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smph 2012-05-18 20:16
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
There was a new piece on Meltemi in the Finnish magazine Tekniikka&Talous today, there's a short online version here.

Only read the summary myself, it's basically saying that Nokia is pushing the development of the new OS meant for cheap phones and tablets(!?), the first phones might be out this summer and they have started the development almost from scratch because Meego would have been too heavy for low-end phones.

tso 2012-05-19 01:07
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Just hope it will be Maemo hackable. If so i may reconsider my avoidance of Nokia phones.

specc 2012-05-19 03:34
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by smph (Post 1208890)
There was a new piece on Meltemi in the Finnish magazine Tekniikka&Talous today, there's a short online version here.

Only read the summary myself, it's basically saying that Nokia is pushing the development of the new OS meant for cheap phones and tablets(!?), the first phones might be out this summer and they have started the development almost from scratch because Meego would have been too heavy for low-end phones.
So far the only thing to have surfaced is Swipe on S40. I seriously doubt Nokia would build anything from scratch when they got S40.

The Nokia contract with MS. Does anyone know the ties in there, or are you simply jumping to conclusions?

Hurrian 2012-05-19 05:00
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"Phones are so last season" ?
"Linux-based" ?
"MeeGo" ?

I smell NITs.

Especially if Nokia really isn't allowed to make phones running anything other than WP.

Can we has bigger NITs now?

sony123 2012-05-19 05:24
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Quote:
Originally Posted by smph (Post 1208890)
Only read the summary myself, it's basically saying that Nokia is pushing the development of the new OS meant for cheap phones and tablets(!?), the first phones might be out this summer and they have started the development almost from scratch because Meego would have been too heavy for low-end phones.
That's the plan.
Impossible for phones to meet summer schedule, most likely Q4 if not later....
The other device is for next year, and a lot can happen from now till then. So like Elop said the most important thing for the next billion now is to deliver, once the phone(s) is out, the strategy will pan itself out more clearly.

bigfatdeal 2012-05-19 06:39
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@zimon :The appcampus comment was made by someone else, not Sotiris.

I agree Sotiris' comment can be read that way, but the placement of the ellipses (...) suggests to me that the linux based and smartphone phrases are separate.

----

Sotiris : @xxxx : come and join us. We have space for you and this is [sic] thing is cool. Rest: is a surprise but Meego team is coming back with a new name and a new game but Linux based...phones are so last season :-)

Helmuth 2012-05-19 08:11
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Regarding the SmartPhone definition. In my opinion we can't call Windows Phone a SmartPhone OS. It is totally restricted, the most features other devices had for ages are not implemented. So I would say WP7 Devices are the new featurephones. No mather what the MS marketing machine is writing.

zimon 2012-05-19 15:39
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1208739)
Its a WP-thing w/ MS.
http://www.appcampus.fi/
Quote:
Once the application is up on the relevant Application MarketPlace (Windows Phone and/or Nokia), the App developer may not post a similar application to a competing marketplace for 6 months.
Nice touch (of Microsoft).

benny1967 2012-05-19 15:48
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1208875)
I have thought the definition and smart phone is just that you can install 3rd party software to it.
You can install 3rd party software on S40 phones. That doesn't make them smartphones. Neither is a WP7-Phone a smartphone even though xou can install 3rd party software.

Metsämies 2012-05-19 15:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1209249)
You can install 3rd party software on S40 phones. That doesn't make them smartphones. Neither is a WP7-Phone a smartphone even though xou can install 3rd party software.
If you can install 3rd party software on phone, it's smartphone.

Cue 2012-05-19 16:13
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1209254)
If you can install 3rd party software on phone, it's smartphone.
Then by that definition this is a smartphone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3310

3rd Party software can be installed on most feature phones.

immi.shk 2012-05-19 16:16
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1209254)
Quote:
Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1209249)
You can install 3rd party software on S40 phones. That doesn't make them smartphones. Neither is a WP7-Phone a smartphone even though xou can install 3rd party software.
If you can install 3rd party software on phone, it's smartphone.
what are you saying bro.. the comment you Quote is having answer in itself..
@Cue thanks :)

Metsämies 2012-05-19 16:18
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Custom ringtones aren't software.

Cue 2012-05-19 16:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Metsämies (Post 1209267)
Custom ringtones aren't software.
You could install applications, which at the time were mostly unit converters, calcuators, etc.

