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xxxxts

2012-11-13 14:06

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1293816)

That's not what anthonie said. He said it was a demo for a board meeting about capabilities of mobile devices. How better to demonstrate said capabilities than by pulling a mobile device out of his pocket?

Quote:

For my work (TD of a telecom company), during a board meeting, we were discussing the production costs of personalized audio messages on telecom products. At some point, I pulled out my phone to demonstrate the possibility of converting audio files on the fly by utilizing ffmpeg to create asterisk files. Simply using my terminal it took me a couple of minutes to create a personalized asterisk message from an audio recording I had taken during the meeting. I saved my own job during that meeting and saved the company a lot of money.

Are you reading the same post I am?

anthonie

2012-11-13 14:26

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293808)

You just proved my point, you had your laptop with you - but you just wanted to show off what you could do with your mobile device. Cool. Could it have been done if an iPhone/Android was there instead of an N900? Yes. Could it have been done quicker on your laptop? Most likely. You just wanted to show off.

I don't know; does ffmpeg for iPhone allow you to run the following from the command line?

Code:

ffmpeg -i "[original_audio]" -ar 8000 -ac 1 -acodec pcm_s16le -f s16le "[converted_audio].sln"

If so, good, but it's not the point for me. The only reason why I chose the phone over the laptop is simple; I wanted to proof that paying a lot of money for the service we were looking for was a waste of money.

To proof that, my phone not only sufficed, but actually was more convincing than if I would have used my highly customized laptop, as it showed that relatively cheap hardware with the right kind of software was able to achieve the same goals.

This proofs nothing about iOS or it's usablity or non-usability. It just proofs the N900 can be a sufficient device for some.

Why do you insist on "proper usage" while all these devices are derived from what we used to call "personal computers"?

ste-phan

2012-11-13 15:01

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293775)

I think javispedro is wrong in most of his assertions, I think mobile application quality is great, on EVERY platform; Maemo, WebOS, Android, iOS.

A great deal of people have ditched their laptop/netbook for a tablet. iPad/Android. That's a fact, you can look at the market, you can see what people are buying and not buying.

That doesn't mean laptops are out? My 2009 Macbook can last another 5 years for sure before I find it too slow.

Doing the same work on a 2012 tablet would render me mad.

The N900's ergonomics (user interface + hw keyboard availability) is best fit to to make me forget I am not using a Desktop / Laptop
Even if it lags like a 2001 Windows XP PC

I have the iPad laying next to me but it makes me just tired from just looking at it. I always grabe the N900 even for couch surrfing.

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293775)

There's so many things you can attach to an iPhone that give it such a wider range of abilities, from processing credit card transactions to a Geiger counter. And the platform your using hasn't even accomplished spellcheck yet (one of my long running criticisms of Maemo 5).

Geiger counter. Now you are talking. I am demanding a Geiger Muller tube built into telephones for many phone generations since I discovered the invisible little gifts of our atomic past and future are virtually everywhere.

Too bad, if only this guy below had targeted the right platform , he might have raised his funds.

http://www.indiegogo.com/radomo

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293775)

I never attempted to record calls on my iPhone but from my quick Google search it appears to be possible.

Don't underestimate this demand... From a quick Google search I have learned that most iOS apps have severe bugs and limitations towards business - spy grade call recording.

Keep on the debate :)

lonk	2012-11-13 15:21

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

I found this thread and saw some talk about MyPaint and I'm really surprised to see other fellow n900 users having some problems I've never really had because of a simple fix!

1. in MyPaint, go to help ---> "Change the Keyboard shortcuts?" that part says: move your mouse over a menu entry, then press the key to assign.

so for this:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wikiwide (Post 1293312)

how do I exit fullscreen, after entering it accidentally?

press view, then press the down arrow so it highlights at the fullscreen option, like this:

http://i.imgur.com/nexQ9.png

and press a key to assign a shortcut for it, now you can toggle between fullscreen and normal mode easily (I have mine set as 'm')

I have used MyPaint for more than a year now and it has served me really well, I have used a galaxy note and a 4s with a stylus and the N900 is still the best and cheapest solution for drawing in a 3-4" screen. here is why :) :

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293234)

but it can't really be used in that form factor functionally.

I know you already mentioned it is still better compared to an iphone, but I disagree that it can't be used functionally in that form factor, the n900 is actually the best form factor for a 3-4 inch screen device

I hold it like this:
http://i.imgur.com/m2MR8l.jpg

having the keyboard open is a comfortable hold and it lets me do all the things I need to do (change brush size, opacity, zoom in/out,, layer solo, and every single option in the menu) without having to get out of full screen thanks to the key shortcuts.

