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gerbick 2007-09-09 23:31
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 74412)
Not moot at all.
WRONG. You said something about how you had to look at the Apple iPod Touch in order to use it.

Are you honestly saying that you don't have to look at an internet tablet!?

Your statement about that was moot. You have to look at both of them. It's that simple. I don't see why you can't grasp that.

Bringing up random points about things that are actually similar in the both of them is quite a stupid endeavor. I don't care who you know, what you know... read what I'm saying in the simple English I'm using above.

You touch the touchscreen on the iPod Touch. You use a stylus or you touch the touchscreen on the Nokia internet tablet.

At the base of that comparison, it's the very same darn thing. I triple dog dare you to say otherwise. Nokia's claim in this whole thread has been the screen... which is also a touch screen.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TexRat
Bingo. I can't wait until all of these Touches are out in the wild and people realize they have to LOOK at the screen to see where they're at.

Give me the wheels, buttons and other hardware doodads, thanks.
That's what you said. If you want wheels, buttons and other hardware doodads, then even the Nokia internet tablet is wrong for you. It has a touch screen... right?

And since you seem to think that you've stated the same thing over and over, here's the problem.

I have a Nokia 770. It's my second one. I'm happy with it.

Nokia could have had a better product out by now instead of having it compared foolishly to the Apple iPod Touch. A properly placed product would not have to endure stupid comparisons as such. I didn't see UMPC comparisons to the iPod Touch... do you?

No. Because the UMPC is an understood product. Nokia released this out into the world and the hackers, early adopters, and other esoteric and notoriously closed groups that don't communicate to the rest of the non-technical world all too well, as the group(s) that would explain what the Nokia internet tablet truly was.

And the communication department/definition of what an internet tablet is quite honestly a failure. I'd say that it's almost relegated to early adopter Linux scoffery in most cases - if you remember that. Simply put, either you know what it is... or you don't. And that's just very sad for the Nokia products. They're wonderful to me. The iPod Touch is a totally different sector.

Again, it's all laid out in plain English. Don't twist my words for some other agenda.

Quote:
Nokia is not going to roll over and die for Apple, folks.
I've never suggested that. I just hope that Nokia makes up for the wasted time between the Nokia N800 and the iPod Touch. They could have properly defined a segment and they didn't. People want a PDA, or they want a iPod with wifi/bluetooth, or they seem to want a Linux handheld that's so entirely hackable that they can make it into a laptop replacement... and it could have been more definite than it is right now.

That's my take, flame/destroy/misunderstand as you wish. Simple English was utilized. Promise :)

Texrat 2007-09-10 00:34
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 74431)
WRONG. You said something about how you had to look at the Apple iPod Touch in order to use it.

Are you honestly saying that you don't have to look at an internet tablet!?

Your statement about that was moot. You have to look at both of them. It's that simple. I don't see why you can't grasp that.

Bringing up random points about things that are actually similar in the both of them is quite a stupid endeavor. I don't care who you know, what you know... read what I'm saying in the simple English I'm using above.

You touch the touchscreen on the iPod Touch. You use a stylus or you touch the touchscreen on the Nokia internet tablet.

At the base of that comparison, it's the very same darn thing. I triple dog dare you to say otherwise. Nokia's claim in this whole thread has been the screen... which is also a touch screen.


That's what you said. If you want wheels, buttons and other hardware doodads, then even the Nokia internet tablet is wrong for you. It has a touch screen... right?

And since you seem to think that you've stated the same thing over and over, here's the problem.

I have a Nokia 770. It's my second one. I'm happy with it.

Nokia could have had a better product out by now instead of having it compared foolishly to the Apple iPod Touch. A properly placed product would not have to endure stupid comparisons as such. I didn't see UMPC comparisons to the iPod Touch... do you?

No. Because the UMPC is an understood product. Nokia released this out into the world and the hackers, early adopters, and other esoteric and notoriously closed groups that don't communicate to the rest of the non-technical world all too well, as the group(s) that would explain what the Nokia internet tablet truly was.

And the communication department/definition of what an internet tablet is quite honestly a failure. I'd say that it's almost relegated to early adopter Linux scoffery in most cases - if you remember that. Simply put, either you know what it is... or you don't. And that's just very sad for the Nokia products. They're wonderful to me. The iPod Touch is a totally different sector.

