Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

jPhone sounds like a cheap Apple knock off to me, which it really isn't. Stick to what Jolla called it I say, or as Javispedro found, if you need a more complex name the JP-1301

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Does the native browser have "find in page" function? I can't seem to find it anywhere...

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

No, I believe it's one of the things that were requested to Jolla.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Then...
JP-1301 it is. Assuming JP stands for jPhone. JP-999 can be optional :D

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

No need to call it FE. Jolla is just fine as long as there is only one model. Nobody talks about king Henry I, until there is a Henry II.

And please do not call it jPhone: that is really awful.

Me, I love jolla (pronounced yolla).

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Is there a solution to delete the files (".obb", etc.) of Android Apps? Only with "Devloper Mode"?

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

How to keep internet connection alive?
I see if my phone no signal, internet disconnected, after have signal, the internet connection cant connect automically, I need do it manually

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

MTP does not work on Ubuntu 13.10 64bit / Ubuntu 14.04 64bit.

dmesg from Ubuntu:

[24811.904706] usb 2-1.8.4: new high-speed USB device number 40 using ehci-pci
[24811.997346] usb 2-1.8.4: New USB device found, idVendor=2931, idProduct=0a01
[24811.997348] usb 2-1.8.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[24811.997350] usb 2-1.8.4: Product: Sailfish
[24811.997351] usb 2-1.8.4: Manufacturer: Jolla
[24811.997352] usb 2-1.8.4: SerialNumber: DU3BM00999
[24812.060452] usb 2-1.8.4: usbfs: process 6950 (gvfs-gphoto2-vo) did not claim interface 4 before use
[24812.488340] usb 2-1.8.4: usbfs: process 6950 (gvfs-gphoto2-vo) did not claim interface 4 before use
[24812.488351] usb 2-1.8.4: usbfs: process 6950 (gvfs-gphoto2-vo) did not claim interface 4 before use
[24812.488357] usb 2-1.8.4: usbfs: process 6950 (gvfs-gphoto2-vo) did not claim interface 4 before use
[24812.488366] usb 2-1.8.4: usbfs: process 6950 (gvfs-gphoto2-vo) did not claim interface 4 before use
[24929.397768] usb 2-1.8.4: USB disconnect, device number 40
[24957.233575] usb 2-1.8.4: new high-speed USB device number 41 using ehci-pci
[24957.326414] usb 2-1.8.4: New USB device found, idVendor=2931, idProduct=0a01
[24957.326417] usb 2-1.8.4: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3
[24957.326418] usb 2-1.8.4: Product: Sailfish
[24957.326419] usb 2-1.8.4: Manufacturer: Jolla
[24957.326420] usb 2-1.8.4: SerialNumber: DU3BM00999

dmesg from Jolla:

