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Thanks for the info.
I can't get MKV files to play. Need to try some more files while I'm deaming of a Netflix application or HBO application.

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I tried this workaroung with Helsinki University Eduroam, to no avail. (I replaced the required fields with the required values and uploaded the local CA cert to the phone.) It just gets stuck in "Connecting" in the UI. Same settings (and CA cert) work with my laptop, using wpa_supplicant. But wpa_supplicant has also the setting "anonymous_identity", could this be a problem? Connman config files don't seem to have such a thing.

Anybody got this working here?

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...sorry, my bad, adding the domain part to my identity worked. wpa_supplicant doesn't need that, so I just tried with only the local part.

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After using Jolla for a couple of weeks I can say that Jolla is the phone for me. It is about the fact that I can login to my phone via SSH and fix things by myself (such as the power drainage issue or setting up a "hotspot" to share internet). The terminal on the phone isn't bad either. It's pretty cool to execute htop at the terminal and see what's going on (or to show off to friends what the difference of Jolla and a regular phone is :p ). If someone would like to compile bb (a text based demo using AA-lib) it would be even cooler to show off Jolla on a terminal!

There is one thing I haven't gotten used to. I don't know how to hold the phone in my hand(s) especially when I am writing messages. I mean, writing is easy with the terminal as it flips to horizontal view, but with other applications I have a hard time adjusting my hands to a good position for writing. Horizontal view would fix this problem, but I would also prefer a TOH with a less slippery material.

My five cents.

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exFAT is the official standard for SDXC cards but it's not supported by Sailfish or licenced by Jolla from Microsoft (yet). IMHO they need to as it's the standard for SDXC cards, but I'm sure the anti-Microsoft dogmatists will disagree.

You can re-format the card to vFAT32 and access the full 64GB but there's some caveats.

1) No files bigger than 4GB

2) Filename restrictions (mostly affects Macs and Linux, not Windows)

3) You have to use the DOS command line to reformat the card as the Windows graphical format tool does not allow you to format other than exFAT.

4) Jolla don't support GUID partioning (default on Intel Macs) so make sure the card uses the older DOS 'Master Boot Record' partition scheme.

5) One partition only. This might be just me but I couldn't get it to work with two partitions.


You shouldn't have to symlink the card if using vFAT32.

Other file systems will work like ext4 and btrfs but neither Mac nor Windows support them and there's a bug in Sailfish which means they don't automount so it's less than useful unless you're Linux through and through.

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You bet! :p
Only over my dead body MS FS touches my Linux phone! :cool:


You don't need journaling on the flash card so ext2 will suffice and there are drivers for ext2 for Win, don't know about the Macs. ;)

Edit: It seems there is a solution for Mac: http://blog.applegrew.com/2011/12/ac...osx-lion-10-7/

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Pretty sure last I checked there was support for much more than just ext2/3, but I can't recall specifics.
For solid/quality support though, the best route is one or more paid solutions IIRC...

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The Mac FUSE based ext2/3 support is pretty unreliable IME. The Paragon software is kind of ok but $40.

If you're also using Windows then you'll need another commercial app.

Then the card won't work in TVs and other media players.

So, that's why I say they need to support exFAT. Yes, I know, it's money to Microsoft but presumably Jolla are already paying Microsoft for Exchange ActiveSync support* so I fail to see why we should get religious about it.


* which I really object to as they should have used IMAP/CalDAV/CardDAV ;-)

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Good, Bad or Ugly?

Head SAR 0.546 W/kg

Body SAR 1.470 W/kg

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No they dont need to support exFAT. Microsoft is doomed anyway.

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where is jolla manufactured? made in finland?

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Asia. Possibly partly designed in Finland.

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Box says "Made in China. Designed in Finland", in the reverse order.

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No I'm sure there's more than this, later (time permitting) I'll try to dig up...

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I formatted my sdxc 64Gb card to Btrfs -filesystem in Jolla. Everything went okay and after manual mounting happily moved all my music and pic files back to card from /home/nemo/...

I also changed the /usr/sbin/mount-sd.sh script according instructions in Jollausers.forum (it might be also here in TMO) and now the mounting of btrfs-card does not fail when rebooting.

Jolla SD card

I still have to make a soft link from sdcard to Music and Picture folders to be able to use them with Media or Gallery. Maybe some update will fix this one.

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I formatted my sdxc 64Gb card to FAT32 on Windows 7 32bit computer using program FAT32program: http://www.ridgecrop.demon.co.uk/guiformat.htm and it works on Jolla without any problems. I have 3 folders on my sd card - Videos, Music and Photos. I did not had to do any mounting operations from command line - all content was recognized automatically by Sailfish programs within few minutes after installing sd card to Jolla (for sd card install / removal I do not power off Jolla).

