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FYI (or at least as a reminder - it should have been mentioned before on this thread): this week is a public holiday in China
https://publicholidays.cn/2019-dates/

might help to kill waiting. make a week of it!

folks, do cheer up!
:)

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Don't let perfect get in the way of good enough. I feel like if they chase perfection it will never happen. I'll be honest I've pretty much lost patience at this point but the sunk cost fallacy keeps me holding on.

I wonder if they'll include some type of token to the pre-order people like a shirt or discount or maybe another accessory. Samsung took care to offer a screen replacement and 24 hour concierge when it relaunched the fold. For our inconvenience (and it truly is an inconvenience) I feel like we should be compensated for it

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What the **** are you talking about?

You seem to know how to build a slider more than any of us?

I don't care about the explanation to your false accusations above AND I can find 10s of your previous statement which has already proven wrong. Have you say anything after that? You just make another one to re-direct your false statement to another. And you take no responsibility for whatever you say.

Internet and freedom of speech doesn't mean you don't need to take responsibility for whatever and you can keep libelous statements at all time.

I don't want to say this but there could be a potential legal action I am consider to take after your endless false aspersions which are completely false and misleading and it's pure personal assult.

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uhh... suing someone for slander is a bit extreme isn't it?

Just don't fall/reply to bait(posters).

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+1 I think shaikritser is best ignored to death... Can't imagine anyone here takes the guy serious anymore as trolling level has peaked.

Edit (because i do not want to fuel this party any more with a new post): I had previously said I was not in favor of a ban in most cases including this one, but I've thought about it a long time and reconsidered. He damn well deserves it, personally attacking people to this extent should not be allowed on a forum and this thread has no future with shaikritzer in here. There have been enough second chances also.

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I'm sick at the moment and fell asleep in the middle of writing. Somehow had though posted this unfinished. So deleted it and post this again

Time is the factory of conspiracy theories - time used on waiting.

I sent a year ago two N900 phones to one member far away from my country. He offered to pay straight away with money. I asked if I would get in advance some books which would be held wise/holy/sacred where he lives. That started a very good conversation and we discussed a lot what kind of books those could be and where to get them. The debt from the two N900 with postage would be 50Eur so the books could cost that much. Because that narrowed a bit the spectre what could be purchased new this my friend from this forum bought books from a second hand bookstore. Then he told what the books were. I said that no rush with posting. I can wait. And then I started to wait.

First it was ok to wait. Soon it wasn't anymore. I could not think anything else than the books. When would they arrive? I mailed and asked but it took very long time to get answer. Then no answer. Then could not see the member on here forum anymore. Was I scammed? It didin't matter what we had talked about and how could vibes I had about this guy. I really started to think that possibility (in a conspiracy theory kind of way) even though it was two N900 phones for 50Eur which he himself had all the time be ready to pay with money.

Time is the factory of conspiracy theories - time used on waiting. I see this same thing happening when people have to wait for the devices. Many have good reasons (disappointment in the past) but even waiting for the first time - it is just so painfull.

I hope that accusing and writing only negative things of fxtec team would happen in it's own thread. There should be right to pure out and share all those negative feelings and bitterness. But I hope this thread would not be filled with that stuff.

And Chen: No lawsuit talks. I can understand how frustrating reading these posts can be. But there is right to feel and should be also to get it out. Don't go against that. You could put someone else reading this thread and answer people. Stay strong. Almost there. May the force be with you. Don't go to the dark side.

Edit: I could write this post because yesterday got a message that the books have been posted. Not anymore waiting them to be posted. Now waiting them to arrive. The time is slow for the one waiting. Slow train coming as Bob Dylan said.

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I do welcome critisizes and I always think it's necessary to make us better.

As a start-up when ramping up production the first time we do rely on many partners and things won't always go as our hope. I did not write the details as it just seems to be other reasons but ultimately it's us to do the delivery. The good things is first batch is finally at the corner and we are awaiting for the (China) National holiday to be over and do the rest.