[21989.191146] [TSL277X_P][Before] raw=64, status=0, far=500, near=791
[21989.191268] [TSL277X_P][After] far=341, near=791, from=0, to=791
[21991.898150] dsme-server(670) send signal 1 to dsme(669)
[21991.902271] request_suspend_state: sleep (0->3) at 21992022854372 (2013-12-30 18:55:30.035537550 UTC)
[21991.902667] [TP] synaptics_early_suspend() +++
[21991.962365] [TP] isr status = 0
[21991.991207] [TP] isr status = 0
[21991.991451] [TP] enable double tap gesture.
[21992.030792] [TP] synaptics_early_suspend()3956 ---
[21992.052950] wlan: [885:E :SME] sme_QosPmcDeviceStateUpdateInd: 7172: nothing to process in PMC state 6
[21992.053072] wlan: [20945:E :HDD] hdd_conf_hostarpoffload:
[21992.053072]
[21992.053133] wlan: [20945:E :HDD] hdd_conf_hostarpoffload: Enabled
[21992.053133]
[21992.058291] [WH Lee] taos_als_enable::on=0, rc=0
[21992.409611] mdp4_dsi_cmd_off: Error, SET_CLK_OFF by force
[21992.409733] mdp4_mixer_blend_setup: Error: no bg_pipe at mixer=0
[21992.418217] mipi_truly_otm9608a_lcd_off()
[21992.554155] mipi_truly_otm9608a_lcd_off()--
[21992.694793] mdp4_mixer_blend_setup: Error: no bg_pipe at mixer=0
[21992.720400] hdmi_pll_enable: HDMI PLL not locked
[21992.734286] hdmi_pll_enable: HDMI PLL not locked
[21992.744541] PM: suspend entry 2013-12-30 18:55:30.877838786 UTC
[21992.780342] Freezing user space processes ... (elapsed 0.02 seconds) done.
[21993.266958] [BAT]usbin_valid_irq_handler
[21993.267050] [BAT]notify_usb_of_the_plugin_event = 1, USB_PLUGIN_WAKE_LOCK = 1
[21993.267050] USB::otg msm_otg_set_vbus_state online=1 init=1
[21993.267081] [BAT]handle_usb_insertion_removal, unplug_check_work, Start
[21993.273093] msm_otg msm_otg: USB exited from low power mode
[21993.273124] USB::otg msm_otg_sm_work b_idle work
[21993.273124] USB::otg msm_chg_detect_work chg_state=0
[21993.309534] Freezing remaining freezable tasks ...
[21993.310999] active wake lock msm_otg
[21993.311060] active wake lock pm8921_usb_plugin
[21993.311091]
[21993.311121] Freezing of tasks aborted
[21993.311182]
[21993.311213] Restarting kernel threads ... done.
[21993.312983] Restarting tasks ...
[21993.325100] QSEECOM: qseecom_receive_req: Interrupted: exiting wait_rcv_req loop
[21993.325222] QSEECOM: qseecom_ioctl: failed qseecom_receive_req: -512
[21993.334653] done.
[21993.335233] USB::otg msm_chg_detect_work chg_state=1
[21993.335538] PM: suspend exit 2013-12-30 18:55:31.468804755 UTC
[21993.335660] suspend: exit suspend, ret = -16 (2013-12-30 18:55:31.468865795 UTC)
[21993.335690] active wake lock msm_otg
[21993.335721] active wake lock pm8921_usb_plugin
[21993.347410] QSEECOM: qseecom_receive_req: Interrupted: exiting wait_rcv_req loop
[21993.347837] QSEECOM: qseecom_ioctl: failed qseecom_receive_req: -512
[21993.379457] USB::otg msm_chg_detect_work chg_state=2
[21993.409458] USB::otg msm_chg_detect_work chg_state=5
[21993.411198] USB::otg cable_detect_get_adc chan=518623822, adc_code=24818, measurement=13223 physical=13223
[21993.411228] USB::otg msm_chg_detect_work cable adc value=13 general cable
[21993.411228] USB::android android_set_usb_serialno general cable to use user serialno
[21993.411289] USB::otg msm_chg_detect_work call sdp check
[21993.411289] USB::otg msm_otg_sm_work b_idle work
[21993.411320] USB::otg msm_otg_notify_chg_type chg_type=USB_SDP_CHARGER(1) curernt chg_type=0
[21993.411350] USB::otg msm_otg_notify_chg_type end :: current charger type=POWER_SUPPLY_TYPE_USB cur_chg_type=1
[21993.411381] [BAT]pm8921_set_usb_power_supply_type = USB
[21993.411381] msm_otg msm_otg: Avail curr from USB = 100
[21993.411411] ****USB::otg msm_otg_notify_charger check following condition****
[21993.411442] ****USB::speed 0 chg_type USB_SDP_CHARGER****
[21993.411442] USB::otg msm_otg_notify_charger Avail Curr form USB = 100
[21993.411472] [BAT]pm8921_charger_vbus_draw = 100 mA
[21993.411564] USB::otg msm_otg_start_peripheral on=1
[21993.414830] msm_hsusb msm_hsusb: CI13XXX_CONTROLLER_RESET_EVENT received
[21993.761388] [BAT]## USB_ONLINE: 1 (plugin=1)
[21993.763800] [BAT]## SOC= 43( 43, 43),3783(3778),A=0122,T=289,On=1,0,(1),USB 100(100),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F03,R00,W31
[21993.913563] request_suspend_state: wakeup (3->0) at 21994034146908 (2013-12-30 18:55:32.046830086 UTC)
[21993.929983] hdmi_pll_enable: HDMI PLL not locked
[21993.937674] dsme-server(670) send signal 1 to dsme(669)
[21993.950889] hdmi_pll_enable: HDMI PLL not locked
[21994.002469] mipi_truly_otm9608a_lcd_on(), mipi_mode=1, msm_project_id=3
[21994.307673] mipi_truly_otm9608a_lcd_on()--
[21994.320430] mdp_enable_irq: MDP IRQ term-0x400 is already set, mask=400 irq=1
[21994.332791] wlan: [885:E :SME] sme_QosPmcDeviceStateUpdateInd: 7172: nothing to process in PMC state 6
[21994.332913] wlan: [20945:E :HDD] hdd_conf_hostarpoffload:
[21994.332913]
[21994.336606] [TP] synaptics_late_resume() +++
[21994.340207] [TP] disable wakeup gesture.
[21994.340268] [TP] synaptics_late_resume()4005 ---
[21994.359466] [WH Lee] taos_als_enable::on=1, rc=0
[21994.399753] mipi_truly_otm9608a_set_backlight(), BL value is 51, #3
[21995.762701] [TSL277X_P][Before] raw=1023, status=1, far=341, near=791
[21995.762792] [TSL277X_P][After] far=500, near=791, from=500, to=65535
[21996.078617] USB::enable_store enable=0
[21996.078831] enable_store: android_usb: already disabled
[21996.079136] USB::android_enable_function obex
[21996.079258] USB::android_enable_function ffs
[21996.080418] USB::enable_store enable=1
[21996.108100] mipi_truly_otm9608a_set_backlight(), BL value is 50, #2
[21996.152416] ffs_ep0_write: read descriptors
[21996.152446] ffs_ep0_write: read strings
[21996.159099] USB::udc udc_irq set enumeration true
[21996.159099] USB::udc udc_irq USB suspend state
[21996.159130] USB::otg msm_otg_sm_work b_peripheral work
[21996.377534] USB::otg msm_otg_notify_chg_type chg_type=USB_SDP_CHARGER(1) curernt chg_type=1
[21996.377625] msm_otg msm_otg: Avail curr from USB = 0
[21996.377656] ****USB::otg msm_otg_notify_charger check following condition****
[21996.377717] ****USB::speed 0 chg_type USB_SDP_CHARGER****
[21996.377747] USB::otg msm_otg_notify_charger Avail Curr form USB = 0
[21996.377808] [BAT]pm8921_charger_vbus_draw = 0 mA
[21996.377931] USB::composite composite_disconnect
[21996.378022] USB::udc udc_irq usb rest
[21996.378144] android_work: android_work: did not send uevent (0 0 (null))
[21996.379731] USB::udc udc_irq speed detection handshake suspend state=0 configure state=0
[21996.386354] dsme-server(670) send signal 1 to dsme(669)
[21996.437262] [TSL277X_P][Before] raw=59, status=0, far=500, near=791
[21996.437354] [TSL277X_P][After] far=341, near=791, from=0, to=791
[21996.448738] android_work: android_work: sent uevent USB_STATE=CONNECTED
[21996.452187] USB::otg msm_otg_notify_chg_type chg_type=USB_SDP_CHARGER(1) curernt chg_type=1
[21996.452248] USB::composite composite_disconnect
[21996.452278] USB::udc udc_irq usb rest
[21996.452400] android_work: android_work: sent uevent USB_STATE=DISCONNECTED
[21996.456185] USB::udc udc_irq speed detection handshake suspend state=0 configure state=0
[21996.522567] USB::udc isr_tr_complete_handler usb state-->addressed err=0
[21996.542527] android_work: android_work: sent uevent USB_STATE=CONNECTED
[21996.543687] USB::udc isr_tr_complete_handler usb state-->configured 1
[21996.543778] android_usb gadget: high-speed config #1: android_usb
[21996.543931] USB::composite set_config set usb configurate draw 500 mA
[21996.543992] USB::udc ci13xxx_vbus_draw draw 500 mA
[21996.544022] USB::otg msm_otg_notify_chg_type chg_type=USB_SDP_CHARGER(1) curernt chg_type=1
[21996.544083] msm_otg msm_otg: Avail curr from USB = 500
[21996.544144] USB::otg msm_otg_notify_charger Avail Curr form USB = 500
[21996.544175] [BAT]pm8921_charger_vbus_draw = 500 mA
[21996.544267] [BAT]iusbmax = 500 mA
[21996.555071] [BAT]fastchg_irq_handler, EOC_WAKE_LOCK = 1, cc for bat battery = -2449695
[21996.599722] android_work: android_work: sent uevent USB_STATE=CONFIGURED
[21996.881150] [BAT]## STATUS: Discharging -> Charging (Real)
[21996.881211] [BAT]## STATUS: Discharging -> Charging (AP)
[21996.962060] [BAT]## SOC= 43( 43, 43),3821(3781),A=-178,T=287,On=1,0,(1),USB 500(500),vd=4350(0,0),ib=1000,0,F07,R00,W3B
[21998.306513] mipi_truly_otm9608a_set_backlight(), BL value is 51, #1
[21998.419652] USB::otg msm_chg_sdp_check speed=3 enumeration=1
[21999.586995] SAT connect MC:0x10,LA:0x5
[21999.587056] generic ack:0x 10525c5, mgrstat:0x9402
[21999.587239] chan:138,ctrl:0,def:0, ref:2
[21999.587239] SAT activate grp start: ret:0
[21999.587270] generic ack:0x 20525c5, mgrstat:0x9402
[21999.587697] SAT:LA:5 reconf req
[21999.587758] sending subframe:11,ret:0
[21999.587819] sending clkgear:6,ret:0
[21999.587941] slim reconfig done!
[21999.587972] generic ack:0x 30525c5, mgrstat:0x9402
[21999.596945] CODEC connect MC:0x 11, port:a
[21999.597097] chan:138,ctrl:0,def:1, ref:2
[21999.597708] slim reconfig done!
[22001.921773] chan:138,ctrl:2,def:2, ref:2
[22001.921804] SAT oper:2 grp start:138, ret:0
[22001.921956] generic ack:0x 40525c5, mgrstat:0x9402
[22001.923208] SAT:LA:5 reconf req
[22001.923238] SLIM_CL: skip reconfig sequence
[22001.923391] generic ack:0x 50525c5, mgrstat:0x9402
[22001.928945] chan:138,ctrl:2,def:1, ref:1
[22001.929190] sending subframe:0,ret:0
[22001.929342] sending clkgear:a,ret:0
[22001.929617] slim reconfig done!dsme-server(670) send signal 1 to dsme(669)
[22020.387880] dsme-server(670) send signal 1 to dsme(669)
[22020.404483] dsme-server(670) send signal 1 to dsme(669)
[22020.404605] dsme-server(670) send signal 1 to dsme(669)
[22020.404666] dsme-server(670) send signal 1 to dsme(669)
[22020.404758] dsme-server(670) send signal 1 to dsme(669)
[22032.388613] dsme-server(670) send signal 1 to dsme(669)
[22033.508039] [TSL277X_P][Before] raw=1023, status=1, far=341, near=791
[22033.508130] [TSL277X_P][After] far=500, near=791, from=500, to=65535

Any clue what is going on here?

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Just wondering if anyone has tried doing laser etching on TOH? Not sure the result will be very visible (or even look good).

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

If you are silly enough to interact with crap dave999 spews, please don't quote him.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Is there a way to sync calendar between live.com and Sailfish/Jolla?
I guess just reading my calendar would be enough.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Doesn't live.com have Exchange support, and you can download that to your Jolla? I haven't tried it myself, but saw other people mentioning it. If there isn't support, feel free to add this to together.jolla.com so that folks can vote on it.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

I just received my Transcend 64 GB card. Connected to my PC and it is in exFAT format. I have not tested it on the Jolla yet, however, as I understand exFAT is not supported?

What format should I pick, to ensure decent compatibility between my Windows 7 computers and my Jolla phone?

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

FAT32 works. To get the music available I had to make a symlink to /home/nemo/Music -folder.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

I formatted mine as btrfs in the device, and it works just fine.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Somebody mentioned that for cards to be SDXC, they have to come formatted as exFAT, not supported currently in the Jolla. btrfs/ext4 will do the magic.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

And btrfs works without need for additional trics both in Jolla and can be also used for copy/paste in Windows? How to format it in the device?

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

You need to know what you are doing really, and I suggest that you always format on the Jolla. You can't use btrfs or ext4 in Windows unless you have something that can read/write to those file systems. I expect that the normal Windows user will have to live with some flavour of FAT.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Is there no option to search through music or am I missing something? :o

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Not that I'm aware of... there are a few suggestions for the media player in together.jolla.com, not sure whether search is one of them, but it's worth looking for it+voting or adding it.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Is there other mbience for white other half and the first half.?
I only got preinstalled 9 ambience, remove and re put the other half nil help, it said other half ambience is in use

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

The Jolla phone boots very fast, gotta love systemd :), but maybe some animated boot splash image would make it feel even faster.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

does that built in google account let us do voice call to google users? Or to phone number

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

My N9 currently has an uptime of 134 days. While I doubt the Jolla will soon get to that number because of updates, I expect it to reboot not very often. So, what's the point of having fast boot times?..

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

For example, when your plane has just landed and you are waiting to make that important phonecall. Nothing beats my trusty old 6310i in that situation, though. ;)

But that need to shut down might be history soon.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Do not use btrfs until you know what you are doing, btrfs is still supported only by linux not Windows.

Actually, you need additional trick to get your Jolla to mount btrfs -formatted sdcard - check this:

http://forum.jollausers.com/sailfish...mated-sd-card/

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Have the phone in airplane mode? That way no need to switch off...

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

I always power off my phone, just like I power off other devices that I don't need.

I believe Jolla & HTC One (since Sense 5.5 update) are now the only flagship smartphones that have an alarm clock that works also when the phone is powered off. This requires an RTC with alarm function and ability to boot the device. Great to see that despite losing Nokia's hardware, Jolla is keeping the legacy of great phones alive.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Anyway to play .MKV files on jolla?

Can't get it to work. What formats can jolla handle if I have to convert. Jolla should implement a converter in their next jPhone ll if the can't play it.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

I indeed switch to airplane mode when flying. I guess that's better than switching on the device mid-flight (or worse: when landing..) with all radios blazing.

I too switch devices off or use their standby-modes when not in use. Unless unplugging or an actual disconnecting switch from mains it still leaves a fire hazard, but they've got the energy waste pretty good under control. I'm not going to unplug my tv or pull chargers to try to save <<1W, when I'm going to use them on daily basis anyway.

Still, it's nice to see Jolla booting quickly, but it doesn't beat my (Kubuntu) pc with ssd just yet. There's room for improvement ;)

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

anyone got other half ambience working? I got 'this other half already in use' reset factory setting nil help

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

It works for me... I only have the white one. In fact, I discovered that the white other half downloaded a tenth ambience when i switched tohd.service back on. So, I'm assuming that yours is running too, right? If not, you may want to stop and start it and see what happens.

Make sure that you can access the Jolla store too. Read: make sure that you have your Jolla account set up and all that.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

I have tried that, it keep saying 'Jolla store problem: this other half already in use', I no problem with jolla account and I am able to download and install apps.

The problem I think is that Jolla device is not own by me originally, I get from ebay, and that user already downloaded the ambience with his Jolla account, so I used by own account and can't able to download? and give me that warning message?

Just I guess, no any confirmation..

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Sadly, you may be right. I wonder what Jolla has to say about these cases, it is similar to second hand games which have a feature that only works for the first owner. On the other hand, it isn't too crazy for the first owner to be able to release their ambience so that you can get it again.

Luckily, we are talking about an image here and not expensive content.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

I just guess by the warning message...I think mostly is correct.
Maybe I tried ask that user see whether he can give me his Jolla account to me or not...LOL

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Would you happen to know that codec is used inside the .mkv you've tried to play? I've been able to play .mkv's with H264 and AAC audio just fine with 'Gallery.'

If I'm not entirely mistaken, codec support is controlled by Gstreamer (please correct me if I'm wrong about that). From what I can see gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg-0.10.13-10.1.2.jolla.armv7hl is what's installed on the Jolla, so it ought to support any codecs supported by FFmpeg. See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FFmpeg#Codecs

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

I had some videos converted for my N9 as per settings stated below. These videos play on Jolla but there is no audio. What settings would you suggest to convert videos optimized for playback on Jolla?

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Current regulations are in many cases that you must switch off during take-off and landing. You may use phone during flight with flight-mode (which implies you have it enabled before switching off). This is however changing, already some airlines in US don'r require switching off and also EU is changing regulations.

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

tried pkcon install ambience-snow-white ambience-the-first-half, nil package found..

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread
 

Well there doesn't seem to be ac3 decoder on Jolla, so ac3 audio is out. MKV (matroska) files play, but aren't seekable.
So I guess the best modern file format would be mp4, video h.264, audio aac. Screen resolution is 960x540, so no need for higher resolution than that.

If using ffmpeg like in your example, something like this should work. (just tested these and seemed to work)
-s 960x540 -vcodec libx264 -crf 26.0 -acodec libvo_aacenc -b:a 128k -ac 2

[edit] But for some reason the device/gallery won't even see the file I tried to make... Need to investigate.
[edit2] Tracker seemed to be bit lazy and didn't notice the new file until tracker restart.