Again, it's all laid out in plain English. Don't twist my words for some other agenda.


I've never suggested that. I just hope that Nokia makes up for the wasted time between the Nokia N800 and the iPod Touch. They could have properly defined a segment and they didn't. People want a PDA, or they want a iPod with wifi/bluetooth, or they seem to want a Linux handheld that's so entirely hackable that they can make it into a laptop replacement... and it could have been more definite than it is right now.

That's my take, flame/destroy/misunderstand as you wish. Simple English was utilized. Promise :)
Holy cow what a disingenuous load. Ironic too. Oh, except for the "The iPod Touch is a totally different sector" part. Nice work on that one.

Again, I believe I've explained my arguments well enough up to this point, and they're readily available in this and 1 or 2 other threads. I'm not gonna further waste my time or yours dancing with any axles. You are entitled to your assessment just as I am entitled to mine. I don't feel any overwhelming desire to disabuse anyone of their notions, however misguided or context-ignorant they may be... I was simply trying to introduce balance to a ridiculously lopsided "debate". If I failed, oh well. It's just the Internet. :D

gerbick 2007-09-10 00:46
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Disingenuous? You're either delusional or regard yourself too highly.

I'll be simple. I said it in the beginning, I've repeated it, and I'm doing it one last time here.

iPod Touch != Nokia 770/N800

It's that simple. I'm not even arguing with you. However you pulled out the whole "touchscreens have to be looked at" and that's quite possibly the most inane thing I've ever read.

Touchscreens have to be looked at to be used. Seriously... who didn't know that?

There's no need for balance in a non-debate to begin with. But your point about the touchscreens was about as moot as saying that a phone makes phone calls.

Texrat 2007-09-10 00:57
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
The discussion here has been larger than your contributions, gerbick, and mine. I have been taking that into consideration.

As for the "touchscreens have to be looked at to be used", such an obvious yet simultaneously inane statement completely ignores the context of my related comments. I just don't see any sense in continuing to explain that given your stubborn resistance to considering someone else's viewpoint. You can call that chickening out if it boosts your ego. :D

Speaking of which, if you're simply looking for a win in an important internet argument, then here it is: you win. Ain't I sweet?

gerbick 2007-09-10 01:08
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Yay. I won the Special Olympics.

Shrugs. Oh well. Per usual, scoffery wins and my patience loses. Stating the obvious is a waste of time. Real life or online. Continue with the display of massive misunderstanding.

Texrat 2007-09-10 01:09
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
There's just no gratitude any more.

gerbick 2007-09-10 01:20
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
And hopefully a non-debate ends.

Back to my whole original point. The two are in separate sectors.

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
...but it seems like the pending commercial success of the iPod Touch - a different machine with a different purpose than the Nokia 770/N800 - but it seems like it could be a sales hit that the Nokia team would love to have.
As it stands, perhaps this will push the N800 successor to be something more commercial and widely accepted.

With that said... let's wait and see.

iball 2007-09-10 01:34
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Odd....I can adjust the volume and pause music on my N800 without having to look at it.
Can that be done on the iPhone/Touch?
I can even stop, start, pause, jump tracks, and answer phone calls on my N95 while it sits in my pocket all using my MotorolaS9 A2DP headset too.
Of course, neither the iPhone or the new Touch iPod can currently do that. Probably in a month or two there will be yet another new-and-improved-stereo-bluetooth-ipod-dongle for folks to dish out an additional $50+ for in order to even get the current functionality of either my N95 or N800. Granted, A2DP on the N800 requires some "hacking" but once setup it's easy to use and works well. I expect Nokia to HOPEFULLY get A2DP rolled into the next N800 firmware [this is your first and last hint on this from me, Nokia, get a damn clue already].

gerbick 2007-09-10 01:59
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iball (Post 74449)
Odd....I can adjust the volume and pause music on my N800 without having to look at it.
This is what I said earlier...

Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick
You have to look at your Internet Tablet in order to use it too. Only volume and full-screen and navigation (something you have to notice while looking at it) work well... and only one of them is something you can do without looking at it on the Nokia IT's.
Quote:
Can that be done on the iPhone/Touch?
Yep. But then again, I have an iPod, not iPhone/Touch... and I have an external small remote if you remember those.

Quote:
I can even stop, start, pause, jump tracks, and answer phone calls on my N95 while it sits in my pocket all using my MotorolaS9 A2DP headset too.
Of course, neither the iPhone or the new Touch iPod can currently do that. Probably in a month or two there will be yet another...
Dunno. Was hoping you guys could answer that. I can't talk about stuff I don't have. I have an Nokia 770. From the post where I asked a question - post #156 in this thread - I stated only about the Nokia 770 and the upcoming iPhone Touch's more than likely commercial success.

Throwing more into the arena solves nothing.

Quote:
I expect Nokia to HOPEFULLY get A2DP rolled into the next N800 firmware [this is your first and last hint on this from me, Nokia, get a damn clue already].
Concur 100%.

ysss 2007-09-10 02:09
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
The NIT are fine hardware. They're kick *** for linux savvy userse and linux hackers.

But without the commercial success (that many people here associate and compare with Apple products), there doesn't seem to be enough steam (incentives, motivation) in the NIT ecosystem.

The growth happens in sporadic fashion (distributed with minimum orchestration) as per the norm in the opensource developments. There are hints of greatness all over, but they take awhile to be rolled up into the official firmware if they will make it at all.

Let's do a simple exercise to roughly gauge the 'commercial success\acceptance' of NIT. Imagine 100 potential customers that represent the target market. Soccer moms, business suits, regular joes, students, etc.
Distribute N800 sets to them, one per person.

1. How many will get additional programs installed? (navigate to maemo.org and download, quite easy.)

2. How many will manage to find the best of breed programs installed? (do point #1 over and over to compare apps, or delve down to internet forums to join the confusion of distributed documentation).

3. How many do you think will get to run Skype on their unit? (flash their firmware).

How many of the 100 user will see NIT as the same device (developed to its potential) as most people on this forum see it as?

The way I see it, the NITs are awesome devices with almost limitless possibilities. But if they're not accessible to the user, it's useless to them.

(Yes, yes, they're not useless to you and me.)

Texrat 2007-09-10 02:40
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Guys, guys, guys.

We're all spoiled by ease-of-access and immediacy these days. Sure, it's fun to say things should "just work", but for every situation where that's now actuality (and they are far from legion) there are untold hours (years/decades/centuries) of effort behind such an advent.

I said it before but maybe it bears repeating: there are too many new, novel aspects to the NITs and their ecosystem (a proprietary device INTENDED to run free software!!!) to make so many claims that the devices should be on par with Consumer Device X or Consumer Device Y just yet.

With the 770 and N800, Nokia rewound the clock, first back to, say, the Commodore 64 days and then forward from there to the PC XTs. Sure, that required savvier users than Windows XP does but if the largest cell phone manufacturer in the world didn't see merit in the approach then we wouldn't be facing the prospect of further development (and we are).

So feel free to second-guess and speculate and hell even bash the company outright it it brings catharsis... but slow and steady really has won a race or two. I'm frustrated at the rate of progress (God am I frustrated) as a user but as someone who also sits on the other side of the fence I'm also damn glad the company is moving methodically instead of treating the tablets as disposable MP3 players or such. I suddenly feel bipolar. :D

But... patience. Nothing's over yet.

iball 2007-09-10 02:49
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
I don't really care as long as Nokia keeps making newer ITs.
The way I see it, the ITs are strictly devices for Linux gurus and more of a way for Nokia to get a lot of "feedback" from those folks that they then take and roll up into more consumer-oriented devices.
And I'm OK with that in a way, but in another way I think they need to select a group of N770/N800 IT die-hard gurus around the planet and give them a FREE hardware upgrade to the next iteration of the tablet in exchange for exhaustive bug reporting and user experience data. In a way Nokia is already doing this with their "S60 Agent" program in NY, but even that program needs to go out world-wide as well. Word-of-mouth and "viral marketing" aside, just having bug reports and user experiences from REAL people will help them get more out of their current investments in these technologies.
Stop giving free stuff to the Finns and Brits already, they already get down on their knees for you.