What this person does is he is vilifying myself personally and continuously without any valid evidence and he does not take any responsibility and keep doing that. I am not sure if any person would accept it. There is some education needed

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+1

If one is doing something, he should bear the consequences.

shaikritzer is ranting without any reason: he hasn't preordered.
He is accusing without any proof. He is risking chen's success and therefore his whole career and the life standard of many people. I think, people like that should more often be held accountable. We live unfortunately in a world, where more and more people tend to offend, hurt and preach hate and think that has no consequences.

It's a different thing to be critical, but therefore there has to be a discussion. shaikritzer never entered a discussion. As chen has written, his only intend in every post was to damage chen and his project. Whenever he was proven wrong, he just ignored it.

I HAVE preordered and I'm as well not lucky with the situation. Anyway chen proofed in the past that he is a honest guy. As far as I know ,nobody lost money on the moto mod, aside from chen maybe.

That a project doesn't run the way you want, is unfortunately quite common in a world which is getting more complex every day. No reason for getting personal, especially when you are not involved.
And to be honest if people always would have started projects which were absolutely save, we would probably still communicate via smoke signals, if at all.

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One guy in a small forum bashes one device.
Big deal..
With every 1+, Galaxy, iPhone, Pixel device, there are hundreds of thousands of people trashing them EVERYWHERE.
Does that stop them from selling hundreds of millions units? NO.
There is no bad advertisement, just advertisement.

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There are million tons of places where there are positives statements over galaxy, iphone and whatever. So yes it doesn't really matter. But for a small startup without any product yet, not every advertisement is good advertisement.

And to be honest, it's absolutely no excuse fore being rude just because others are rude. If you are driving to fast, you have to pay when you got caught. No matter if EVERY other driver is also speeding...

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Totally not the case here. Pro1 is a niche device targeted towards power users, and most of them are reading the internet. This kind of advertisement is hurting the business.

There is no proof about any of the claimed, and sadly I've seen same user spreading those claims on multiple platforms and languages.

I was expecting that it won't be shipped in July.. but still there is that "wait" feeling, Maemish described it better.

Crossing fingers that my backup phone will survive until my main phone arrives.

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There is no excuse to be rude in any situation.
My personal opinion as a business owner, is to treat everything with a good attitude, facts and a smile. Worked for me, even with really bad, false and unjustified reviews :)
Other than that, the biggest target group for this device is or was here, in this forum.
I don't think that anyone here will be discouraged from buying the device solely based on this guys posts!


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And the question is why? I think just because he can and he he has fun in being rude and hurting other people.

And therefore suing him for libel is absolutely justified. If you don't stop people like him, they'll go on forever and ever. AND i would indeed sue him with a good attitude, facts and a smile ;)

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I'm not an expert, but i think it's just attention seeking. That thing is like a plague at this day and age.
But to be honest, it's actually quite easy to win the argument without any legal action.
You explain (briefly) how the FCC works and how it is affecting the (former) shipping date, and you took away his one and only argument.
I completely get chen's frustration, been there, but there is always a simple way if you don't let your emotions take over!

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the issue here is that he is trashing person and his company. And no explanation is good enough for his maybe 2 valid points among 237846287 baseless claims.
I could also trash pro1 because it's not my ideal phone and there isn't one any way. But I also totally get it why it is not yet there. Pulling this of in the first place is a win for everyone involved. Being 3 months late is not ideal but considering that majority of projects never see the light of the day or are late way longer than 3 months and a lot of them are less complex to build than the slider phone this is actually still very "on time".

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You are right.
But anyone involved could just reply only to valid points and let the users handle the nonsense.
And ofcourse when things get out of hand, there should be some consequences from the forum.
You give someone "a voice", some rules/guidelines to follow, and consequences if he gets over himself!


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If you're working with third-party partners, it's not always possible to provide an answer even to valid points.

