Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

As someone who straddles the line between "general consumer" and "linux power user", I'd like it if the Jolla community (Forums, resources, KM, user participation, apps) was molded in a way that is easily consumable by someone who doesn't *have* to hack their phone if they don't want to, but contains the depth and resources for those that do if they want to push boundaries.

In other words, I hope the organization of any new community doesn't imply Linux guru skills by default in order to participate (I hope it's as commercially viable to as many people as possible and not geek niche). That means when in doubt, don't assume knowledge but make things as simple as possible by default, and provide a path to heavy duty Linux guru stuff for those that enjoy that.

I wish I had more specific examples. I suppose if I had to try to resummarize even further, I hope this community is as accessible and useful to the layman as it is the power users/devs and I think it's easier to build with those different audiences in mind from the start then it is to start advanced-niche and then try to shoe-horn in the common user later.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

For tablets they should join with PlasmaActive. Otherwise it'll be another efforts spreading. For handsets however they'll be making something new!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Harmattan was too fragmented, but maybe a split between dev+user makes sense.

developer.nokia felt like the wrong place for Qt/QML questions since the change of Nokia's focus to WP. But a dev.jolla and a talk.jolla might both be useful (as would blog.jolla with info from both official and community sources)

A community OBS would be handy but I wouldn't be too interested in a garage.jolla, using gitorious (or github) would make sense for a company that will need to pull in as big a community as it can.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The best thing is to create Mer targeted community, that will create releases to different Mer derivatives.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'm monitoring the PySide mailing list and nothing so far. :) I think they are waiting for a stable Qt5 release.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

What if Nokia created Jolla to work outside the company because they are obligated to Microsoft that they are not going to develope/produce linux (or any other that aren't WP - symbian excluded) phones? Just a thought:)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

We have Maemo5, Maemo6, Tizen, MeeGo... I think, thats all great OS, but they have no chane against the big, widely used OS iOS, Android, WinPhone...
We need a free Linux based OS, that combines the best of Maemo5, Maemo6, Tizen, MeeGo... it should be done and not everyone do their own thing!!!

Sorry, my english is very bad...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Please correct me if I am wrong but isn't partly what made the N900 and the N9 so great was the "OMAP processor"? What ever Jolla does has to include an OMAP chip. Wouldn't that attract the best "developers/hackers/tinkerers"?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I was thinking that there should be a subscription base repo model
ie, $5pm which then can be split to dev/host.
Per download stats for the month?

Then devs can choose to make it free, non-free and still be open.
Ie non-free get latest release/fixes and free gets them 1-6months later...

Anyway.. That's how i would do it... Something for something is win win :)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

yeah i really hope its ARM based product and not Intel... And if I remember correct MER has fokus on ARM toolchains?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

i just saw this:

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I for one, as I mentioned on twitter publicly, I am willing to provide any kind of expertise, or help needed pro-bono just so I can some how help the startup company that is focusing on what I like personally.

http://www.linkedin.com/pub/ashish-chapagain/1a/731/107

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Saw were? Of course this could be little more than an image shown in the default gallery, but if indeed it runs on N9, well, shut up and take my money :)

Brings me to an earlier statement, where they(?) said they can't do a release on the N9 because the N9 is Nokia's. They are wrong: the N9 I've laying here is mine, and it's me who decides which OS I want to install on it, not Nokia....

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

If their UX will be open, nothing should prevent it from being ported to N9, since Nemo is already runnable there.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

but in the same time you seem to forget that jolla also needs to make money. Means buy theyr upcoming product. Not Nokias products...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I think the community could have done so much more to polish n9 ui, and add missing or wanted features if there only was a more official and allowed ways to custom the ui. So if some parts of ui must be closed, still leave ways to add stuff more easily, like n9 stand by screen must now exploid carrier logo to show stuff.

And for the community should have a organized place to list ideas ie. for ui enhancements or feature reques, to anyone to add and which devs could pick something to work with. It could also have some vote ability too to raise important ones.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Closed UIs are a dead end. They die with companies who create them. UI should be open in order to withstand trial with time.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I joined TMO after N900 so my experience is limited, but from the info we get now, I think the Maemo 5 community model will complement Jolla's business model very very well.

First of all, app store. I don't know whether Jolla has plan for an app store. My guess is no they don't, then the Maemo download and the community QA model would become the unofficial Jolla Store. This was what Apps for Meego initiative intended to be but never became. I really like Maemo 5's QA model, users gets more engagement, developers gets more direct response, and after all OVI QA didn't prove they are more competent than community QA. I think the community should try re-use the infrastructure for Apps for Meego and build on top of that, maybe integrate it into TMO so users can do single signon for both interface. For this initiative, Jolla needs to reveal their plan for the app ecosystem as early as possible and actively collaborate with the community.

