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Well if Microsoft money does it will be quite ironic :)

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And why is that? Seriously.

But... Zune Marketplace isn't everywhere Nokia sells devices. So, how will people have access to this cool ecosystem when it's not even native in their language, locale or even with content?

Huge gap right there for Microsoft.

That's what needs to have plans set up around it... and Elop just ain't doing it.

I have an WP7 phone. The OS, the ecosystem, the way it integrates into my active lifestyle... it's not high end. In fact, it's a feature phone at best.

And I'm being kind by saying that. Let's be realistic for a moment... saying it is high end, selling it at high end, and ultimately selling it at all have been three things that have yet to happen convincingly in regards to WP7.

And if you say "Oh, but you bought one..." it's because it's my job to evaluate new OS's to see how viable of a solution it is. I've already passed on WP7.

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Ok take this anecdotal evidence with a grain of salt but I was hanging with a NYC MS exec last night (he was in a private meeting with Balmer today) and he basically told me that Elop is looking out for MS interests (he is not a trojan horse per se) but they will not buy Nokia. The deal they signed has Nokia locked in for years with WP7 as their 'primary smartphone' platform and they will give Nokia engineering and marketing support.
MS want Nokia to be successful so the stock price drop has been quite a shock to the company they were not expecting it. Essentially the deal is structured as such that literally there is no need to buy them.
He also dished on Skype which is going to be integrated into every MS product. They are working on integrating it into Lync, Live messenger and Xbox live.

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Dude, get with the times, if the OS is running on a 1GHz CPU it must be high end. :cool:

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future proof according to whom?
Steve Jobs?
Eric Schmidt?

do you really expect Apple & Google to roll belly up & let m$ (& NOKIA, but NOKIA is really only a bystander then) take over the market?
right now, even RIM fares better then m$ :D

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I suggest you stop replying to Ericsson, he is definitely a Microsoft bot. :D

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naaaa,
if you had to pay hundreds of bucks to get it, it IS high-end, even on a 166Mhz pentium :rolleyes:

the problem w/ m$ software is that no matter how powerful the CPU is, it is always too slow :|

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Apart from you who actually thinks anything around WP7 is actually "cool"? Of all the OS's it is probably the least "cool" at present and Nokia seems to be becoming just as uncool as well.

As far as Symbian is concerned if it is the best for Nokia at present why as Elop tried to destroy it with his burning platform memo? If he had just suggested WP7 would replace meego in the high end devices Symbian devices would have kept selling, even if Elop did eventually intend moving over to S40 for these devices.

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it's more for the fun to see him contradict himself every other post then anything else.
he is like a hunted down rabbit jumping from one side to the other, desperate to escape...

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It works both ways for today's generation, it must be expensive and also running on a 1 GHz at least. Below that it's just a dumb phone, like they even care if it has copy/paste. :eek: Is it me or have people gotten dumber since the iPhone launch :confused:

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Well done for training him, you now have your personal web hamster on a ferris wheel. Keep feeding him, his running has no finish line :D

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I have a Symbian phone, a Nokia E6. The OS, the ecosystem, the way it integrate into my active lifestyle... It's high end, it's class, it's style, it's full of features even, geeky features. In fact, it's a Nokia smartphone at it's best :D

You may know WP (on HTC or Samsung or whatever you have). But I tell you, you don't know Nokia.

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Well, that's gonna go down the pooper once WP7 lands on a Nokia. Personally, I won't be able to look at a Nokia device with that giant Windows logo. :mad:

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Oh no, not again :eek::eek: I see some e-cocks trying to get out into the open. Run out of arguments have we? Beaten and battered are we?

Well, misterc. I thing we should change your name to mister cannot c, that will suit you better.

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We should change your name to MicroBot. That's why you love Ericsson since it got screwed by MS. I bet when it happens to Nokia, that's the name you'll have.

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You assume way too much. I'm under the impression that you seriously lack the knowledge to maintain a proper discussion.

Let's lay it down to where even a simpleton can follow.

Microsoft licenses (and develops) the WP7 platform to Nokia.

Microsoft has set up services: Bing (search), Zune Marketplace (music, videos, applications), Bing Maps (maps, navigation), Hotmail (e-mail), SkyDrive (online cloud storage), XBOX Live Network (gaming network), Internet Explorer (browser), MS Office (Office 365 is online, for pay, the rest is via shared documents/Hotmail). And Microsoft has placed all of those into the WP7 platform.

Nokia will incorporate that platform into their hardware. Microsoft will dictate the hardware, but not the interface. Microsoft will gain access to Nokia's work, vice versa.

Now... as it stands, this is the very same deal that Samsung, HTC and whomever else makes a WP7 has made with Microsoft.

So "not knowing" Nokia... you couldn't be more wrong. I fear that you just don't know much about how this is setup nor how much of anything works.

Down this path, Nokia has just become a cherished OEM. There's nothing special about that. They just happen to make good hardware (Nokia) to go along with the crap (in terms of sales) OS (WP7).

You never answered the lack of Zune Marketplace in all of the same areas that Nokia sells devices.

To turn your own phrase on you... I don't think you know Microsoft.

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kaBOOM!!!! :eek:

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you haven't answered any of the questions you were asked in the last 5+ pages.
every post you make is trying to say differently that we HAVE TO love wp, m$ ecosystem will be paradise @ best, palmy beach @ least
you sound like a bigot
Balmer is almighty
m$ rules the world...
it's nauseating by its monotony. :(
indeed, ignoring you seems the best option...

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Brah, you never knew that the MS ecosystem is the Garden of Eden. :rolleyes:

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Have you found any proof yet?