*Only one thing bothers me - when I connect Jolla to my computer over usb I can only see my phone memory and not the sd card. For coping files to sd card I have to remove it from the phone and install it to my laptop (Lenovo X200s) sd card reader using the adapter. Would be more convinient to have direct access over usb.

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Just ordered a Transcend TS64GUSDU1 microSD, was nearly ordering a Sandisk equivalent, but then checked, Sandisk is US-based. Good luck NSAdisk...

/paranoia?

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As I wanted to give my Jolla another chance I've reinstalled the native apps (except Alien Darvik) today and Mitakuuluu. Except tiny lags in the UI it was again a great experience, just love that swiping!

Still most of the programs lack features - music player, editing pictures (to at least make them fit as ambience wrong dimension by default even!), etc.
Didn't wanted to give up hope even when the NFC - battery drain is not fixed and kills the device so quick.
Then a new "feature" came across the screen after I've switched to 2G net only (though I'm not sure if this issue is connected): "SIM-Card was removed" - restart device to get the SIM working again.
Great - my Jolla never dropped on the ground or anything to get the mechanical SIM card mount/holder damaged.

I will send my Jolla back to Finland and might buy the second Phone when things are ironed out. Back to my n900 :/

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After a couple of weeks of using the Jolla as my main phone, here are some new observations.

In the beginning I thought there were only minor glitches, but this is apparently not the case, at least from my experience. I see some people here have been struggling with WiFi in different flavors. Same here. Depending on the security settings of the hot spot at hand, the WiFi connection breaks randomly, and sometimes even a restart is required to get it to work again. I don't know if I'm the only one (or the first one :D), bur I've experienced similar problems with Internet over 3G. From time to time, the phone was ending up in a loop of activating and deactivating data, where only a reboot would help. All this has been happening very often -- multiple times a day, to say the least. I really hope this gets fixed soon, because such basic features should work flawlessly. This should definitely be Jolla's top priority for the next update.

If we put the bugs aside, the phone is what I was hoping it would be. Some people here might disagree, but I dare say Alien Dalvik is one of its coolest features. It's so nice we don't have to trade the awesome UI, proper multitasking and full "linuxness" for the lack of undoubtedly useful, ubiquitous and mature Android apps. I didn't believe they could make it this good from day one, it really kicks a55 and will definitely help Jolla sell this thingy to the masses. Now I'm pretty sure they'll find their niche and survive on the market -- no doubt they deserve it.

P. S. I'm already so used to the Jolla's gestures that I'm constantly trying them out on other touch screens around.

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Erlier in this thread, att said :

In Terminal app run commands:

cd
ln -s /run/user/100000/media/sdcard .

(Notice the dot at the end of ln) After that you can access the microSD card with USB MTP (Jolla's normal PC connectivity) by going to directory "sdcard".

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Yes, paranoia.

Makes no difference where the HQ of the OEM is located. Manufacturing will be done in a country even more of a police state than USA (China).

And whatever you the USA based OEM had (tinfoil mode) planned, it could be wiped anyway easily. And as soon as you go on-line, you're free meat for the NSA anyway. Irrespective of where the engineers who designed your memcard had their passport.

Basically what Im saying: Memcard design location is the least of your problems if your you're worried about NSA. We're all screwed anyway. There's nothing that you can do to stop the American empire, if it takes an interest in you. So, just buy the cheapest memory card.

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that last part applies to me too after using N9 and now Jolla using buttons feels like something from 10 years ago, it just feels unnatural.

Apart that yes there are some annoyances. I'll be going back to uni on Monday and I know I'll have issues connecting to the eduroam network.

BUT what I do love is the new together platform and I feel like I can contribute and actually work on shaping the OS and that is the sort of freedom that no other phone company can give you.

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I have a strange issue i am unable to solve. it don't remind it being pointed out in this thread.

I have some files with accent characters in their name, like é è à â, and the like.

Problem is those chars are displayed as white diamond shapes with ? inside. i am aware it is a locale issue, but am unable to pinpoint the sourceand solve this.
Also, i can't manage the files properly. like i can't delete or rename them.

I have the same when i connect via ssh on the phone, also in media app and also in my ftp android client, in gallery app, videos with accent are shown as "Oops, cannot display thumbnail"

I already checked my locale.conf file and set all as en_GB.UTF8

Did someone experience the same and can provide advice?

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For someone it works, others don't. I have now tested FAT32 and Btrfs and I have to use the symlinks, who knows why? This is not a big issue, easy to do, but I was expecting something else...

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No, not necessarily, I'm afraid ... On Hacking MicroSD Cards

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You really think Jolla is going to survive because of ability to run Android apps? It hasn't helped BB10. Why would users buy a Jolla phone to run Android apps? To me, Jolla can only survive if it has a pool of unique native apps. But as the Jolla team has done almost nothing to promote native app development and is even hampering it with an incomplete SDK and no support for paid apps its chance of survival is close to zero.