I have assigned all my most use functions on this side of the keyboard

http://i.imgur.com/rjMzBl.jpg

so as you can see I can effortlessly change my settings without changing the position of my drawing hand. yes, I can use multitouch with a Note or 4S to change the zoom level and pan around, but that is all, and this means constantly changing the position of my drawing hand to navigate to change size, or use a color picker, this makes a big difference in the flow and because of that can produce art much faster than the other two devices, and even faster than a ipad or note 10.1

it also has an advantage over the Note because the Note relies on a penabled stylus, if you lose it is expensive to replace, I can use any stylus or even make my own with the n900

I've made commissions using the n900 and I can resize/crop them with imagemagick and then upload the images via imgur with imgur-cli on the command line (heck, I could even upload them via FaceBook or any video screencast I made to YouTube with mailcmd :) )

so for the price I got it for (I sold the iphone 3gs my brother gave me for £180 and got my n900 on ebay for £165) it is by far the best small art mobile device I can ever get and does exactly what I need it to do, it's like a portable cintiq :) (but if you know of a better "portable cintiq" out there, do let me know)

I feel that this thread is no different than going to the openPandora forum and telling them they are wrong to get these devices because everyone has a DS or a PSP

edit: oh yea, and those drawings were quick sketches from the n900 of course :rolleyes:, i love this device!

daperl

2012-11-13 15:56

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

The OP has always been just a power user, and there's nothing wrong with that. But for him to not fully understand how excellent the n900 is, and then to use an iPhone and iOS to solidify his ignorance, is just sad. Jesus wept.

The vanilla iPhone is a dependent device; it needs an OS X machine (or an app store) to be enhanced. The n900 is a stand-alone personal computer; the link in my signature is just one reason why.

Please stop comparing apples to oranges. And insulting this community only makes you look more foolish.

adelalgomai

2012-11-13 17:29

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

brothers lonk , and daperl :
you just waste your time ... iphones users will not listen to you because they don't want to listen ... they only love apple without noticeable reason . I think apple uses the black magic to makes people love thier devices, because I don't see anything in those devices that deserve the huge amount of money I have to pay, I can't understand what the benfit of getting an iphone ?? if I have to get another phone to use apps that n900 cannot support like tango ,I will buy android phone such as galaxy or htc ,, they're not better than N900 , but very much better than I phone ..
look at the big different between the first android version and the new 4.1 android ,, there are huge differents in options and look . but iphone is just the same boring options and look since the first iphone until now ..
why I have to spend more than $500 on a device that :
- didn't send anything by bluetooth while most of others can ? even if there are apps for that , but it's not free and not working like built-in sending .
- didn't have files and folders explorer .. and no usb mass-storage ability.
- no options for video rec resolution, specially when u have little space and u need long time rec .
- no hw keyboard with useful pc shortcut like (ctrl-a ctrl-c ctrl-v ) .. there is so different between (copy-paste-select) in iphone and simple kbd shortcut in N900 .
- no free useful apps ( all good and useful always not free )
- no radio receiver or transmitter ( some 2003 or oldest phones let u listen to fm radio , but the 2012 iphone doesn't ) .
- no real desktop apps like what we have in N900 .
- no simple AV out to use in all available TV on every house .. ( Iphone has AV out but u need the special cable that only work on iphone and u can see videos only so if u close the video the TV screen stop displaying , while N900 uses cable that many other cameras and devices use , and u get full view to see menus, browser net and games. even if u boot the phone u can see boot screen in the TV .. ).

ooh My God . I'm wasting my time too ^_^ . there many things i hate in Ishit and I need long time to write about them all..
>>
what the people love in Ishit ??????
I don't know.

daperl

2012-11-13 17:49

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by adelalgomai (Post 1293875)

iphones users will not listen to you because they don't want to listen

Maybe, but he'll keep reading. He can't help himself; he's psycho. I wonder if Masterbateman here has a watermark on his iPhone. Best scene ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ux3vncNNLg

Dousan

2012-11-13 18:19

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

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you just waste your time ... iphones users will not listen to you because they don't want to listen ... they only love apple without noticeable reason

What a load of BS and for that matter you could exchange 'iPhone' with anything else you like and that equation will fitt when talking about biased fanboys. Could easily fit you @adelalgomai.

