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N9uwu 2013-09-29 10:27
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thoke (Post 1377527)
PS: I think only the OS needs to be open source for the verification of it being spying-free. UI can be closed source.
While I like the idea of an OS like that, please keep in mind that it is the traffic from and to the phone that is being spied on. So yes it is a good starting point (and selling point for jolla), but I doubt that it would stop anyone (you know who) from spying on you - not without strong crypto for everything.

zimon 2013-09-29 10:52
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Quote:
Originally Posted by N9uwu (Post 1377537)
not without strong crypto for everything.
There is no such thing as "closed source strong crypto". Just think Microsoft. I assume, even using PGP (GnuPG) in MS Windows may be pointless.

Lumiaman 2013-09-29 13:57
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There will be no Jolla device. This is not a serious organization.

soryuuha 2013-09-29 14:10
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1377565)
There will be no Jolla device. This is not a serious organization.
the lleader had spoken. move along sailors.

DeeGee 2013-09-29 14:44
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
In other news, Chairman of Jolla showed first pictures taken with (the nonexistent) Jolla on his twitter. :)

Hard to say anything of the picture quality, doesn't look anything special.
https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/sta...17988121223168
https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/sta...20062061961217

tanago 2013-09-29 14:47
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by soryuuha (Post 1377570)
the lleader had spoken. move along sailors.
The leader of the dumbest...just a hater with a lumia

mikecomputing 2013-09-29 15:01
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeGee (Post 1377576)
In other news, Chairman of Jolla showed first pictures taken with (the nonexistent) Jolla on his twitter. :)

Hard to say anything of the picture quality, doesn't look anything special.
https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/sta...17988121223168
https://twitter.com/AnttiSaarnio/sta...20062061961217
Atleast a start. Hope they deliver alot more.

Quote:
Originally Posted by soryuuha (Post 1377570)
the lleader had spoken. Move along sa
ilors.
and
Quote:
Originally Posted by tanago (Post 1377577)
The leader of the dumbest...just a hater with a lumia

Don't feed him

biatch0 2013-09-30 15:05
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1377478)
there is no next device if they dont sell > 500 000
That's the entire point of my post. I'm still buying the Jolla device even though the specs aren't bleeding edge (none of the other Maemo/MeeGo devices ever were bleeding edge come to think of it) - because I want to help them reach that (arbitrary) 500,000 goal to make the next device(s) possible.

mrsellout 2013-09-30 16:08
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Re: App store
from their Diaspora account

Quote:
Jolla

We will have our own app store, making both Sailfish and Android apps available through it. More info to follow. Thanks!

almamo 2013-09-30 17:07
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Not sure if already mentioned somewhere. But seems that Jolla updated their website again and added more infos about the device.

http://jolla.com/your-jolla/ --> second "scroll-down page".

tanago 2013-09-30 18:47
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by almamo (Post 1377823)
Not sure if already mentioned somewhere. But seems that Jolla updated their website again and added more infos about the device.

http://jolla.com/your-jolla/ --> second "scroll-down page".
Could you post that new info because MicroB is unable to scroll in this page..............................

DeeGee 2013-09-30 18:51
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http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=1180

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeGee
The specs on Jolla.com got updated.

Qualcomm Snapdragon™ Dual Core 1.4GHz
GSM/3G/4G LTE* (works in 6 continents)
16GB storage, 1GB RAM, MicroSD slot
Ample 4.5" IPS qHD (960x540) display
6-point multi-touch with Gorilla 2™ Glass
8MP AF camera with LED flash and 2MP front-facing camera

WLAN802.11 b/g/n 2.4GHz, Bluetooth 4.0 EDR HS, AGPS & GLONASS, USB2.0 HS.
Extension interfaces for wireless NFC, power in/out and I2C data connectivity.
Proximity, accelerometer, gyro, e-compass and ambient light sensors.
Standard 3.5mm 4-pin audio jack, Micro SIM, standard MicroUSB connectivity and charging.
RGB indicator LED and dual-microphone for noise cancellation.
Talk & stand-by time (approx.): 7.7/5.5hrs (GSM/3G) & 500hrs.
User-replaceable battery (2100mAh, 3.8V, 7.98Wh).
Dimensions (approx.): H131 x W68 x D9.9 mm, weight 141g.

Mikkosssss 2013-09-30 18:52
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Check another Jolla thread. :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by DeeGee (Post 1377824)
Fullspecs
Edit: Deegee was faster with same quote. :D

chilango 2013-09-30 18:59
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Ufff,
i hoped that with lower hardware the battery-time will be longer but its less then my loved N9 in the specifications.