Sorry, the masses are not interested in a Jolla phone now. The market for Sailfish is a few thousand geeks, MeeGo enthusiasts and patriotic Finns and there isn't an endless supply of them.

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In that case, let my boycotting of an US-originated company be a way for me to be heard by politicians and companies in USA. Even though my privacy wouldn't get any better directly by this decision, a chance of positive impact for user privacy and electronic security is possible... if enough people boycott them. It all starts from supply/demand. Currently no company can fill a demand for secure electronic communications device/accessory, and companies in USA couldn't fill it even if they wanted to if they remain based in USA, due to legislation there.

And wow, security really sucks in electronic devices. Big time. I should boycott everything, but that's not currently possible.

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I tried (including the dot). Still does not show in Windows 7, tried both - 32 and 64 bit.

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Did you put space before the dot? Don't know if it's important but the original command has it.

Also, could it be possible that the sdcard folder is hidden so it could only be accessed by typing computer\Sailfish\sdcard in the filebrowser's address bar? A long shot but maybe worth a try.

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Command creates a symlink to /home/nemo/ folder and when connected to computer you can see the sdcard similar to Documents and Pictures etc.

Works nicely with Ubuntu Linux machine.

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If I input command from the terminal it states that symlink created. However, nothing appears on the computer:
http://www.upload.ee/thumb/3806291/PrintScreen.jpg

Edited:
RE: space before dot - yes
RE: computer\Sailfish\sdcard - tried, no such folder

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When you looks up a list from your /home/nemo/ using Terminal, can you see following line (command 'ls -l'). Timestamp naturally different.

lrwxrwxrwx 1 nemo nemo 30 2014-01-05 01:25 sdcard -> /run/user/100000/media/sdcard

or using eg. File Browser, you should see the similar link to sdcard.

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More to the point, the phone frankly (and sadly) isn't ready for the masses yet, so it'll be difficult to gain that interest. And I'm beginning to suspect that by the time all the bugs, rough edges and missing features are ironed out, the hardware will be so far behind that it still won't appeal to the masses.

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I did not had it. Now I tried one more time to input the command and it worked - now I have sdcard folder: Computer\Sailfish\Phone Memory\sdcard
Could be that previously I did not had a "cd" command in front of the "ln" command. Thank you!

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I use Windows and I had the same problem when I used a laptop card reader for copying files to the microSD card. So I reformatted the card and stopped using the card reader. I think it must be some character encoding issue that occurs only when using the card reader.

Now I copy files via USB using the symbolic link trick, so Windows sees the sdcard folder in Phone Memory. I also tried WinSCP (via USB) but transfers were a lot slower. With WinSCP the entire file system can be accessed.

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my FAT formatted SD card that I had used (and filled ) on N900 before is mounted read only on my Jolla.
What can I do to change that behavior?

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Well, I've shown my Jolla to a few people by now, and I've heard generally positive things, they all seem to like its appearance and they really show interest when I show them android apps running. Sure some get confused by the gestures navigation (even after I've opened the tutorial for them!), but that's expected. So maybe the masses aren't as NOT ready as you guys think... :)

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Yep, I've shown mine to people. And they all think it looks nice, but have none have shown any interest in investigating it any further.

And being shown the phone and actually using it are different things. The masses sure as heck won't want to be playing with fingerterm or SSH and manually creating symbolic links to that they can use their SD card. And if they like Android apps they'll be a bit disappointed in the limited Yandex store, but they won't want to be hacking the system to get access to Google Play (and then finding that actually not all Android apps run). They won't like the flaky data connectivity, they won't like the extremely limited camera functionality. I could go on.

Much of this is (eventually) fixable and probably on Jolla's roadmap, and we early adopters are prepared to turn a blind eye to the current shortcomings. The masses won't be so forgiving. And, as I say, by the time they are all fixed (and even with monthly updates I'd suggest that is going to take a while) the hardware - already far from high end - is going to look dated.

That's just my personal opinion, though. I'd be happy to be proved wrong.

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I agree everything what you say and it would imo be delusional to think some operator could put Jolla on a stand and see random customers picking up the phone. People getting Jolla do know exactly what they want and are getting.

Though I don't get that hardware argument. It's not like Jolla isn't making a second phone. We know they are making a second phone, and hopefully much more. Sailflish as OS wont become "full featured" in this iteration of hardware anyways.

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You guys raise good points, on the other hand no device is perfect, every single device I've had before Jolla had problems, be it WLAN connectivity, slowness and so on.. anyway, I think we might be getting slightly off-topic so I won't carry on with this :)