The forum (including Wiki) interface is an essential part of to build up followers. The Maemo 5 wiki was a great example for crowd-sourcing support documentation. Being the spiritual successor of Maemo, it only makes sense that Jolla take advantage of the existing M* user base on TMO. I would like to see community council approach Jolla and try selling the idea that TMO can offload support work for Jolla and act as "Jolla Store" + "Jolla Community Support" + "Jolla Developer Forum." For the traction Jolla gets, they can in return partly sponsor the forum or other activities like community device program.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You can buy software *without* hardware ;) Of course, it should provide some real benefits over stock-Harmattan, but I wouldn't have any problem spending a few dozens of euros on software which prolongs the use of the N9 with say, a year or so.

I think it's stupid to buy new hardware just to get new software, which would run just fine on the old hardware.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I don't think there is (as of today) a mobile OS that's in production with a fully open UI.

Not even Harmattan's UI is fully open.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Plasma Active is getting close to it. If not for manufacturers drivers delay, they'd be already selling the Vivaldi tablet. The UI part is production ready and fully open source.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I am ectastic and speechless. I thought we are dead since Nokia kick us out or let us die. I like to see them succeed and I will contribute if anything I can. I want to get involved. This is a WAR.

bun

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You don't have go far from maemo. As maemo-cssu includes a lot of improved and better rewritten parts from people for free. Open technology is not only better in ideological ideas, but it's faster gowning and financially better

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Trying to sell open source or nearly open source software has its limitations. I think hardware has to be their focus, but I hope we benefit from the software anyway.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's ehttp://talk.maemo.org/maemo/images/editor/menupop.gifxcellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

ftfy.......

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I don't know about that, just because Nokia never got it doesn't mean it can't be done. I bet if Maemo had been truly open it would be #1 right now and Android & iOS mere footnotes.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I could agree if vivaldi was existing for endusers but still it doesnt...

so no we cannot say its ready until we have it in our hands.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's ehttp://talk.maemo.org/maemo/images/editor/menupop.gifxcellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Closed drivers are bad, but getting open drivers seems to be much harder than getting the open UI. UI can be designed from scratch by the community. Drivers require either full hardware specs (non existent in the vast majority of cases), or reverse engineering. The second does happen, but slowly and painfully:

https://gitorious.org/freedreno/pages/Home
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3A6jnBQ2L-A

http://limadriver.org/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Bi8kT2e3f0

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's ehttp://talk.maemo.org/maemo/images/editor/menupop.gifxcellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I do find it understandable that they should want to keep their UI closed for differentiation purposes which is why I proposed:

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I suppose how the community will look will depend a lot on how a commercial end-product will look--will it be treated the way Maemo and MeeGo were treated? Particularly MeeGo where the MeeGo OS itself was very, very open.. but the end-product (in this case, Maemo's Harmattan--not even a true MeeGo) ends up even more closed-source based and locked-down than previous operating systems and hardware.

If it's just more of the same of what we've had from Nokia over the years, I sincerely doubt we'll see anything change in the community around such devices.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

i just want an OS that can multitask properly :D

also why are people so desperate to associate Nokia with this company lol

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

E7, card slot and maemergo.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's ehttp://talk.maemo.org/maemo/images/editor/menupop.gifxcellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Practice shows that it's a huge waste of effort, since these closed UIs die with the demise of the company, or if the company decides to ditch it (Harmattan is a very clear example). Only open UIs can survive these kind of things. But it's of course up to them to learn on others' errors, or on their own. Even HP understood that there is a value in fully opening webOS, otherwise it would be simply dead.

In this case Nokia didn't open up Harmattan when they decided to ditch it, only because MS fully controls what they do now. Otherwise there was every reason for them to open it up.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I hope they keep the nokia ui

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well are you going to have a mascot like Meego had those little people things?
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...-ufo-alien.jpg

The Mer project logo has a ocean/lake bubbles (unless those were deep fry bubbles?) theme/look so maybe the UI of your community website could be like how bubbles come up to the surface similar to the way when you look at the N9 and swipe the screen underneath rises towards you but you can have some other gesture that triggers the rising up to the surface like maybe hover double tap or something (I remember someone came out with a screen that detects finger hover).
Wait a second does Nokia own the swipe gesture?
How can a company own something so basic like that? It's like me going, "wait, stop, you can't turn that magazine page until you get a license from me."
OK I'm babbling. Anyways... Oh wait my glass of water is sitting in the sunlight I just poured it and I can see little bubbles from the ice cubes. The first time I saw the Mer project logo I thought of the Europa driller mission concept. Doesn't Jolla mean dingy? So you already have a water thing going on.

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No I can't. Not really.
http://i65.photobucket.com/albums/h2...ud-speaker.jpg

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The Jollamobile fan page in FB have 2 administrators from Jolla ltd. which is also updated the Jolla fanpage

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Regardless of whether it's of official interest to the Jolla folks or not, as long as they continue to support Qt and QtWebKit then Tizmee should be almost immediately portable to their platform.

I have a personal interest in all mobile platforms based around standard GNU/Linux technologies, so once there are public releases of Jolla's full platform I'll look into porting all my various projects to it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I'd be glad if they make a user on Diaspora. Not using Facebook really.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Or a website even. What's up with this twitter/linkedin/facebook thing?