Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Ok, no news today. Go and play with your trollware in another thread please.


Can anyone ask jolla if they will attend CES to watch and learn or even to show sailfish?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Trollware :D LOL The irony, the irony.......

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

i just say this:

people who compare slush event with big companys like ms, apple or nokia are plain stupid,

its totally different and the slush team did a great show.

how much money and marketing team do you think thosr big corps has compared to jolla?

stop being so damn naive, jolla is VERY small but still they had got alit attention. Crying about how bad slush was is so silly!

i guess you people havent even a clue how hard it us for small companys!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I just say this to jolla:

How much does it cost to try out the gear before beginning the presentation?

How much does it cost to learn A B C of presentation skills?

I just say this to Slush:

How much does it cost to place the camera so you can see/read the screen?

How much does it cost to place the camera in a Head free envirnoment?

I just Say this to Mikecomputing:

You dont need money to do a great presentation. All you need is skills.

I've havn't seen anyone compare jolla's/slush's preformance with Nokia or Microsoft. (But I guess I havent read everything taht people makes up)

The total cost of this is 0

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Companies much smaller than Jolla are just as professional as the big ones. With 50+ employees Jolla is much larger than the average company. To me this only shows they are unused to being at the centre of the attention. This is not a particularly good quality if they want to be fighting with the big ones.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Seems that some of you have missed that Jolla is NOT a company, it a movement. So please think about that before posting here.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jolla's presentation may have been amateurish but at least it wasn't cringe-makingly embarrassing.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

LoL, he looks really angry!

but look at the whole presentation. It's AWESOOOME!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTX1e-pMN6E

Look at this Clown! Love his style...Cant take him for CEO for one of the biggest companies in the world.


Since mikecomputing wants us to comparing with huge companies. This is how its done! I think this is the best tech presentation of all times...So far.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MP1gvGcXcLk

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Or how about this clip of Stephen Elop rousing the troops?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Did David copy ballmer or was it the other way around
.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wvsboPUjrGc

This Is how you enter the stage :D

This is the big youtube day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3qGX...endscreen&NR=1

Can't buy another windows device after this videos.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Have you really done a presentation like that in a multi-presenter environment?

There are a million things that can go wrong. The previous presentation that day had the exact same problem with another laptop, so I doubt it was solely the presenter's fault. Even in my office, with my gear that I have used for presentations so many times, every once in a while something goes horribly wrong and we have to get another laptop or to boot another os to just be able to project.

You are being too harsh on them.

About the presentational part, they are technical people focused on their product and I expect them not to be as fluid presenters as some suit that has been shooting nice words all over for years and thus made it to that high post in the company, and I absolutely prefer a real person talking with passion about the product he is working on even if he's not the ultimate orator than a puppet marketing guy on the floor who'll say anything to sell (and make the engineers' life miserable).

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I agree with you. But they where still not good. But it doesent matter if their product is great.

Maybe they can watch some of these youtube links and learn how the big boys do it?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Another useless post by a teen from Australia. Drink some milk and grow up.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The event was premature, no SDK, only the very basics of the UI to show for, half-baked animations. They should have waited at least until the SDK is ready.

But I guess they kept up the hype a bit, some ideas they showed are indeed quite nice.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The only one who consistently posts useless/childish posts here is you, the sad part is you're a grown man well into his 40/50's.
Again, so that maybe it'll finally start to sink in, check your head, you ARE unwell...

+1

+1

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I have done product presentations, but with much less view people max 40 and have experienced technical issues. But I am always prepared for the presentations and I have always tested the presentations on colleagues and friends a few times to tweak it and get more secure and confident to give the correct image of the Compony and the product.

I'm sure they will be much better next time :) I wonder if they analyze the performnce and their public image or don't care at all?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Dave, just to clear it up, the 'you' wasn't directed specifically to you, it was used in a general style for the posters critisizing jolla about their technical problems.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Ok, My english is far from perfect so I might not always get it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Who is doing this video? Jolla employeeeeee or reporter?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOZfK3U2z8A

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jollas employee is holding the phone of course. And reporter asking questions like always.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

What can sailfish do that others can't? How will they break?

Android have its strength, Windows have its strength, iOS had its strength...

Sailfish has...

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Sailfish has normal multithreading. Android doesn't.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yeah, but i doubt that give them any real amount of users, most users don't care since you can switch tasks on other OSes too. That is not a feature that gives them any big amount of users. Don't think what you want but what attract users.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Marketing attracts users. I was reading a survey yesterday from 2010. Symbian had 36% market share though only 12% pf customers new what symbian was. Do you think those people were going to ask for symbian again witj all the hype with android?

Nokia failed to establish popular identification of their phones as smartphones and that was their biggest problem. Symbian and maemo were way ahead of android in 2009-10. What good did that make? It was all about marketing.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

+1

Marketing + Increased lack of user privacy = Increased market share :p

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, interesting that's case windows is a sure success in the future and jolla can only hope to survive its first device and hope some big shark take over the Compony and start a real marketing campaign.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Define 'normal' (as opposed to what?)?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

As opposed to crippled pthread support in bionic which is used by Android. See https://lwn.net/Articles/519313/

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Wish there was a THANKS button here. Pff! I wasn't aware of that whole issue. Thanks!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I reckon they want to do their numbers with new users in China. People really don't care about their (smart)phones... at least most of them. If you have enough money, you get an iPhone (or a SGS3, but your pocket has to be big too), if you don't have much money you get a lower end Android.

