show, if you target N900 MeeGo DE, your apps will run fine under Harmatten because Harmaten uses the same UI toolkit (MeeGo Touch Framework) albeit deprecated in MeeGo 1.3. So the recommendation is to stick with QtQuick/QML. There are other APIs that are the same in Harmatten and MeeGo, like ofono. So hopefully my dialer application for MeeGo written in QML will work under Harmatten.

Naughty 2011-05-13 11:10

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@Mc_mice

Capacitive or resistive screen? I pray for resistive, can't use capacitive with my long nails. If it's capacitive i have to pass.... :'<

Jedibeeftrix 2011-05-13 11:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Naughty (Post 1005430)
@Mc_mice

Capacitive or resistive screen? I pray for resistive, can't use capacitive with my long nails. If it's capacitive i have to pass.... :'<

i don't imagine any mass-production consumer oriented phones will come with resistive any more, from any manufacturer.

Faustino 2011-05-13 11:25

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
It's easy to build up expectations but I feel people should be a little more realistic about what will most likely happen.

Nokia only tends to surprise people in a negative way.. bear this in mind.

The N900 was a great device and still is.. it was just poorly supported, 3 firmware updates in 2 years is bad by any standards. The device was capable of so much more.

So now we may have a new device imminent.. i'm obviously excited too, but all i'm really expecting is something that will look similar to the E7 and that will probably have very similar specs under the hood.. it would be foolish to think Nokia is going to release a beast..

Is this an improvement on the N900 though? Of course it is..

Is it worth lashing out another €500 for? I don't know yet...


I'm glad it won't be full MeeGo in any case.. I liked the feel of Maemo so when it comes out i'll try it out before deciding on commiting to a purchase.. then if i do, maybe in a year when there is a stable usable version of MeeGo to download i'll make the jump.. but i certainly won't be making any blind decisions like I did with the N900..

Last year I bought into the Nokia PR about how Maemo was the next generation platform for years to come.. and i think like every other N900 user, we were burnt by false promises

Now we all have some choices.. do we jumo brand, start using HTC, LG, Samsung.. whatever.. OR.. start using the Nokia WP7 which is sure to have great support..

OR..

Stick with something just a little different?

Mc_mice 2011-05-13 11:37

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
The screen was capacitive.

Comparing it to the E7, it is much more mediasexy. The E7 was like a tank, you could club a dozen applefanatics with it and wouldnīt make a dent to itīs casing.

This one had a lighter feel to it. But it didnīt look cheap or anything. I liked it, only wish the would have made the screen without the elevation.

Hope that they fix lot of the problem I saw( the touchscreen not working fluently, the task manager been a total letdown)

Sorry that I couldnīt answer all the questions with exact detail, but as I said, I was only a looking over the shoulder of the usage of this thing.

Stonik 2011-05-13 11:57

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Faustino (Post 1005437)
The N900 was a great device and still is.. it was just poorly supported, 3 firmware updates in 2 years is bad by any standards. The device was capable of so much more.

Not just the device, I really like Maemo 5 UX too. It's nowhere near perfect, but basic things like multitasking with dashboard and status bar are nicely done. Hopefully MeeGo-Harmattan makes things even better.

Mc_mice 2011-05-13 12:09

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One more thing.

I didnīt see any widgets or shortcuts on the homescreen.
Yep, homescreen, not homescreens.

Everything was started from the main menu, like iPhone. Well almost everything. The settings where accessed from the top of the screen Donīt know if this is the only way, but sure gonna miss the editable homescreen(s) if that is the case.

sevla 2011-05-13 12:23

Re: N9 hits FCC???
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mc_mice (Post 1005461)
One more thing.

I didnīt see any widgets or shortcuts on the homescreen.
Yep, homescreen, not homescreens.

Everything was started from the main menu, like iPhone. Well almost everything. The settings where accessed from the top of the screen Donīt know if this is the only way, but sure gonna miss the editable homescreen(s) if that is the case.

did the interface look anything like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INVlmjJKXjk

Mc_mice 2011-05-13 12:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sevla (Post 1005468)
did the interface look anything like this?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INVlmjJKXjk

Nope, the N9 image that have been on the net for a long time
( this one http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...2YjTk28p85q_Ig)
, and thats it. You just press the "button" on the middle of the screen and that opens the main menu.... like in iPhone.... :mad:

Might be that it was on itīs default settings, so might have gotten wrong impression from it. :p

kojacker 2011-05-13 13:28

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Mc_mice (Post 1005489)
Nope, the N9 image that have been on the net for a long time
( this one http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...2YjTk28p85q_Ig)
, and thats it. You just press the "button" on the middle of the screen and that opens the main menu.... like in iPhone.... :mad:

Might be that it was on itīs default settings, so might have gotten wrong impression from it. :p

Hmm.. is that a physical button?

Edit: Nope, thanks Zymo for the reply below :)

zymo 2011-05-13 13:44

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1 Attachment(s)
there is no physical button on the front. Look here is another Image showing the device in potrait-mode.

eMiL 2011-05-13 13:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Jedibeeftrix (Post 1005432)
i don't imagine any mass-production consumer oriented phones will come with resistive any more, from any manufacturer.

If you want resistive, go China:

http://www.techrockstar.com/2011/05/...ndroid-2-3-os/


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