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am sure Jolla can simply link a user to an ext4 driver for windows.

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I always wondered why I need to sign both sides of the withdrawal slip at the bank. In case they lose one side, they would still have the other?

What good is it to you to have your precious data on the card when you lose it together with the phone (or tablet)? ;)

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Yeah... an extra tool called CMD ;)

The artificial 32GB FAT32 limit is the Windows Explorer limit only, it does not apply in the command line.

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Wouldn't it just show up on a Windows system anyway as long as it's inserted into the tablet and the tablet inserted into the computer? At least, I thought that was the entire point of MTP, being filesystem agnostic. (But I'm no expert so I may be completely wrong.)

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I didn't remember that fat32 supports more than 32 GB (I even bought several hard drives pre-formatted with FAT32)... anyway I know about the 4 GB filesize limit, and that can be quite annoying at times.

I would suggest anyway to also support UDF formatted 128GB microsd cards; can be formatted under windows with cmd, is cross compatible with other OSes, and doesn't have the 4 GB filesize limit.

If you agree, please upvote here:
https://together.jolla.com/question/...sd-filesystem/

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Really ? I deeply disagree. Let's compare the prices :
- iPad Mini 3 (2014) : US$399 (16GB), US$499 (64GB), 128GB (US$599). Option for Wifi+3G cost US$130 more;
- iPad Mini 2 (2013) : US$299 (16GB), US$349 (32GB). Option for Wifi+3G cost US$130 more;
- iPad Mini (2012) : US$249 (16GB). Option for Wifi+3G cost US$130 more;
- Jolla Tablet : US$189-219 (32GB, from 19/11/2014 to today), US$249 (64GB);

So Jolla Tablet with 32GB (US$219) costs US$30 less than iPad Mini 16GB, US$130 less than iPad Mini 2 32GB, US$180 less than iPad Mini 3 16GB. Jolla Tablet with 64GB (US$249) costs US$250 less than iPad Mini 3 64GB, i.e., half the price.

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Please add a 3g perk.

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Maybe it can still be achieved if the 2.5M$ threshold is reached? It may need some clarification from Jolla.

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Dave999 + mikelima

no chance. It's definitely 100% the final hardware. There is nothing changed.

Perhaps when the next Jolla tablet 2 comes out :)

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Great stats, I applaud your effort, but it was a light hearted joke..

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That is such and complete disappointment if true. Jolla will reach 2.5 M and would do it even faster with 3g. They should open that option. The tablet would go from something that will collect dust to something useful. Or i might Simply returen it.

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Dave999
We had last year a chance to 3G. But the development of a product must have an end. The devices have to now be mass produced so the date can be met in May 2015.
Therefore, even a finely cut was made and added some improvement.
no company can send up to the last moment developing and valid for 1 month to the buyers.

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Same here though I'm using a Mac and an Olympus camera with exFAT cards.

And no, FAT32 is simply not acceptable.

I'd be disappointed that they'd listened to the Linux fundamentalists instead of the 95% who don't use Linux if I hadn't already decided to sit the tablet beta out.

I bought a Sony Z3 compact tablet instead as I need something reliable for a month long cycle tour. It being waterproof, supporting my camera and having loads of mapping software to choose from easily swung that decision.

I really can't work Jolla out though now. On the one hand they're saying that not supporting ExFAT is in line with their open ethos and on the other we've still not got a working CalDAV or a working CardDAV implementation. Instead we're syncing through fricking Google and Microsoft. They need to walk the walk.

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Yes, but they could open the option when 2.5 is reached a 3G version could be shiped 4 month later. And ship this basic version in may. That would triggar the community to help spredding the Word more laud and faster.

Also gps seems to have dissapeard since last year. What about gps/glonass? That toghter With 3G is a killer combination called navigation.

With some work from jolla toghter With community we would easly reach 2.5 in 2 weeks.

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I agree, you're absolutely right. I have no idea why Jolla didn't simply look at the current market, examine what other companies are building, and simply copy every single design decision made by the most popular tablet builders. Their best bet would have been to create a tablet absolutely identical to an iPad, or at least a Samsung Galaxy or the like. Just what are they thinking, trying to make their own design decisions for their own reasons? Ridiculous!

Exactly! If Jolla's first experimental device isn't as reliable and functional as those on the market today that have already gone through several generations of design and improvements, I'm going to be really really mad. ;)

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You can use some software to read/write EXT2/3/4 formats on every OS and no stupid size limits!