So where ist the benefit? Lower Screen resolution, lower CPU but also lower battery lifetime.
So please Jolla y like to buy my pre-ordered jolla with the other half - bigger Battery.

mikecomputing 2013-09-30 19:00
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by almamo (Post 1377823)
Not sure if already mentioned somewhere. But seems that Jolla updated their website again and added more infos about the device.

http://jolla.com/your-jolla/ --> second "scroll-down page".
I am suprised people has not yet cried about this:

Dimensions (approx.): H131 x W68 x D9.9 mm, weight 141g.

jiipee 2013-09-30 19:06
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Talk times seem quite short unless they are realistic vs hypothetical with others. Stand-by is ok:

Jolla:
Talk & stand-by time (approx.): 7.7/5.5hrs (GSM/3G) & 500hrs.

N9 (gsmarena)
Stand-by Up to 380 h (2G) / Up to 450 h (3G)
Talk time Up to 11 h (2G) / Up to 7 h (3G)

Lumia 720 (gsmarena)
Stand-by (2G) / Up to 520 h (3G)
Talk time Up to 23 h 20 min (2G) / Up to 13 h 20 min (3G)

Silwer 2013-09-30 19:07
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
It was clear already from the photos that it is a 10mm thick device. However, maximum thickness of Nokia N9 is 12,1mm, so it is not so bad.

Edited:
Nokia Lumia 920 that has also 4,5 inch screen has following spec:
Dimensions 130.3 x 70.8 x 10.7 mm, 99 cc (5.13 x 2.79 x 0.42 in)
Weight 185 g

chilango 2013-09-30 19:50
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
For me, make it 15 mm thick for more lifetime

mikecomputing 2013-09-30 19:51
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Silwer (Post 1377859)
It was clear already from the photos that it is a 10mm thick device. However, maximum thickness of Nokia N9 is 12,1mm, so it is not so bad.

Edited:
Nokia Lumia 920 that has also 4,5 inch screen has following spec:
Dimensions 130.3 x 70.8 x 10.7 mm, 99 cc (5.13 x 2.79 x 0.42 in)
Weight 185 g
Yes, but lumia has better camera so not comparable. However after some check what my N9 is I realized Jolla is thinner.

But question is if its with or without OTH...

shmerl 2013-09-30 19:59
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Quote:
GSM/3G/4G LTE (works in 6 continents)
Hm. So it means works in literally all LTE networks? That's really great.

mikecomputing 2013-09-30 20:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1377875)
Hm. So it means works in literally all LTE networks? That's really great.
No it still says more info what countrys... will be avaible later...

shmerl 2013-09-30 20:56
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"Standard microUSB" means microUSB-B or more proper microUSB-A?

Morpog 2013-09-30 21:10
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micro usb a would be insane, given that every charger accessory out there is for micro usb b.

shmerl 2013-09-30 21:16
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May be. I usually charge my devices from PC anyway :)

microUSB-A makes sense to allow using standard cables for host mode.

qwazix 2013-09-30 21:26
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I don't think there is such thing as micro usb a ports. There is a micro usb ab though (N810, E7) that works fine for charging with μUSB B cables and also works for host mode with μUSB A plugs.

shmerl 2013-09-30 21:33
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Yes, they are usually AB combined. I meant that.

cvp 2013-10-01 07:27
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by chilango (Post 1377866)
For me, make it 15 mm thick for more lifetime
no Problem.... buy a Motorola RAZR Maxx Akku with 3300mAh and put it in a Other-half Backcover and than you have 5400mAh :)

pichlo 2013-10-01 08:05
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1377521)
I'm having 3GB now. 2GB is midrange...
Until 2 weeks ago, my main PC was a laptop with 1GB RAM. The only reason for an upgrade was that I ran out of disk space and could not buy a bigger IDE disk to fit in it. I have never used swap and never felt like 1GB was not enough. So all this talk about 2GB - or even 1GB - on what is by design a secondary device at best being "not enough" or "mid range" sounds like a mindless rant to me.

zimon 2013-10-01 08:12
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cvp (Post 1377959)
no Problem.... buy a Motorola RAZR Maxx Akku with 3300mAh and put it in a Other-half Backcover and than you have 5400mAh :)
Rather make +7000 mAh Otherhalf:
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/04...d-its-only-34/

tanago 2013-10-01 08:34
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1377967)
Until 2 weeks ago, my main PC was a laptop with 1GB RAM. The only reason for an upgrade was that I ran out of disk space and could not buy a bigger IDE disk to fit in it. I have never used swap and never felt like 1GB was not enough. So all this talk about 2GB - or even 1GB - on what is by design a secondary device at best being "not enough" or "mid range" sounds like a mindless rant to me.
True story, some colleagues call me to reinstall/repair their PCs and some of them have 256 or 512 MB RAM PCs AND they have never complained about RAM. I dont understand what is that complaining about 1 GB RAM on a MOBILE DEVICE. What will you do on it? Play GTA V? Use Pinnacle Studio? Maybe Photoshop RAW images?