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Sold my bike to have money to pay the pre-order. My wife is upset because i told her i would give her my Nokia 8 before i received Pro 1. Even after all this wait i am not worried and i keep saying to Chen and all Fx Tec team that they are doing a great work on making our dream alive

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Ofcourse, but you can always say that there are some problems with "that", it will affect "this", and we can tell you more "then".
Man, I'm laughing just by typing this [emoji23]
Anyway, let's be realistic here and ignore the rest.
Small team, big project for a small target group.
You already know it's gonna be hard and there will be major delays.
It's up to you if you choose to support it, but always take every estimation with a grain of salt.
Regarding projects like that, most of the time people get scammed, they end up buying a product that is not even close to expectations, or they just wait so many years to get what they where promised.
In this case, we have a real device, a team that actually works to solve problems and over-deliver instead of under-deliver, and team members that are still involved with the community.
Isn't that good enough already? :)

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Is member banning allowed in this forum? 1 vote from me

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I think the word you wanted to use is not "critics" but "bashing"


Actually, he didn't lie about shipping date. There weren't never given any official shipping date, only some wishes which can change regarding to the project status.

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It looks like you have some difficulties to understand and exprime yourself in English. Do you need some help ? I can put you in touch with someone which usually provides English lessons to not native English speakers :)

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http://maemo.org/legal/terms_of_use/

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If you go back in this thread ( http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=2148) you will see me making a BIG mistake. I told, that banning is horribly wrong. Today I have to recognize, that I was horribly wrong and I should have believed some wiser guys. Sorry for this misjudgement! :(

Banning?
Yes please...

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A liar which is complaining about someone lied to him, even though that never happened.....

... that's what I call a real genius

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

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Easy solution - stop feeding the troll you idiots. Use the forum block feature, for the third time

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I took civil and criminal law back in the day during my "what do I want to grow up to be phase" of university and college days..
and for what its worth ..

First.
That is really stretching referring to the "maemo terms of use" to justify your stance DDark

Second.
Suing for libellous statements is tricky, and even if it looks like an ironclad win, it doesn't mean it will be.
Many cases that look like a sure win, surprisingly don't.
And even winning a libel suit is a matter of viewpoint. From the moment the suit is underway and long after it is finished , it becomes a visible public issue that can take on a life of its own with many people who haven't even heard of the people involved before, drawn in to view and make up their own minds in support of either individual. The spin on this is uncontrollable, and the resulting "win" or "loss" for either of the parties may descend into a loss far greater than anyone anticipated.

Third.
On the one hand, people should not ruin others' lives by telling lies about them; but on the other hand, people should be able to speak freely without fear of litigation over every insult, disagreement, or mistake. Political and social disagreement is important in a free society, and we obviously don't all share the same opinions or beliefs. For instance, political opponents often reach opposite conclusions from the same facts, and editorial cartoonists often exaggerate facts to make their point.

Third and a half.
Considering we don't all share the same opinions and beliefs as I just mentioned previously...
Personally speaking ..
Frustration, anger, a rant here and there, and as a result the odd bit of confusion over facts is a given under circumstances such as this.
Hell, I've been there done that myself, I think everyone has.
And that is the point, glass houses and thrown rocks don't mix.

But I do suggest that freedom of speech here in the forum be not threatened with litigation and silenced.
Go down that road folks and this place just will not survive.

In fact, if either of the 2 individuals (or anyone else in the future wishes to do so in this forum, whether related or unrelated to this particular discussion or not) here wish to pursue legal action over statements made here, or threaten legal action with the sole intention to gag freedom of speech, I would then see it as a necessity to be a very vocal individual in the lifetime banning of both individuals from TMO, and insist all related threads of theirs be immediately archived to preserve for the courts, to prevent their editing and alteration, and to curtail any further undermining of the right to freedom of speech here.
And bluntly put, if either or both wish to pursue the undermining of this forum's freedom of speech and it results in the destruction of this forum, I will look for any possible way to sue the freakin' shirts off of both of you.
(he said with a very very big grin with cold eyes)
:D

Best to reiterate the facts, even if it is clicking and pasting the facts over and over to combat a confused narrative, the moment it is written.

and lastly...
from a purely personal point of view..
from my remote island ...
far far far from the madness most folks live in...

chillax Chen..
no point in getting wound up ..
at this moment shaihkritzer's angst is getting the better of him and he is just being an [fill in blank here] ..

chillax shaihkritzer...
no point in getting wound up...
at this moment Chen's work related stress levels are threatening to turn him into a [fill in blank here]

Best thing for all here is:
1- respect the right to freedom of speech.
2- respect each other.
3- tolerance for a rant or counter-rant
4- allow for the folks to cool down and for apologies, kiss and make up, flowers, and chocolates...(please remember everyone, my personal favourite is Lindt chocolates for when my turn comes around again...)