I think EXT2/3/4 was really good dissension! No money to M$ for using some formats!

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Can't believe people around here are so short sighted. Yes, I can, but 95% cannot and I can't understand why they should.
Jolla can't profit from Linux geeks only.

EDIT: I could imagine a scenario where it would work:

When formatting the card in Jolla, it would create a small FAT partition with either Jolla Suite that would include EXT4 drivers for Windows, or just the driver. The installation dialog would pop up whenever you'd connect the card/tablet to the computer and check for the driver's presence was unsuccessful.
But how it is with the stability of these drivers?

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i think its moooore less from 95% :)
we creat a how to for windows / MAC user in different lang and good is.

for me its fine. I use linux and i will post in german lang a how to on my website :)

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I'm really happy that Jolla decided to drop the useless-to-me exfat licencing scheme and went for larger battery and option for extending the internal drive size. $25 is really good bargain for 32GB->64GB extension. Compare that for example to the price difference in the N9 vrsions having 16GB and 64GB...

Thanks! :)

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So that was it. I don't trust them any more. I paid for a stretch goal to achieve standard-compliant SD-support >32GB. (For non-standard solutions like Ext4, no stretch goal would have been needed. They work already, many people use them today on their Jolla phones.)

Can somebody please tell me what my money was used for? Certainly not for the advertised goal. So what reason would I have to trust them with this new campaign? You pay for an alleged 64GB version, and in 2 months they decide that the whole thing got a re-design again and doesn't need that much memory any more because of whatever clever software design trick. You paid for 64GB on Indiegogo? No money back, sorry.

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It seems that there is no direct way to refund money via IndieGoGo; however, you will be able to return the tablet to Jolla within 14 days of receiving it: https://together.jolla.com/question/...ge-and-refund/

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I'm assuming this is a bit of tounge-in-cheek, but that is a problem, once they announced the goal and it was achieved, you will find people who were actually looking forward to it and less vocal than the minority that went with 'linux/FOSS/... is better than usability'. Just another example of 'can't make everyone happy', lets hope they have some simple solution prepared for people who would like their tablet to be able to accept all kinds of cards, without going into world-view disputes

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Add to that, I paid for 3G that was never on the table like ubuntu edge which was refunded in full. Instead two fake stretch goals. I want my money back and buy a$200 kebab instead.

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Did anybody investigate what would it take to enable exfat support "unofficially" ? There is at least one GPLed exfat driver and while I understand why Jolla might not be able/willing to ship it themselves, that does not mean users can't do that themselves.

From a cursory look it appears to be quite easy to do:

On Fedora, Mageia and ArchLinux
How To Install exFAT-utils on Fedora 20/19/18/17, Mageia 4 And Arch Linux

exfat-fuse RPM on RPM Fusion

On Ubuntu
How to get a drive formatted with exfat working?
How to enable exFAT in Ubuntu 14.04

That would enable interoperability for users able & willing to do the needed change on their own, without Jolla a substantial sum of money for what basically amounts to a tiny additional "supports SDXC" sticker on the box with the tablet.

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What about reading :
https://jolla.com/tablet
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/j...ourced-tablet/
both cite "GPS - Yes, support Glonass".

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It's not.

It's not that simple. It's not just another example of 'can't make everyone happy'. They effectively withdrew a strech goal after it was reached and after people paid for it, keeping the money. They might as well cancel the whole tablet (which was the first goal). That's the risk of crowd funding, I'm aware of that, but that's not the point. The point is they announced something and canceled it after they had the money. This has nothing to do with keeping everyone happy.

This is also why further technical discussions about solutions to achieve half-legal SDXC-compatibility are off topic here. I have exFAT on my GNU/Linux desktop computer, so there should be a way to get in running on a GNU/Linux tablet. (I even think I saw it in one of the repositories once.) The technical solution doesn't affect the moral debacle, though.

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To be fair, you didn't pay for a stretch goal, you paid for a tablet. Said stretch goal also never mentioned anything about using a specific kind of filesystem format:
When that goal was reached, a poll was made on TJC, where reaction to a proprietary filesystem was lukewarm at best.

This is not to say that that stretch goal wasn't silly from the beginning.

However, again, as long as the SD card remains inside the tablet, you never, ever, need to worry about which filesystem the SD card uses (and why would you take out the SD card anyway, it's so small it would get lost immediately). It's the one good thing about MTP. If someone has an OS that doesn't have proper support for MTP, maybe they should consider switching to something that isn't ten years old.