Most feature phones (S40) supported J2ME.

ibrakalifa 2012-05-19 16:42
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MeeGo and maemo has it own class, really different and unique, its not smart or smarter, its smartest one, :D

somedude 2012-05-19 19:17
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if you play with the phone in toilet or look at it more than 45 times a day, it'll be considered a smartphone for you

benny1967 2012-05-19 19:55
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Quote:
Originally Posted by somedude (Post 1209338)
if you play with the phone in toilet or look at it more than 45 times a day, it'll be considered a smartphone for you
LOL... That's probably the smartest thing I've heard so far in this context. :)

qwazix 2012-05-20 13:58
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cue (Post 1209263)
Then by that definition this is a smartphone
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_3310

3rd Party software can be installed on most feature phones.
It was the 3410 which supported Java Apps not the 3310. I think the definition of smartphone is if you can install 3rd party software excluding J2ME due to their heavily sandboxed nature. Of course J2ME on S60 was less sandboxed than WP7 apps but that's another story.

zimon 2012-05-20 14:30
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With most of the apps, sandboxing works and is a good thing.
The best applications in my S60 phones were J2ME-applications.

qwazix 2012-05-20 14:43
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it depends how. First J2ME apps couldn't communicate with the outside world at all. Whatever you created stayed inside forever. That was only good for games.

Later, J2ME became first class citizens and even had their own icon on S60. In fact you could barely recognize them from native apps.

specc 2012-05-20 14:58
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
But, as far as I can tell, Meltemi is S40 with Swipe/Qt on top. Everything of rumor with some substance points to this configuration. Can anyone point to some info that originates from Nokia saying otherwise?

zimon 2012-05-20 15:13
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Yep. Elop and Microsoft would not allow Nokia to develop Linux phone as long the contract is in effect.

pycage 2012-05-20 16:54
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Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1209652)
But, as far as I can tell, Meltemi is S40 with Swipe/Qt on top. Everything of rumor with some substance points to this configuration. Can anyone point to some info that originates from Nokia saying otherwise?
I heard information from Nokia Harmattan and Meltemi employees from this year, but I won't mention names. But it confirms Linux. Not Maemo/MeeGo-based, though.

specc 2012-05-20 17:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1209713)
I heard information from Nokia Harmattan and Meltemi employees from this year, but I won't mention names. But it confirms Linux. Not Maemo/MeeGo-based, though.
So, nothing substantial. My bet is 95% S40, 5% Linux.

immi.shk 2012-05-20 18:01
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1209737)
So, nothing substantial. My bet is 95% S40, 5% Linux.
AFAIK, NOKIA doesn't believe in that... instead of cleaning the blackboard nokia will bring a cannon and destroy the whole wall..
then create a new wall, hang a blackboard on it and then write..

so we should expect a totally new OS from NOKIA instead if blend between S40 & Linux or something else...

rcolistete 2012-05-20 18:11
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Helmuth (Post 1209090)
Regarding the SmartPhone definition. In my opinion we can't call Windows Phone a SmartPhone OS. It is totally restricted, the most features other devices had for ages are not implemented. So I would say WP7 Devices are the new featurephones. No mather what the MS marketing machine is writing.
Don't be surprised by people saying WP7 is a smartphone OS.

In the last months I've read a lot non-sense :
- Nokia N9 is not a smartphone because it hasn't WhatsApp, NetFlix, etc;
- Android, iOS or even WP7 has better "multitasking" than MeeGo Harmattan;
- Symbian isn't and wasn't a smartphone OS, but iOS was since the 1st day.

tso 2012-05-20 18:15
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crap, and here i was going android...

Mandibela 2012-05-20 18:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1209767)
Don't be surprised by people saying WP7 is a smartphone OS.

In the last months I've read a lot non-sense :
- Nokia N9 is not a smartphone because it hasn't WhatsApp, NetFlix, etc;
- Android, iOS or even WP7 has better "multitasking" than MeeGo Harmattan;
- Symbian isn't and wasn't a smartphone OS, but iOS was since the 1st day.
^^^This. *facepalm* everytime. Unbelievable.

specc 2012-05-20 18:31
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by immi.shk (Post 1209757)
AFAIK, NOKIA doesn't believe in that... instead of cleaning the blackboard nokia will bring a cannon and destroy the whole wall..
then create a new wall, hang a blackboard on it and then write..

so we should expect a totally new OS from NOKIA instead if blend between S40 & Linux or something else...
Well, S40 with Swipe/Qt is real

Besides, it makes sense to use S40 on low end, they are already doing it. Using Linux on low end does not make so much sense, but it does make some sense. It can be used as a plan B.

specc 2012-05-20 18:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mandibela (Post 1209775)
^^^This. *facepalm* everytime. Unbelievable.
Not so much. Take a poll on this forum asking if Symbian is a real smartphone OS.