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Damn!!! I could cancel my order to keep the money for another toy but as Chen as Fx Tec team compromised with us to deliver a dream toy i will not let them down. But the toy i'm talking is awesome :)
https://www.theverge.com/2019/10/3/2...e-photos-video

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Ugly bezel in the middle, not interested.
Personally I'd take the Galaxy fold over that

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"humble posts"?!?! Let us all laugh out loud !!! You made my day with this post. My stomache hurts from laughing that much

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Trolls crave attention.
shaihkritzer is obviously prides himself on the feedback he's getting: https://twitter.com/shaihkritzer/sta...83826752278528
Just use the ignore list if it offends you.

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Poor kid, because that's the true. It looks like either you have some problems with English, or you have some psychatric disorders. I can't force you, but if you want, I can put you in touch with the right people.


Actually, it's how it works in many fields. One day you will work and have a better understanding of how the world works. In this subsection, more or less your opinion is the contrary of the reality.
And please, don't blame us for your misunderstanding about the delivery date. Most of us know that none have been given since the begining, there have been only some whishes. Don't mixe up both, it will deserve you in your incoming life.


I hope with your native language, you don't write like this. There is almost no punctuation, you didn't write the required uppercase, and it seems you never learnt how to structure your writings with subsections. This is horrible to read, and actually I didn't even tried : it looks full of nonsenses.
This confort me in my opinion of you : either you don't know how to write English, and you barely understand what you read and write, or you are a psychotic which needs help and this way of writing is your way to say it.


In addition of not being able to communicate with other people, it looks like you don't understand psychatric disorders. At least, you have made quite clear that you didn't make a preorder ;).
Now please, go play somewhere else and stop bothering the big people kiddo, this you bring you nothing good :).

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@shaihkritzer you did not pre-order so please stop talking. As a pre-order'er from Feb I have confidence in this and have seen others who have failed. Being a negative person does not encourage anything, if one wants to rant go find a wall that wants to listen. If you have constructive things to say then say them. FXtec is not a large company and those of us who pre-ordered at least myself knew that we were supporting their work, unlike a kickstart or others which have failed. So calm down and please do not comment unless you have some vested reason. You want the device support it, if you dont please stop trying to be an armchair ceo.

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What are you talking about ? I don't dislike you, I only feel pity about you. I didn't say 71.43% on you "points", and you are only explaining why the other 28.57% are true. And please, don't misunderstand "insults" with "facts" even if they don't please you.
Whatever you think and you say, my offer to put you in touch with people which can help you is still open :).

You didn't say any critics, you only tried to do some kind of poor bashing

Surely from you, but without a device your opinion will not matter.

It's not project management but communication. But there have been more communication than with most of startups. Even the ones which do many marketing stuff don't have a good communication.

You aren't a customer, stop mixing the reality the way you want her to be kiddo.

As I said, please grow up a little, maybe take a work and learn how the world work, or go play somewhere else. Here you only look like a rebel teenager pissed of against the world and which want to find a way to take revenge against this world.

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Humble posts? :)

Not the first, you are right... but currently is the only one even considering to build a phone with slider.

I don't know what technical skills you have, but if you want to build a phone which functions well in every aspects, a slider keyboard makes the whole process much more complicated to do well.

Even the radio frequencies used in old slider phones were much less than this phone is designed to support as a lot of things changed in last years.

So they had to design appropriate antennas, good transmission / reception even in opened and closed state and ensure the phone meets also radiation requirements.
This need a lot of effort and also testing.

Testing does not exactly mean certification. Prior certifications, you have to ensure the phone will be able to pass it, so you have to do similar tests for yourself, maybe do some modifications and test again, and finally do the official test.
Prior tests may not mean worse tests, maybe even done by the same (or similar) test equipment, but unofficial ones with no certification as result, but cheaper for development and you may do minor modifications during the occasion and do additional testings.
These are special and really expensive equipments, so special laboratories and even some universities have them (I am speaking about EMI / EMC measurements and Faraday cage for example).

Doing this for a small company can be really hard and expensive.

...and as they already have FCC regulations passed (which is also really expensive as its own), they really had to do such tests written above, otherwise the chance of having successful FCC certification is extremely low.

It is not really easy to copy the design (if we are not speaking about an exact copy) - so to design a similar phone takes time.
Big manufacturers may be able to design a similar phone in less time, but they are also thinking it twice.
They can sell bunch of phones with much simpler design (practically they look the same anyway), but slider phones are more expensive to manufacture (less profit) and may not would be sold as the same rate or if so, bigger manufacturing price would make them a worse option to manufacture as the less profit.

Otherwise, for F(x)tec, that is why it is a good idea to build a slider phone. As an n'th manufacturer, they would not survive at all - there are several manufacturers.
...but as a manufacturer of a slider phone, they may sell enough devices to gain good profit.

If I will be satisfied with Pro1, I would also buy their next model even if other manufacturers have slider phones. So if their build quality is good, they may have good reputation and also future sales.

Please sit down and wait a few weeks.
You are constantly saying the same and the same negative thoughts without real knowledge on what is in the background and without any knowledge about what things may happen.

For them, the most important thing would be the good reputation, so to be able to sell phones to prove the users this is a working model then there is high chance of having much more orders if everything are right.

So that way you try to decrease their chance regardless of their effort of doing everything right - I understand that can make them angry.

Also, please remember that you said they are liars and scammers without knowing the real situation.

Anyway, you may be right about their communication could be better, they may also have their consequences what to do a bit different if they will build up another product later.

Please stop being negative for a few months and let's back to it when we know the end of the story.
I would like them to build up a high quality, good brand and reputation, so please don't ruin their business.

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I have thought of maybe buying this phone. It seems to be really hot. Shaihkritzer: what is your expertice, so that if you would have this phone what are the main areas you could help to make most out of it? Haven't read all posts so would you use android or leste or what on it?

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Hey guys. Stop beating the poor child. That is called bullying

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I politely said please stop talking. Apple is a large corporation. FXTec is a small startup taking the risk to bring back a design that many of us support. All I am saying is you'd gain respect if you actually had some empathy to trying to start an enterprise that is not off the ground yet.

I repeat please stop talking.

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Double dog damn!!!
I must admit that toy-wise, this is great.
A handheld phone that is perfect as a "book" when opened.
Using F-Breader (haha...I like to call it that ...) my fav reader would be a pleasure in such a form factor.
Like the virtual keyboard use, turning it into a netbook...um...smaller...um.."phonebook"..perhaps?
I would hope that plenty of folks make roms and support other os's for it.
I sure wouldn't mind a compact, pocketable "phonebook" with options of different os's and roms.


As far as the continuing conversation goes...
shaihkritzer does bring up a few good points...
but yeah man...you voiced them, everyone has heard and understands them,
so your objective is accomplished,
and you have rebutted every critique,
and that objective is accomplished,
sooooo...
take a breather and get your calm back on.
and change the tune ...eh?

And as a suggestion....from the vibe I got from one of your posts...
well...
the use freedom of speech as a shield that one can assault others from behind, with impunity ...
is not a defensible one.
So I wouldn't consider trying that as a constant.

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You are not the only one who complains, but maybe the only one who called them liar and scammer without any real reason.
On the end of the story we all will know the truth but at this point extreme opinions are don't welcome I think.

It is very frustrating reading your extreme negative comments through the topic.

Otherwise, basically you seem to be a reasonable human, maybe a bit impatient.

So, please wait a while and see what happens in the coming weeks.

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If we hand over an n900 to you will you stop crying?