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:(

Yeah, why I think it is 'can't make...' is that we should be getting a lot of 'HURRAHs' from the loud ones, don't see that much sadly in tjc, usually unhappy ones are vocal (pretty sure know of one person who would in normal circumstances applaud this decision, but based on personal vendetta will probably just use it to tell people 'Jolla LIES'). Yeah, the 'we listen to community, while goals are already being achieved' was a bad idea, will just give ammo. Still, if it is software only and one click solution from openrepos will enable sdxc, hopefully there will be not a lot of bad blood

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The decision to drop exfat is most unfortunate from compatibility point of view. I'm afraid it will have negative impact on adoption rate because average user will not be convinced just by saying "oh, you don't have to pay for Microsoft!!" Hopefully our foss-fanatics are happy now that we can have our own, incompatible geek-way to annoy average users, so we can express some creativity in explaining why it's good thing. Luckily, SDXC is not that common yet, so it might take some time before serious issues arise - but be assured, this decision will definitely not receive any understanding or mercy in hands of reviewers.

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It's says nowhere that 2,5 3G stretch goal got an end date. So I guess we are still in business.

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Actually, I didn't even pay for a tablet. I just donated money and hope(d) for the best. Indiegogo isn't a webshop.

At the time when it all happened, I trusted Jolla, though. And I thought that when they'd announce something, I could rely on it.

No, because

1. µSD SD > 32Gb by definition is SDXC+exFAT and
2. any experimental btrfs/ext4/...-filesystem on SD-cards is already supported on SailfishOS and doesn't need more funding for either development or licensing.

The poll was useless after the goal was reached because the goal was reached. Also, given the thousands of supporters for the tablet, the number of votes on any of the suggestions in said thread can be safely ignored. Even after having said that: Of the three most popular answers in this poll, two support exFAT.


Why have removable storage if you don't remove it? The whole point of the SD card is to get swapped from one device to another.

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In 27/11/2014 Jolla Tablet campaign said :
So the stretch goal was to support 128GB microSD.

Now Jolla Tablet Indiegogo site says :
I.e., microSD up to 128GB will be supported by Jolla Tablet (not just 32GB as before), but not using exFAT from Microsoft license. I suppose there will be an easy-to-use format option in Sailfish 2.0 Settings with FAT32 (up to 32GB microSD), EXT4 and/or BTRFS (for any microSD size). Currently, to format a microSD in Sailfish it is needed to use CLI commands :
https://together.jolla.com/question/...icrosdxc-card/

So Jolla listened to the community open-source wishes, discussed here, in TJC, etc.

You are mixing stretch goal with perk. When you perk you select a product in some configuration, like Jolla Tablet with 64GB.

Anyway, the microSD 128GB stretch goal will be honored. But not using exFAT.

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The best and (as I see it) most matching comment to that TJC debacle!

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If FOSDEM is gonna look like this, I swear I'll pull my exFAT 128GB card from my camera

http://i.imgur.com/8tzB6uX.png

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No, you haven't payed for 3G, you have not selected a Jolla Tablet perk with 3G, because there wasn't that option. There was a strech goal of US$2.5 million to have 3G, i.e., if reached, there would be additional perks with Jolla Tablet 3G and to include 3G capability to previous Jolla Tablet perks. Like Jolla Tablet 32GB->64GB costing US$25.

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Personally, couldn't care less about the 3g. Tethering (using LTE here) is fine as I carry my phone with me all the time anyways. Plus I would have to pay extra to carrier to get the 3g for the tablet. Also glad the extra memory option is being made available. Also good with ext4. I'm happy.

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There seems to be a misunderstanding. I am not an engineer, nor have I ever disassembled SD-cards and -slots, so I might still be wrong. But: From all I read on the web, SDHC cards (up to 32GB) and SDXC cards (above 32GB) are electronically identical and differ only in the file system used.

So if the original tablet concept included a µSD-slot that was capable of handling cards up to 32GB, it was already capable of handling cards up to 128GB without any further change - as long as those cards didn't comply to the standards and specifications and weren't formated as exFAT.

So it is my understanding (and I'd really be happy to be proven wrong) that when you write "not just 32GB as before", it's just not true. It was always more than 32GB. Even the Jolla phone can handle cards above 32GB with file systems other than exFAT.

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Well, £15 for an extra 32gb and a bit more battery life ain't that bad, I guess? Does seem like this might be the start of an installment plan, some of us have already bought the case as an extra.