Dousan...

adelalgomai

2012-11-13 19:05

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1293882)

Maybe, but he'll keep reading. He can't help himself; he's psycho. I wonder if Masterbateman here has a watermark on his iPhone. Best scene ever:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ux3vncNNLg

this is actually the best scene that can discribe iphone and it's lovers .. iphone is just iphone since it's start until now , but it's lovers always see it different and most beatiful in each generation ,,, in my opinion , the curves in the first generation was better than new rough design . but they didn't notice that because apple spread a magic spell over them ...loool

adelalgomai

2012-11-13 19:34

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan (Post 1293887)

you are right .. I know I was fanatic .. but I said that because I used almost all kinds of phones before... I allready have nokia N73, N95, N97 , blackberry bold, htc G1 , sonyericson , htc HD , galaxy 1 , iphone 2g , iphone 4g ,samsung with windows phone , Motorolla droid 2 global and some other old phones .... comparing all of them ,,, no one can rock N900 ,, all phones are in the shelf now since I got my N900 .. I didn't use any of them except if I need to use Tango .. I really loved N900 and I hate Nokia so much cause it made the best phone ever then simply killed it ,.. can u imagine what will N900 do if nokia improved it with stronger hardwares like cpu, ram , camera ,,,etc with the same maemo operation system ???

herpderp

2012-11-13 20:06

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

People who talk like this are exactly like conspiracy theorists trying to convince you that everybody who doesn't believe their stories are just "sheeple", and have no idea about reality, when the fact is that it's them who have clouded perception.

qwazix

2012-11-13 20:29

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293807)

That's a very valid question. Sometimes they are and sometimes they are not. My N900 has traveled to the jungles of South America, Italy, Canada, and through the Rockie Mountains (no connectivity) in CO. It was not able to perform up to par. My UMPC Needed to come along.

Few reasons:

1) Lack of social networking capability - to arrange meetings and such I used Facebook (this was before a decent client was released) was not a pleasant experience on the N900. It was too expensive to make phone calls.

2) Lack of RJ45 jack - all the hotels I staid in throughout Italy primarily used RJ45 jacks.

3) Keeping updated with my friends in the states via Facebook - once again not possible.

4) Online banking, it needed to be done and doing it on the N900 over South America's WiFi was horrid.

I could go on.

For a 5 day trip in the states my iPhone servers me pretty well regardless of my WiFi situation. I am able to keep up with all my friends via every social media network there is (even the ones I don't use), keep up with news/current events (where as Maemo had just one AP News), handle my finances, shop around/navigate a foreign city using the many apps (Yelp, AroundMe, Waze, etc.) and Siri.

There's a phrase, "Where's the train?" when you look at someone who is rushing. Well many times I find myself in that situation only the train is not proverbial. I might be late for a meeting in a city I have never been to before, these are things that my N900 has failed on me before.

I would say it would be a replacement for a trip over seas but only with WiFi because data costs would be too expensive.

The things I would want to do, that requires a laptop/UMPC/dexktop would be to Photoshop some photos and review them before posting them on a larger screen before posting them, maybe fine tune videos before I upload them (I am just guessing because I don't have that much experience with video editing on the iPhone), there is no need to sync with iTunes since everything is synced with iCloud so I don't need/want to do that, maybe triple check documents I have written on Word on my PC just to make sure it came out alright since I am new to iWorks. But honestly, I think the most important thing would be to rest my eyes from staring at a 3.5" screen for so long and have that comfort of Windows 7 back with a full keyboard and mouse and my 67 tabs open.

To contrast: I couldn't upload my videos taken on my trips to YouTube or Facebook with my N900 on the go, I needed a computer to do that, I can't even remember posting photos to Facebook or not. I am also a horrible speller so spell check is a MUST for me (cannot live without).

I really can't get why people think they need all those apps. Who has a facebook app on his pc? A youtube uploader? A banking app? Do they even exist?

All those things are done through the browser. And the N900 has got a wide selection of browsers (In fact it has all of the browsers contrasting to the iPhone that has only one*). I understand that sometimes it's nicer to use twitter through an app, but it's far from a need. It's a convenience.

The big point of your post though is not that. You need to use facebook and it's a great convenience to have a great app for it. I can't tell you you are wrong. The iPhone is the best smartphone for your use. I, on the other hand don't use facebook, nor iCloud. I use svn however, and php, and ssh, and I run my personal 'Cloud' with unison. And the fact that I can do all those things easily, 5 minutes after reflash is for me as essential as it is for you to be able to talk to your facebook friends.

I can certainly understand that for an engineer on the field having mobile autocad is just awesome. (I was using an elaborate dwg2pdf conversion scheme to have the same info on the N900). If I was still working on site I would have considered having an iOS or even better a big-screen-Android device only for that.