Also, attack the U.S. market seriously or stay the phuck out.
Doing it using the half-assed methods you currently use here just make you look silly.
An Evening With S60 not only sounds lame, but it focus on only ONE section of Nokia's device map.
Drinks are on Nokia with free cab rides for locals and folks staying in hotels in the city sounds much better. Throw in a good band or two (I recommend Brother Love, I think he's local to NYC...good party band) and you'll help capture the disposable-income 18-30 year-old demographic.
They'll wake up in the morning with a bag full of schwag and a hangover going "man, that was some wild-*** party I went to last night" and they'll mention it to their friends, etc. Right now no one in America CARES about Nokia's products because they don't know Nokia even EXISTS.
You'll know you're starting to win folks over when they start pronouncing the word "Nokia" correctly and remember that they make cool phones and throw bad-@$$ launch parties.
For the love of all that is holy, hire a friggin' publicist Nokia.
Or do I need to fly over there and kick you in the jimmy?

Texrat 2007-09-10 03:19
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Kick someone else. :p I'm with you.

tabletfan 2007-09-10 04:19
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iball (Post 74449)
Odd....I can adjust the volume and pause music on my N800 without having to look at it.
Can that be done on the iPhone/Touch?
I can even stop, start, pause, jump tracks, and answer phone calls on my N95 while it sits in my pocket all using my MotorolaS9 A2DP headset too.
Of course, neither the iPhone or the new Touch iPod can currently do that. Probably in a month or two there will be yet another new-and-improved-stereo-bluetooth-ipod-dongle for folks to dish out an additional $50+ for in order to even get the current functionality of either my N95 or N800. Granted, A2DP on the N800 requires some "hacking" but once setup it's easy to use and works well. I expect Nokia to HOPEFULLY get A2DP rolled into the next N800 firmware [this is your first and last hint on this from me, Nokia, get a damn clue already].
Btw, you can adjust volume, pause, and jump tracks on the iPhone without having to touch or unlock the screen.

iball 2007-09-10 05:23
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 74461)
Kick someone else. :p I'm with you.
I meant kick all of Nokia in the jimmy, but I'll settle for OPK.

ragnar 2007-09-10 06:35
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by tabletfan (Post 74465)
Btw, you can adjust volume, pause, and jump tracks on the iPhone without having to touch or unlock the screen.
I'm curious, how? I have the iPhone here. I've only found adjusting volume, but not any way to pause or jump tracks.

HeebieJeebie 2007-09-10 07:46
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 74477)
I'm curious, how? I have the iPhone here. I've only found adjusting volume, but not any way to pause or jump tracks.
I believe from what I've read that there's some kind of button or nub on the headset that allows you to start/stop music, answer calls, and skip tracks. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.

ragnar 2007-09-10 08:23
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HeebieJeebie (Post 74483)
I believe from what I've read that there's some kind of button or nub on the headset that allows you to start/stop music, answer calls, and skip tracks. Someone please correct me if I'm wrong.
Oh yes, you're right.

The default white Apple ones are always so craptacular in their sound quality that I didn't even try them anymore. :)

Moving on, what do you guys think of this:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/breaking/...dar-297994.php

Milhouse 2007-09-10 15:03
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ragnar (Post 74488)
Moving on, what do you guys think of this:
http://gizmodo.com/gadgets/breaking/...dar-297994.php
A somewhat pointless move on Apples part... it won't stop the majority of people buying Touches just because it lacks a decent calendar, and only a small number of buyers might be pushed towards the iPhone but they were probably considering the iPhone anwyay. I'd be surprised if the dumbed down calendar in the Touch is sufficient reason to convince someone to pay $100 more as well as sign up for a two year AT&T contract at between $50-$100/month. That's a lot of money to pay for a calendar...

barry99705 2007-09-10 17:12
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
They must be doing something right. It only took 74 days to sell one million units. Wonder how many ITT's have been sold?

Texrat 2007-09-10 17:16
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by barry99705 (Post 74577)
They must be doing something right.
..........................marketing ^

Mara 2007-09-10 17:46
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 74578)
..........................marketing ^
Well... another opposite example I saw in my trip last week in Vietnam: You can see the NOKIA banners everywhere. Every single cell phone store use it as a bait to lure customers in... It is the most wanted brand of cell phones there. Nokia must be doing something right there?

iball 2007-09-10 17:53
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Mara (Post 74584)
Well... another opposite example I saw in my trip last week in Vietnam: You can see the NOKIA banners everywhere. Every single cell phone store use it as a bait to lure customers in... It is the most wanted brand of cell phones there. Nokia must be doing something right there?
Yes, it's called "marketing on every other continent except North America".

sherifnix 2007-09-10 18:12
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by iball (Post 74449)
Odd....I can adjust the volume and pause music on my N800 without having to look at it.
Can that be done on the iPhone/Touch?
I can even stop, start, pause, jump tracks, and answer phone calls on my N95 while it sits in my pocket all using my MotorolaS9 A2DP headset too.
Of course, neither the iPhone or the new Touch iPod can currently do that. Probably in a month or two there will be yet another new-and-improved-stereo-bluetooth-ipod-dongle for folks to dish out an additional $50+ for in order to even get the current functionality of either my N95 or N800. Granted, A2DP on the N800 requires some "hacking" but once setup it's easy to use and works well. I expect Nokia to HOPEFULLY get A2DP rolled into the next N800 firmware [this is your first and last hint on this from me, Nokia, get a damn clue already].

You blindly hate the iPhone. You can adjust volume, pause and change tracks on the iPhone without taking it out of your pocket from day one. You chided be for not knowing the product before bashing it, and your guilty of it first hand. Yet you couldn't site one instance of my not knowing the N800, because I own one.

Your arguments are tired, uninformed and wrong.

andymulhearn 2007-09-10 18:23
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 74578)
..........................marketing ^
And of course, absolutely nothing to do with having a product that people want to buy.

Texrat 2007-09-10 18:26
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by andymulhearn (Post 74593)
And of course, absolutely nothing to do with having a product that people want to buy.
Sorry... where did anyone make such an absurd claim? I can't find it...

And I wonder if people wanting a product has anything to do with good marketing in the first place... :rolleyes:

sherifnix 2007-09-10 18:34
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
I don't think the iPod Touch will affect the N800, but the iPhone is exactly what they are after. "The Internet everywhere."

Why carry a phone and a non pocketable device when you can browse the web, do email, hop on youtube and edit stuff with google docs? I installed Apollo IM and it works perfectly.

I might be in the minority on an IT based message board, but in the real world, people dont like to have a man purse just to look something up on the internet. Its just like the UMPC, there is no market, or its the wrong time and place.

I am browsing these forums, posting, listening to music, watching a tv episode on the ride home all on a device that fits in my pant pocket. Whats the point of the N800 for most people? Youll see most devices will end up in this form factor.

Texrat 2007-09-10 18:44
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Another part of Barry's quote:

Quote:
Originally Posted by barry99705 (Post 74577)
It only took 74 days to sell one million units.
That is surely something in which Apple can take pride.

Wake me up when they sell over 1 million smartphones per week.

;)

Milhouse 2007-09-10 18:52
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 74608)
Another part of Barry's quote:



That is surely something in which Apple can take pride.

Wake me up when they sell over 1 million smartphones per week.

;)
According to various analysts, that should be in 2009 when Apple will be shifting 45m iPhones per year, and they will be receiving significant kickbacks ($3-$11/month) from each subscriber. And that doesn't include income from iTunes. Do the math(s)... those numbers should add a VERY healthy bottom line to Apples accounts. I'm sure even Nokia would be green with envy when looking at such a business plan.

Texrat 2007-09-10 19:01
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It's good to speculate on things that have yet to manifest.

It's also good to occasionally ground one's self in current reality. ;)

nosam 2007-09-10 19:17
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What happens when the people who buy the Touch realize you can't get free wifi anywhere (except a few places). I live in San Francisco and work downtown and there are only a very few places I could actually browse the internet and watch youtube with a Touch or a NIT.
Somehow I can't see all the casual buyers of the Touch setting up their own wifi home network. I think word will get out that you can't use the internet anywhere (not literally) with the touch, at least without paying a monthly fee at starbucks or somewhere.
The Iphone avoids all this with wireless phone service I think.
So, since NITs can pair with cell phones, this makes them much more useable than the Touch that cant do this.
Other's opinions?


Quote:
Originally Posted by sherifnix (Post 74602)
I don't think the iPod Touch will affect the N800, but the iPhone is exactly what they are after. "The Internet everywhere."

Why carry a phone and a non pocketable device when you can browse the web, do email, hop on youtube and edit stuff with google docs? I installed Apollo IM and it works perfectly.

I might be in the minority on an IT based message board, but in the real world, people dont like to have a man purse just to look something up on the internet. Its just like the UMPC, there is no market, or its the wrong time and place.

I am browsing these forums, posting, listening to music, watching a tv episode on the ride home all on a device that fits in my pant pocket. Whats the point of the N800 for most people? Youll see most devices will end up in this form factor.

Texrat 2007-09-10 19:27
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Quote:
Originally Posted by .wo (Post 74616)

MobileOpportunity

Mike's blog just pointed to a nice post.

direct link
A fairly well-balanced post, thanks for the link! It was maybe 60 Apple / 40 Nokia, but then, Apple has the advantage in the areas that are important to consumers-- in the US that is. I don't think Nokia has to sweat much anywhere else-- Apple's lesser experience in global logistics is the hurdle they need to overcome. And Europeans have different desires than American consumers where device appearance, functionality and services are concerned.

I think Nokia is smugly banking on its global position to eventually dictate standards, but Americans will resist that fiercely. They will bash iTunes' weaknesses on one hand and then fiercely defend its strengths against an interloper.

This drama is by no means concluded, despite what fans on either side claim. Wait and watch, and I hope Mike is wrong about how the consumers will fare in this battle.

On a side note, does anyone see Nokia purchasing, say, Sandisk's Sansa line (or similar) eventually?

iball 2007-09-10 20:01
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Quote:
Originally Posted by sherifnix (Post 74590)
You blindly hate the iPhone. You can adjust volume, pause and change tracks on the iPhone without taking it out of your pocket from day one. You chided be for not knowing the product before bashing it, and your guilty of it first hand. Yet you couldn't site one instance of my not knowing the N800, because I own one.

Your arguments are tired, uninformed and wrong.
Wrong. I've used the iPhone before. Wires, wires, wires, wires, wires....tired of wires.

When that can be done out-of-the-box on an iPod with a stereo bluetooth headset then I'll take a look at buying one.
Until then, my N95 does the job fine.

sherifnix 2007-09-10 20:28
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Sound quality is very important, and A2DP doesn't provide any.

I'm not defending the iPhone here, I can't stand the sound from wireless headphones. I have a nice pair of Shure's that I wouldnt trade for the world.

Anyways, what I'm getting at is this. The N800 in its current form SUCKS for most end users, whereas the iPhone is a joy to sync and browse out of the box. Why is it so hard for Nokia to provide a reasonably good end user experience? Whenever I show the N800 to people they are impressed that its a little computer, before they ask me two questions.

How the hell do I use it, and why?

Texrat 2007-09-10 21:06
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sherifnix (Post 74636)
The N800 in its current form SUCKS for most end users
Kind of a broad brush there, eh, Rembrandt? Is that fact-based or assumption? And doesn't the experience depend on intent of use?

I still don't like the idea of jogging with my N800 strapped to a flailing limb, or bouncing dangerously in a pants pocket, but on the other hand, it sure looks sweet when I'm relaxing on the couch... ;)

YoDude 2007-09-10 21:34
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He is right... The N800 does suck for end users who want an iPhone...

Not being a fan-boy of either company I will say this. The N800 market is hardware driven the iPhone's is software driven.

What I mean is... I suppose most who bought a Nokia tablet were attracted by its hardware capabilities first. Software was secondary. The fact that it ran Linux was a plus because the expectation was that if the software was not commercially available, any one could or would eventually write it.

The iPhone is just the opposite. People who buy it are doing so because of what the software can do. They don't care about the hardware. That is evident by its form, a monolithic "brick". A pet rock if you will, that just happens to do some neat ish when you turn it on. You can not do anything more with it than what the next guy can do.