Mandibela 2012-05-21 06:38
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Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1209787)
Not so much. Take a poll on this forum asking if Symbian is a real smartphone OS.
Yepp, it's causing a lot of *facepalm*. This forum has only gone downhill with all the newbs/blind fanbois joining in lately. They really don't have a clue - the funny part is that they don't really want to know either.

jalyst 2012-05-21 06:42
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1208884)
Who said?
In the screen capture he may be saying "linux is just so last season". And then they talk about appcampus being a cool place. The appcampus is all about WP-applications. A project to get more WP-applications to the WP-store so the MS ecosystem would grow. MS is investing millions to that program with Nokia. If you cannot win them, buy them.
No, the capture clearly says its Linux-based, with a hint at the end that it's not a phone.
Anyway who cares, we all still know very little..........

immi.shk 2012-05-21 07:48
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Quote:
The Meltemi OS probably takes different elements of the platform MeeGo Nokia N9 - for example, touch interface, which is controlled by gestures. It is not excluded and technology compatibility Qt, which will bring the capabilities of these expensive devices to smartphones - most recently in the Qt code name appears on the Meltemi
source

another

sony123 2012-05-21 08:16
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1209784)
Well, S40 with Swipe/Qt is real

Besides, it makes sense to use S40 on low end, they are already doing it. Using Linux on low end does not make so much sense, but it does make some sense. It can be used as a plan B.
That S40 is swipe but not Qt. I don't know for sure, but so far the strategy I heard is to make Meltemi scales both down and up (left and right as well...), not making S40 supports Qt.

sony123 2012-05-21 08:25
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Quote:
Originally Posted by pycage (Post 1209713)
I heard information from Nokia Harmattan and Meltemi employees from this year, but I won't mention names. But it confirms Linux. Not Maemo/MeeGo-based, though.
Thanks for sharing. Sounds like the API might be quite different....

Earlier I tried asking Quim if NOK can tell dev what Harmattan APIs will be in Meltemi, but didn't get an answer. Honestly, I wasn't expecting one since launch date is still some time away... hopefully they will be ready to make the API public in late summer.

tso 2012-05-21 08:47
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mandibela (Post 1210058)
Yepp, it's causing a lot of *facepalm*. This forum has only gone downhill with all the newbs/blind fanbois joining in lately. They really don't have a clue - the funny part is that they don't really want to know either.
That change happened with N900, as being phone appealed to Brand fans that wanted the latest and greatest from Nokia. Before then people were treating the Maemo devices more like PDAs or pocket computers, appealing more to *nix nerds than joe on the street (no matter what the bundled videos gave the appearance off. Made it look like the Maemo devices was an attempt at a end run around US carrier's market control).

specc 2012-05-21 08:57
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sony123 (Post 1210083)
That S40 is swipe but not Qt. I don't know for sure, but so far the strategy I heard is to make Meltemi scales both down and up (left and right as well...), not making S40 supports Qt.
Maybe you are right. It sure woud be interesting to see a roadmap from Nokia.

jalyst 2012-05-21 11:11
Re: Meltemi - Lightweight Linux based os from Nokia
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1209652)
But, as far as I can tell, Meltemi is S40 with Swipe/Qt on top. Everything of rumor with some substance points to this configuration. Can anyone point to some info that originates from Nokia saying otherwise?
Quote:
Originally Posted by specc (Post 1209784)
Well, S40 with Swipe/Qt is real
Besides, it makes sense to use S40 on low end, they are already doing it. Using Linux on low end does not make so much sense, but it does make some sense. It can be used as a plan B.
It's beyond Qn that Meltemi's a real project, & has nothing to do w/S40.
I don't know how you could suddenly come to some other conclusion.
I'm not going to waste my time digging-up articles, sources etc.
But I'd recommend you follow mynokiablog more closely than what you have.
Or even try to recall the countless posts in many threads here.
I've even spoken to former a MeeGo team leader who's confirmed it's existence.

By latest best informed guesstimations.....
S40's to occupy the 1xx/2xx series, Meltemi 3xx->5xx & possibly higher, & WP possibly slightly lower than 6xx.
There's a chance they decide to drop it at some point, but for now it's real.
I doubt they'd use it exclusively for tablets, S40's too anaemic to compete with Android at some price points.
S40 is taking on-board more "Swipe-like" elements with Sonic Touch.
That doesn't suddenly mean that Meltemi no longer exists & S40 = Meltemi.

kundo 2012-06-16 13:28
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Quote:
Originally Posted by zimon (Post 1208884)
Who said?
In the screen capture he may be saying "linux is just so last season". And then they talk about appcampus being a cool place. The appcampus is all about WP-applications. A project to get more WP-applications to the WP-store so the MS ecosystem would grow. MS is investing millions to that program with Nokia. If you cannot win them, buy them.
He said: "... a new game but linux based."

From the campus web:

What is the selection criteria?
A:
The specific criteria will be announced later, but on a high level we are looking for a unique, innovative, high impact application ideas, which utilize the Windows Phone features for differentiation. Other Nokia platforms like Series 40 may be included as well.

jalyst 2012-06-18 05:48
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^Not sure why you're reviving this dead thread again......
Sotiris has been closely associated with anything meego/meltemi related since forever.
He was clearly hinting at something Meltemi-based that's not a phone.
But with the recent lay-offs, it's almost certain that such a project's now dead.


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