So stop telling everybody here to abandon ship and go buy an iPhone because it's better. Highlight the merits of the device, debate for certain usages, describe your usage pattern and why it fits with the iPhone and let us tell you why ours fits with the N900 or N9. And because you wouldn't imagine somebody doing something it doesn't mean that somebody doesn't. And here in maemo.org, because of the nature of the N900, you'll find a very high percentage of these people who were filtered here from other platforms.

* All browsers on the iPhone use the safari rendering engine. Rearranging the address bar doesn't make chrome a different browser. Opera mini is not a full browser

xxxxts

2012-11-13 21:55

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 1293937)

How are you still not getting this?

With a PC you have a full 12"- display, at least 1600x900 pixels, you have a real full keyboard, a mouse with 3 (sometimes more) buttons. You also have a lot more processing power. Most PC's are at least quad core 2GHz+ with much more and much faster RAM. When you compare that to the new iPhone 5 with 640 x 1136 4" display, dual core 1.3GHz [ARM] processor, and 1GB of ram. You can't seriously think that it will perform the same way a PC does, and even if it did - the form factor does not lend it's self to the "web browser" format. I don't think anyone will claim it is easier to go on the full Facebook website on any mobile device than to use a properly made client.

There is also Atomic Web Browser for iOS which is neat.

adelalgomai

2012-11-13 22:12

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293959)

How are you still not getting this?

I don't think anyone will claim it is easier to go on the full Facebook website on any mobile device than to use a properly made client.

There is also Atomic Web Browser for iOS which is neat.

Sorry , but you are wrong at this point ... it's much more easier and faster to use full site facebook than the little apps .. and that's one of the most important thing that I noticed and loved in N900 .. even youtube download apps in iphone , we don't need them all... in N900 , u can see the video in the browser itself ,, and wait until the video finished then simply go to temp folder and copy the video to another place and it's done ... you never ever can compare the poor browser in iphone with full desktop browser in Maemo N900 .

anonymous

2012-11-13 23:25

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

You guys are nuts. These things are just tools.

daperl

2012-11-13 23:53

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by anonymous (Post 1293989)

you guys are tools. These things are just nuts.

..........

Kangal

2012-11-13 23:55

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Lol

tencharmanders

GrimyHR

2012-11-14 09:15

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293814)

Okay, first off no need for name calling

iFile = MC on iOS
Paros = wireshark on iOS.

I don't know much about WiFi cracking so research metasploit, photorec, and aircrack-ng. (all can be had on iOS)

iPhone default media player > mplayer on a mobile device. The iPhone was made due to the iPod.

I've also been around the Maemo community a VERY long time (I don't belong to any Apple/iPhone/iOS communities) to see the question asked so many times, "Is there anyway to get that on the N900?" That Android WiFi cracking program comes to mind.

lol, ifile is like midnight commander? you must be joking, its barely like filebox but much more bloated
paros? again that is a DESKTOP application that works on mobile phones, you are just proving my point
again, it doesnt matter what is or isnt available on the ios, those are DESKTOP applications, you are just proving the point that desktop applications on mobile phones are better than mobile ones

oh, and last time i checked, aircrack was worthless on ios since you couldnt put your wifi in monitor mode, so you dont have aircrack on ios

and another thing, rj45 adapters work just fine on n900

ste-phan

2012-11-14 10:35

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by adelalgomai (Post 1293912)

can u imagine what will N900 do if nokia improved it with stronger hardwares like cpu, ram , camera ,,,etc with the same maemo operation system ???

Yes, it would virtually last forever and devices like that would end up only to be replaced every 5 years.

Go explain that to the shareholders.

Obsolescence by design by Nokia (but with excellent Nokia build quality.)

qwazix

2012-11-15 07:04

Re: iPhone 4S (iOS 5.1.1): A look back at the N900

Quote:

Originally Posted by xxxxts (Post 1293959)

You probably didn't read my post. I said I dont get why people think they **need** those apps. Better performance is a convenience, not a need.

And in the end I can visit websites just fine on my original eee, I can't see how a phone suddenly became too slow for displaying websites.

finally macbook air 2011 vs gNote (2011)

1366*768 vs 1280*800
1.6Ghz dual core vs 1.5Gz dual core
2gb ram vs 1gb
none vs array of sensors

Not so far away. What is more powerful? The mac, because it can run desktop apps.
Even a docked Note vs a 2007 laptop the laptop wins. And that's a shame.

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