Most people who actually use their phones for talking, they'll buy a dumbphone - at least this is what I observed in my travels. Some would even sport a Nokia 5800 - but they'll be talking constantly on them. Never seen that happen with an iPhone/Samsung/HTC, espcially on the train.

For me, I like Meego, I regret not getting an N900 in the past, and would like the project to continue. Is it Sailfish now? So be it. iOS can't compare in any way - next year I'll get an Android and I'll tell you my thoughts are. I'm already feeling too lazy to have to run a tcpdump and see what the Android is talking to.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

The thing is that smartphones used to be a geek ting, or at least something you had a special interest in to actively go out and get. Part two of that "thing" is that Symbian in it's S60 incarnation worked just as a dumbphone, but with much added functionality of course, apps multitasking etc etc. Hence the ordinary ignorant user could end up with a Symbian phone or a S40 phone, it was more a matter of how much money he put into the phone. But only the ones with special interest knew how to use the functionality of Symbian.

Then came Apple and later Google. They redefined the very essence of what a smartphone was. Connectivity, multitasking, functionality - unimportant. Usability, touch screen, simplicity, app store - all important.

At that time Nokia was a bunch of headless chickens. Instead of revamping Symbian, they open sourced it and lost 2-3 years in the process while launching disasters such as the N97. Eventually the whole symbian saga ended in a crash.

Maemo was left out in the cold to a huge bunch of utter geeks with no sense of focus, discipline or management. The N900 is the result of that. If they had stayed on that track, producing geek devices for geeks, they would have a niche market now. A small market, but a viable one. But - they had to compete with the iPhone, the result is the N9. A device that is a big nothing. Way too crippled to be cool, way too poorly engineered (software vice) to compete with Android/iOS. Top score in HW design though.

IMO Jolly is doing it again. They are going for this big nothing. They are actively using a recipe that does not now or ever produce a good end result.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You don't know what they are doing hardware wise yet. So too early to say that it's "nothing".

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Is that your Christmas fairytale?

Now I guess you're just waiting for a handsome prince to kiss you so you can live happily ever after.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That's like saying Coca Cola re-defined the very essence of what a ship is. Safety, payload, the ability to stay afloat in the first place - unimportant. Taste, refreshment, American image - all important.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

To me it seems that Jolla isn't ready to release a smartphone. I think they should wait with the smartphone(or release and expensive devdevice) and instead release Sailfish SDK and make sure they are not that far off from galaxy S 4 and galaxy note 3 when they release their premium devices.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I will repeat myself over and over: the Jolla team is unlikely to deliver a finished product. They have to learn to stick with one UI and do it well. If these are the guys that jumped from Maemo to Harmattan to Jolla, they like creating unfinished products. That will not be tolerated by the vast majority of consumers.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I think they can if they use iterations of Sailfish. Plus, a useless device for you might be excellent for another user. But they can for sure compete with you lumia 920.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

They may be the guys that jumped through all these platforms (well, some of them are), but they are not the guys who made them do all this aimless jumping. So in the end they may have a better chance to finish a product than they ever had within Nokia.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Read this wiki about model-view-controller. QML simplifies designing the view (Firefox OS and Tizen will also have this adaptibility but using HTML5 instead of QML). Assuming Jolla have designed their UI in QML (surely they have, right?) then if they do come up with a paradigm the market can't stand it's only a matter of redesigning the view.

IMO it is the possibility of customisation QML offers combined with the Android application compatability that is going to make Sailfish OS very interesting to carriers and manufacturers.

I would imagine manufacturers like HTC who like to adapt Android to have their own distinct UI will find Sailfish appealing because it makes such adaptations easier. Often it is these manufacturer customisations that prevent/delay particular devices from getting updated versions of Android. Initially they'll need to reproduce the touch and feel of their UI using QML primitives, once they've done that they'll be good to go. From then on, as QML is just ECMAScript, adding their personalised UI to an updated Sailfish OS should be a fairly simple process.

Carriers may well have their own reasons for liking Sailfish OS too. It can take carrier branding and built in carrier owned services to a whole new level. Why should the carriers stand idly by and watch the manufacturers make all the money from the 'ecosystem' surrounding their core service? Don't be surprised if we see in the not-too-distant-future carrier owned 'ecosystems' and the only phones with subsidies will be the carrier branded devices that have the carrier's services integrated.

Mobile payments are going to be very big very soon. Are companies like China Mobile, Vodafone, Telefonica, etc... really going to stand on the sidelines and watch Google make all the money?

I can see the carriers appreciating Jolla as a company they can collaborate with to create their own 'ecosystem' of devices and integrated services.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

What you wrote makes a lot of sense, though, I prefer that there be a decentralization of ecosystems and find it scary that carriers will own everything from top to bottom. Nonetheless, your argument makes sense to a degree. I think that carriers will likely control all these transactions for a fee, so everyone is happy. That said, there are some uncharted waters ahead and your analysis may become a model somewhere in this universe.