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and who bit the apple??????
:D ;)

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Obviously Jobs, since he patented it :p

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good point!
NOKIA, obviously, is the snake :cool:
they had so much success in the mobile phone market, they made everybody green of envy... :D
now, Flop got the marching orders to tame it, so that m$ could learn the dance of the snake, too :eek:

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Love ericsson? You know ericsson is a very common name around here.

Quite honestly, I am no fanboy off anything else than cool gadgets. I have had several Sony Ericssons, and yes even a Ericsson (without the Sony). I have had lots of Nokia, Palm, HTC, Samsung, a Phillips even, a few china-phones, and an iPhone for a short time.

The one I disliked most was the iPhone. The ones I liked most was Nokia, SonyEricsson and Palm in no specific order really because they come from different years. Right now the E6 is the best there is, a true little gem.

If Nokia+WP turns out to be utter crap, so be it. But you people here are basing your entire opinion on some mass psychosis conspiracy nonsense that Elop is mr evil and Nokia is mr poor good guy that understands nothing. You are so totally off the charts, I don't know where to begin. First, Nokia is one of the roughest companies around regarding business, arrogant and hard headed and does whatever it takes to get the deal home - on their terms - or no deal at all. They also happen to make the coolest phones around. Right now they are in a tough spot, but to even think that the deal with Microsoft involves the possibility for Microsoft to purchase Nokia, it is so stupid that words are not enough.

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Well, you can't blame anyone for thinking you are a Hard Core fanboi.

You are repeating Nokia corporate proganda to the letter. Not just usual the fanboism. I mean you are swallowing and repeating every single thing Nokia PR produces. I guess it is just a coincidence and you are a free thinker of highest quality.

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I am so sorry. I answer one question, and 20 new pops up, too bad. I really don't care. There is a world of difference between loving MS and not being a paranoid stupid little jerk. That's it really.

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It's not an opinion, it's a fact that Mr. Elop is Dr. Evil. The burning memo was the first straw, saying Nokia was incapable of competing with iPhone...tah dah - - N9 shocks the world with the positive feedback. Also, saying that Nokia will only be able to produce 3 MeeGo device up to 2013, there is already 2 devices ready, N9 and N950. I doubt a company like Nokia can produce only one more MeeGo device till 2013. Symbian keeps growing in sales, and now with the E6 and X7 is gonna grow even more. It's facts buddy. Now Dr. Evil has sold Nokia's soul to the devil (Microsoft) for pocket money.

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but you don't even need to begin, with a false pretense like that. It was just a few pages ago I was thanking gerbick for pointing out the long history of nokia mismanagement leading to this, since it's frustrating that people are forgetting history and only (justifiably) dog-piling Elop.

there, saved you some cycles. you're welcome. :)

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Nah, he is just a fangirl waiting to be unleashed :D

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bing maps is inferior to nokia own ovi maps

they only use the maps nokia makes their own software for it, and its the best navigation tool

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Elop is NOKIA saviour. The worst thing with NOKIA was its complacency and he is shaking it things up. Nokia n900 was a joke! Nobody bought it. Maemo can not compete with apple and android. I so strongly believe that they will succeed that I bought the stock.

Everybody is looking at WP7 and NOKIA in isolation. The beauty will be engendered when the two conjugate to create a platform that will have the best components of the two. You can already see it in the Sea Ray. A beautiful phone just like N9. and it will sell big in the States.

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It think ericsson's IQ is about 100 points above yours.

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Please. For what its worth, I have been using Opera (on my Symbian E6) and Firefox on my Ubuntu laptop writing all this "MS-love-propaganda" for the last couple of days. Because I have been installing/uninstalling stupid nonsense (and yes I mean that) MeeGo on my N900.

I believe Nokia and MS is doing the right thing, and I think they will succeed. It makes perfect sense, and they have the brute force to pull it through if necessary, which I doubt they need to do. What all you are saying makes no sense, and it makes no sense because it is only paranoid bull with no root in reality. You are also overplaying the whole deal. The deal is not much different than the deal Nokia had with Symbian, only with Symbian Nokia had much stronger obligations. The deal with Symbian was much tighter than the deal with Microsoft.

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guys nokia already confirm they are not touching wp7.

u will get the same horrible UI all other brands, the only difference nokia is suppose to get its own share of software market.

stupid too since they can't sell their QT apps on it.

well i am pretty sure nokia wp7 sales will fail, and get destroyed by android . iOS competition.

if wasn't intertal boycott even own n9 and symbian devices,.

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Nokia N900 did really well with no advertising whatsoever. I see lots of girls with a N900 around me and more that are interested in my N900. You are just another fanboy deluded by Elop's failure of a decision (I mean for the consumer, not Microsoft).

Btw, US market is not interested in Sea Ray, they are interested in the N9 and MeeGo. Last time I heard, WP7 sales suck even in their home turf. Read up a bit more and stop putting all that trust in the WP7 deal since you bought NOK shares and the price went up 1$/share. I suggest you sell now before it gets down to 2/share unless Nokia sells the N9 in more markets ASAP.

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I doubt Nokia will even release Ovi Store on WP7. It's gonna be a last minute decision: "Nokia won't be able to transfer their apps to WP7 since there is no Qt support and we want to have the OS as Microsoft envisioned it. We will use the marketplace since it has 20000 apps already available for HTC, Nokia, Samsung, bla bla."

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Pics or GTFO!!!

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the only reason why the N9 won't sell big in the states is because Flop decided it wouldn't be sold there.
that's easy to foresee.
i really don't understand why the same hardware, which is hardly more then a iPhone without button on the face should do any better with a software that is getting less and less popular every day.
mind elaborating?

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Such conjugation may produce either a genius or an idiot?

Which one is more likely?

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Let him be, he is filled with optimism concerning the MS-Nokia deal. He has NOK shares. :rolleyes: