Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

That was one of it's least impressive areas, but kind of predictable that you'd think/say that...
Most of the hw (except for some notable areas) was quite anemic, it was to be improved substantially in 2 devices due H1 2012, but they never saw daylight ofc.
Nokia's industrial design/aesthetic & BQ is currently not a stand-out at all, there's plenty doing as well (or better) in that area now.

LOL that's Gold... :D

Ah the irony..... :rolleyes:

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Close, but not exactly ;) the "only" similarity from a higher level design point of view of old school S60 and the iPhone is the ability to make a call. So, the iShip stays afloat. You can say that the S60 ship can handle all waters, any storm etc etc, but the point is that most people don't give a ****. They only want something that floats, but with a bar, a dance floor, they want to have a party. The rest is history.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Well, still, you cannot say that they "re-defined the very essence of what a smartphone was" if they didn't make smartphones in the first place. You're right that most people don't give a tralala, but that only means that most people don't want a smartphone,. They just want a fancy UI and Angry Birds. So what Apple and others re-defined was the price and the UI of a feature phone. They didn't even enter the smartphone market.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

+1 people want a mini tablet with a 3G modem that can sometimes make/receive calls and texts (depending where you live).

Today I saw a 60 (+/- 5) yr old couple on the train:

(he produces a SGS1, probably somebody gave it to him)
He: yeah, I've got this now.
(she grabs it, holds it, weighs it, swipes through the desktops, all in 10 seconds)
She: it's alright
He: I still have to learn how to use it
(he swipes a bit more, puts it back in his pocket)
(she grabs her iPhone 4, swipes a little bit through the desktops)
She: This one is definitely quicker.
He: oh, is it?

I just can't stop loving how people in general percieve technology.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

so true......I have to say that iOS is addictive, just took the SIM out of LUMIA 920 and put it back into iphone4s, iphone still better when it comes to typing on the screen, so fewer errors, and just smoother overall. Both are miles ahead of N900 or N9....

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I wonder what will it take for a company to make a phone with a full featured desktop and a hardware keyboard. Miss the old days.

I'm just starting to have doubts on Jolla for some reason. To me, Jolla will be a whole lot like the N9, in term of the openness and they might also avoid hardware keyboards. Maybe I'm just impatient.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I can and I do :) the point is that super functional ship that could travel any water in any weather simply isn't defined as a smartphone by the majority of smartphone users (no matter what the correct definition might be). A smartphone has to have a bar and a dance floor, that is the definition today.

The fact that I have used smartphones long before the iPhone existed, and wouldn't even consider the iPhone as a smartphone, hardly any androids for that matter, this is irrelevant. The girls and the grandmothers have stolen the smartphone.

Smartphones are getting boring. There's lots more fun stuff happening with smart tvs and related stuff atm.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I disagree.... N9 at least is far better than iOS in any way I can think of, except perhaps that iOS has copy/paste in the mail application. Then, reception, maps, battery life, swype, multitasking and browser are the things that I can think off the top of my head that iOS can't do as well.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You never used iOS. Sorry, but 100 million + people cant be wrong.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Do you see the contradiction in your sentence? You accuse someone of not having used iOS and quantify it with the 100+ million people stat; conversely do you mean those people tried Harmattan before sticking with iOS? :cool:

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

[QUOTE=specc;1303085The fact that I have used smartphones long before the iPhone existed, and wouldn't even consider the iPhone as a smartphone, hardly any androids for that matter, this is irrelevant. The girls and the grandmothers have stolen the smartphone.[/QUOTE]

So you're saying that lies become truth if only people repeat them often enough? No, not for me. There's right and there's wrong. No matter what the masses think.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

right or wrong, the end result is the smartphone scene is becoming depleted of cool devices.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Yes they can, millions of people thought Hitler was right.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Who is Harmattan, by the way? Has anyone outside this forum heard of it????

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Every product has a user based defined by Gaussian distribution. Some like it some dont. When you plot the curves, iOS and Harmattan are about 3 continents apart, with the peak, 300 fold over iOS. No overlap. >5 SD apart. That is a definition of being on the fringe. I guess that defines us as fringers, whoever bought N9.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Actually, they could. More people used DDT and asbestos and were very wrong.

Numbers don't mean much other than the marketing was quite successful.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

What does DDT have to do with price of rice in China?

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

About the same as 100 Million people buying iOS products and all of a sudden they're considered "right".

Here's a hint: Not a damn thing is relevant in either poorly scripted analogy - yours or mine.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

They are right for the product we discuss , a handheld smartphone device. Just like little Nokia penny made history in its heyday, iPhone is the new Nokia. I rarely see Samsung galaxy...all I see are iPhones

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Nope. I won't ever say that sales makes a person right. It's just an indicator that that many people bought into the marketing.

Thus, my analogy about DDT and asbestos still rings true. Many people don't make it right. They might just be uninformed.

Pertaining the Nokia WP phones (Lumia 900), besides my own which I gave to my wife, I don't see any. In fact, I've seen more Nokia N9's lately - 3 in total since I came back to the US than I have seen Lumia 900 and Lumia 920's, only 2 besides the aforementioned.

But I've seen plenty Samsung Galaxy Note - but not Note II's yet - and a metric ton of Samsung Galaxy II's, but not as many Galaxy III's - which is odd.

Anyway, 10+ million folks bought the SGS3 in a month. They can't be wrong, right?

Sales is not indicative of much other than how popular something is... not how right/wrong they are.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

It had to happen sooner or later! It's finally happened, people!!!
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwin's_law

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Hahhaaa, loving this one. You nailed 'em

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

You saying, that Maemo/Meego team left the N9 MEEGO HARMATTAN to rotten?! How about Elop (your messiah)?? That a** **le who conquered Nokia. You try to think the Lumia was ready when it come out!!!! Oh my god that sucks! I was there in factory when it's happened and it's not ready and good!!! We must push it by force out of the factory! The Lumia "Microsoft's phone" (could be called) is so lame and made for stupid people! It's not so hard to think why N9 been sold more than Lumia 800 and the Nokia didn't want to show it to the public. And why previews says: "Nokia's fist IOS killer". It could be... With NOKIA's support. Thank god we have the Community! Why you even visit here Lumiaman? Does Microsoft pay you some money!? :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

"Godwin has argued that overuse of Nazi and Hitler comparisons should be avoided, because it robs the valid comparisons of their impact"

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Review your timelines. ELOP has nothing to do with failed Maemo or N9, they failed themselves prior to ELOP.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I simply love not to be part of this thread anymore. I hope you do too.

You are doing fine without me :D

Carry on!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

and by that post you have shown everything that is wrong with this site and it's followers. If the iPhone is what you want, then for **** sake go and get one you no brain fanboy.

Besides, lumia 800 sold more in Finland alone than all the n9 put together. The n9 was a commercial disaster, and at the same time a joke to any smartphone enthusiast because it is crippled. You can't even flash the damded thing in any meaningfull manner.

At least a lumis is cool and fun. If you like hacking, get a nexus or siii.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

1. I have used iOS 4, 5 and 6, having an iPhone as well as a Nokia N9, and a Nokia 5800 prior to that, for over a year now. I try to always use the iPhone first when on business, because I don't pay for it. Often it fails to deliver, while the Nokias deliver very well. I'd say that the 5800 was still a better phone than the iPhone.
2. 100M people can be wrong, I am not scared of disagreeing with a vast amount of people, especially when I'm right, and in this case I am, since I am weighing the usability of a mobile OS considering my requirements on a daily basis. Also, refer back to the train conversation: I bet the average of those 100M people gauge the speed of a phone by swiping the desktops. I rest my case.

All that said, if you particularly prefer iOS, by all means, go ahead and use it.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Oh, I am using it. And you must have a special Nokia N9, as it has the worst email client on the smartphone: it has failed me on many occasions and that is why I stopped using it. So I am not sure what you were delivering with Nokia N9, because you be out of business with that type of a phone. And I had 4 of them, so I know it wasnt an isolated problem...............

I know you are trying to support Euro tech, but they have failed. Its all Asia now.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

I think this thread needs more fishing trips ;-)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Uhm... the iPhone's email client fails me constantly (needing a kick), especially with IMAP. Exchange worked ok often, except when needing a full reboot.
The N9's client -like I said- doesn't have copy/paste, minor setback for me (as I rarely use copy/paste). Otherwise, it failed me once when the DB was corrupted (my fault for drasticaly changing the server).

Businesswise, the iPhone doesn't have swype, hence I can't type with one hand. Major setback for me. iPhone's maps are all online and all Google (which stopped doing maps 2 or 3 years ago, Nokia maps are more up to date), then Tom Tom (we all know the stories...), luckily, I use Nokia here now, and it's all relatively well. Still, the lack of reception with the iPhone makes online maps a very negative point. I've got my maps saved in the N9 and no problem. Same with the 5800.

What else? Voice quality on the iPhone just sucks, grip of death, web browser can't handle ident authentication (and has trouble with some 4KB certificates). iPhone doesn't come with a native XMPP client, only gtalk and friends. It actually takes time to pick one from the store, tcpdump it, make sure it doesn't talk to anything else rather than the server you want to. Battery life is a pitty, even though I hardly use it. I mean, I could keep going, and I should say again that this is _my_ experience, and _my_ requirements.

I'm sorry to hear that your N9's haven't fulfilled you, but then again, everybody is different.

Yes - I support the Euopean economy because I live in Europe. Sadly, no more phones are made around here, so I'll have to settle with something else in future. I wish, however, that we lived in a different type of global economy where I wouldn't need to support any continent in particular.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Believe it or not, I have the solution to all your problems: Nokia Luuumiiiaaaa :D (or you could get an sgs3 and live a boring life ever after)

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Watch out, the thread Gestapo has arrived :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

They have always been here
Reichskriminaldirektor Gerb and
Kriminalkommissar DanRamos

and of course the wannabe
Kriminalassistent SwHitter

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Verdammt stimmt, knallkopf.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Your German is astonishing :D

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Vielen dank mein freund.

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

No thread for you!
One year!

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

Jolla gets a mention in this article on the BBC News Website:

Life Beyond Nokia

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 

In case you haven't seen this nice tidbit, Jolla has employed the Lorn Potter (Qt sensors guy) and QML declarative team of Brisbane:

https://twitter.com/llornkcor/status/275322908119805953

Very good for Jolla, and of course the talented people of Brisbane!