Each market is different and each user would be disappointed with the other device. The sale figures prove only that more people with discretionary income will purchase something that does a few things well and requires limited user knowledge. Less people will pay for something with much more potential but requires the user to learn something first.

In other words the iPone is an IT for dummies that also has a 2 year contract with a phone company. :)


Flame on. http://www.clicksmilies.com/s1106/wa...smiley-020.gif

Texrat 2007-09-10 21:46
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Well, geez, once you add the qualifier...

:rolleyes:

Milhouse 2007-09-10 22:21
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 74613)
It's good to speculate on things that have yet to manifest.

It's also good to occasionally ground one's self in current reality. ;)
I'd be more than happy to speculate on all things Nokia that are yet to manifest - the only trouble is, it would be a very short conversation.

As for grounding myself in reality, I'm simply repeating the projections of respected technology analysts - people paid to understand this stuff.

namtastic 2007-09-10 22:34
Re: iPod Touch (threads merged)
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nosam (Post 74618)
What happens when the people who buy the Touch realize you can't get free wifi anywhere (except a few places). I live in San Francisco and work downtown and there are only a very few places I could actually browse the internet and watch youtube with a Touch or a NIT.
Somehow I can't see all the casual buyers of the Touch setting up their own wifi home network. I think word will get out that you can't use the internet anywhere (not literally) with the touch, at least without paying a monthly fee at starbucks or somewhere.
The Iphone avoids all this with wireless phone service I think.
So, since NITs can pair with cell phones, this makes them much more useable than the Touch that cant do this.
Other's opinions?
Agreed... I think people are going to be sorely disappointed if they think this is the iPhone's internet experience sans telephone. Applications aside, that cellular data is used *much* much more often that most people realize, I think, except for certain users like college students when they may be surrounded by university access. But I have to pair with my phone 90% of the time when out and about in the city. Free (honest or not) Wi-Fi access points are difficult to come by in NYC, too.

And with the improvements in cell data and the continuing failure to create municipal access in cities, it's not going to get any better than this for traditional wi-fi.

iball 2007-09-10 22:57
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I don't get this "no free wi-fi" in these supposed big influential cities.
In Raleigh, NC just about EVERYWHERE there's free wi-fi. Same with Chapel Hill, Durham, Wilmington, Fayetteville. Here in Kansas City it's the same but I've also found open wi-fi all along the interstates in St. Louis and downtown Chicago as well.
Granted, most of that "free access" are just *****s who don't know how to secure their APs, but still...
Even in Kansas and Missouri there are public rest stops along the interstates that have free wi-fi! I've even gassed up at a gas station literally in the middle of the prairie with nothing else in sight for miles and miles that offered free wi-fi for customers. Used my N800 with Skype right there to make a few calls and the call quality through my Ultimate Ears headset was damn good.
Now, here in Kansas City it's not hard at all to find a free, open wi-fi AP. Matter of fact, within range of me right now is a trusty ol' LINKSYS wi-fi router still set on default settings offering up free access in this apartment complex. Correction: make that MULTIPLE open linksys routers...all set on the same channel with the same defaults...ugh...going to have to go in there and jump them all over to different channels/freqs soon. You know, helping out the neighbors.
Even the management here at this apartment complex offers free wi-fi access not only at the clubhouse but poolside as well.
Are you telling me that Kansas City has more on the ball when it comes to free/open wi-fi than both San Francisco and New York City?
Maybe folks in the mid-west/south are more about "sharing" than the money-grubbing slime that live in those two big cities?

Now, if Sprint is REALLY serious about Wi-Max and uses existing towers to massively deploy it throughout the U.S. over the next year or two then I can see a Wi-Max-enabled N800 stomping the crap out of any current Apple product.
Especially if that N800 comes with Skype ALREADY INSTALLED ON IT. Sprint does a deal with both Nokia and Skype and they stand to make a small mint. Not a large mint mind you, but enough tomake it worthwhile.
More importantly they'll be collecting very valuable data on the whole thing (customers, experience, sales, issues, etc) that will put them ahead of everyone else in the whole wireless data game. There's only so much you can learn from EVDO after all.

Of course if Apple tosses out an iPod Touch that's Wi-Max enabled then the wheel spins again...


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