NO, Im sure you cant do those things that really need LOTS of RAM. Android needs such device because of its memory leaks, bad optimization, blah blah... Just hope for a good OS, if so 1 GB will be completely enough for it. Forget about 2GB & quad/hexa-core on a mobile device

almamo 2013-10-01 09:42
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tanago (Post 1377976)
True story, some colleagues call me to reinstall/repair their PCs and some of them have 256 or 512 MB RAM PCs AND they have never complained about RAM. I dont understand what is that complaining about 1 GB RAM on a MOBILE DEVICE. What will you do on it? Play GTA V? Use Pinnacle Studio? Maybe Photoshop RAW images?

NO, Im sure you cant do those things that really need LOTS of RAM. Android needs such device because of its memory leaks, bad optimization, blah blah... Just hope for a good OS, if so 1 GB will be completely enough for it. Forget about 2GB & quad/hexa-core on a mobile device
Agree on that. At home I use an old 2006 Mac Mini with 2Gb Ram (originally 1Gb). The system runs perfectly with Ubuntu 13.04, incl. heavy multi-tasking - no problems at all. But my MacBook (late 2011 model) runs OSX 10.8 with 4Gb - forget about good performances. It's slow and laggy as soon as I do some real work on it and have several programs running. So there's a problem with the software, not hardware...

So if Sailfish OS is done well (not like OSX for example) I really don't see a problem with the given specifications. I trust Jolla: They do their job with a certain passion for the product. I don't believe they would sell a phone they weren't enthusiastic about.

zapotek 2013-10-01 10:53
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nice video for i2c bus http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BcWixZcZ6JY

Lumiaman 2013-10-01 12:29
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I would like to see how Sailfish performs on commonly used task:

1. Texting: how is predictive text, how is keyboard, does it come close to iphones? N9 was not on par with competition.

2. Email: does it sync with corporate email, how well is is threaded. N9 crashed all the time with my large inbox.

3. Calendar: will it sync flawlessly with corporate accounts.

The UI is intriguing, but if it fails the simple and commonly used tasks, as N9 unfortunately failed at, then Jolla is history.

latency 2013-10-01 12:39
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1378011)
I would like to see how Sailfish performs on commonly used task:

1. Texting: how is predictive text, how is keyboard, does it come close to iphones? N9 was not on par with competition.

2. Email: does it sync with corporate email, how well is is threaded. N9 crashed all the time with my large inbox.

3. Calendar: will it sync flawlessly with corporate accounts.

The UI is intriguing, but if it fails the simple and commonly used tasks, as N9 unfortunately failed at, then Jolla is history.
I have to agree on that one. Hopefully Sailfish is more polished out of the box in those areas. It doesn't take a quad core or a lot of RAM to manage those tasks either way.

Rauha 2013-10-01 13:11
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There is some rumours / speculation about Rovio making Angry Birds other half in one finnish paper.

http://www.iltasanomat.fi/digi/art-1288604858538.html

Rovio gives the usual "No comment" comment, ie. not denying or confirming.

youmeego 2013-10-01 13:39
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angry birds is an old game

requiem_76 2013-10-01 14:57
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Ghst & goblins is an old game too, but I don't care.
Do't mix personal point of view with the "point" : the O.S.
I,personally, don't care about gaiming in a miniminimini tv screen.
(i'm already nearsighted!!!!)

youmeego 2013-10-01 15:07
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
does Jolla have FM radio?Dolby Digital Plus

nokiac 2013-10-01 18:35
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
5Ghz is missing for wifi and no FM radio :( .

I dont mind the 1GB RAM, it seems enough. But 5GHz wifi is a good plus going forward as 2.4Ghz band gets congested in apartment buildings.

benny1967 2013-10-01 18:43
Re: Official specs of Jolla phone surface
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by youmeego (Post 1378024)
angry birds is an old game
... and you'd be the first one to complain should it be missing.


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