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No news about the jolla troublet today either? What a mess.

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When's the next #mer-meeting? Tomorrow? That was a good source of news last time.

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Anyone from jolla at these meetings nowdays? Antti should join an explain why he didnt used the money to finish the tablet or why not ask for more money to finalize the project and fix this scam.

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Yes, the next community meeting should be again tomorrow (December 3) at 14:30 UTC. :)

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I wonder how things would have been different if the Jolla phone had the capability to get 3G or 4G in the US. As I understand it, a significant fraction of the tablets were sold to folks in the US (is that true?). Perhaps greater sales of Jolla phone to US sailors could have helped keep Jolla afloat longer...

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I suspect the cost (in terms of both money and time) of getting the cellular components of the phone FCC and PTCRB certified (plus any additional individual carrier requirements) in the US would have outweighed any financial benefit. I also suspect that getting such certification would have required modification to the phone design.

You may wonder why the tablet has no cellular functionality. I'd suggest it is exactly so no such certification is required, thus making it much easier to sell in the US.

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Could Jolla have released an unlocked version without going through FCC or specific carrier? I would then have purchased it on line from some international distributor..

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Not that much different at all. Launching any device in the US is a tricky endeavor and it has to have the key things that folks want - social media, ease of use, plenty of apps (most go unused after the first week) and a level of popularity that means they can ask their peers questions to resolve their grievances.

I'd love to say that my home market would have made a dent in what's going on with Jolla; but I truly doubt it. The US is a fickle area that only supports currently iOS or Android.

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I think you make a generally valid point about marketing this device in the US. However, I was thinking, not of the general US public, but just folks like myself that had used the N900 and/or N9 and would have liked to use a related OS. Whether that would be enough people to keep Jolla afloat is not clear. Come to think of it, N9 was not sold by any carrier in US but it at least got 3G. Indeed, about 5 or 6 of us N9 fans had a meet up years ago in Rockville MD. It was really fun. Alas, halcyon days bygone...

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Wasn't the issue patents?

Nokia had a huge reciprocal patent portfolio to bat off trolls in the USA. Jolla doesn't so it might just be safer not to play at all.

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US China Russia should scrap 0,001% of their spybudget and throw the money at Jolla and other componies that trying to make a differance in that area. But then again. Jolla managment would **** up the tablet Wasting the money on something else. So maybe its better with some extra spying when I think of it. Pay lastu with the money would be cool though.

Now I'm waiting for "the road to the jolla tablet" on the blog...

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Oh, trust me. I pulled in 37 N9's during it's heyday, half of which did stay in the US but the rest went to Canada or Mexico. My point though is that those numbers of us purists never truly make a dent in anybody's plans else we'd see more devices that addresses our wants and needs as geeks, tinkerers and fans of alternatives...

This forum, the kind that frequent this forum; we just do not count. We never really have unfortunately. Psion, Zaurus, Maemo, MeeGo... we were part of an experiment or incidentally part of the crowd that got a device that we decided to back and in each case it did not live long for those company.

The ideals persist. But we're just not important to these companies. I'd risk to say it's because we're fickle, once we find something we really like, we're quite unlikely to let it go anytime soon (the people in 2015 still using a N900 as their daily phone/mobile computer is quite high in this forum) and that's not a model that screams "Hey, target this bunch of guys. They'll love you, expect the world, criticize the ever living **** out of you, but will not let your device go for years until you've lost interest and/or ways to capitalize on their fandom..."

Yeah. Not sustainable unless they want to be charitable or have embraced meritocracy.

I think we actually agree more than disagree. I just see things from the marketing side as being unable to be fixed, whereas the tech side we're a moving target.

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This is as likely to happen as the NSA to stop listening to your phone calls and filter that money to NASA instead.

Face it, outside of Apple (and arguably Microsoft with the Surface Pro 3 and Surface Pro 4) no company really has shown that a tablet was the way to make money. Nobody really needs a tablet. Good marketing and expanded use cases can show many the way. But a tablet is still a fringe device that's not as necessary as a computer or cellphone (today).

Since we're talking whimsical machinations; I'd rather see Intel or Qualcomm pitch to become hardware manufacturers and assist on the delivery of the tablet and (an updated) phone respectively and get their newer chips into these phones as a way to show how an efficiently written OS can make the world of difference in the mobile sector.

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well. They are. Arent they..

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Yeah...remove Jolla management, support the dev team with hw and money and rock the boat.

IntelTab, iTab...iPad...powered with fish...sailfish!

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Financial support as I was stating wouldn't mean that those companies are Jolla's customers. I mean that Intel and Qualcomm could boot the bill as a "partner" and not as their ODM/OEM/chip partner as customer (thus needing Jolla's money).

To simplify, Intel and/or Qualcomm as investors. That's my point.

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This... makes no sense Dave. Without management, nobody can be there to make sure the projects stay the course or that finances are handled. It's a "necessary evil".

All this lust for a tablet that would invariably upset you because it's lacking some feature that's important to you isn't probably the best way forward. Use your energy better is my advice.

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Hey, Let's disagree to agree! lol. Just kidding..

My only question now is why did you have to pull and distribute 37 N9's. It sounds like you were distributing contraband. I just ordered mine at mobile city online (based in NYC). Think it was a model originally sold in Singapore...

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Of course we need some management but not the one we have now. They have proved to me that they don't tell the true to its customers or investors and they would not deliver tablet even if they have the money, which they did have. And It would be nice if a bigger company took over to take sailfish to the next level, hardware and money for control over sailfish, partly or the whole. The cofounders can go and play somewhere else plz. A mature hour is over. Will not forgive them until they deliver tablet, until then they are accountable for the failing project.

At least antti is left trying to fix the mess and I hope he succeed. He should have some cred for that even if he was top dog during the tablet scam.

You are not better than your last game!
You are not better than your last project!
You are not better than your last product!
You are not better than your last line of code!


Where is the road-to-the-tablet-blog post?

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It wasn't originally easy to get the N9 stateside when it first came out. I think there were barely a handful of sites that would import it at the time (or for a reasonable price). I was going to use his connect until i found it on a site that i think is now defunct, the name escapes me.

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Yes. I think I got it not long after it was released. I do remember it being a bit pricey, buying from mobile city online. Can't recall the exact price right now but it was somewhere between 6 and 7 hundred dollars. Dang! Fool that I am. I must have paid way too much. I think I also saw it for sale at Popular Electronics (importer of electronics based in Chicago) but it was even more expensive there.

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Man, it's my favorite phone and daily driver to this day, but when i look back and see i paid about that for two at release, it stings. I can't remember if the Elopcalypse made me think this thing would be impossible to find, and i think i had no confidence that the one i imported from Singapore wasn't a scam before ordering one from a stateside vendor as back up.

Glad i can say after all these years i got my money's worth at least.

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LOL!

This was before the shops picked it up in that one Chicago store or online deliverable to the US. Contraband... pretty damn close. But folks wanted them, I had access in a few key markets, so I helped where I could.

Didn't get the Singapore models though, not for trying.

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I'd rather have humbled co-founders that know the people involved as opposed to strangers that probably just want to line their pockets.

So... I assume since "mature hour" is over, we can anticipate more childish antics? Let me go grab my popcorn.

And let's hope he's successful not only for your precious tablet; but for the engineers that are currently not currently employed. Seriously Dave, think outside of yourself my friend.

Yep, mature hour has indeed passed.

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Haha...I thought you would pick on that so I left it to see if you would focus on the discussion or some misspelled words by the phone/me. Got ya!

I think it's safe to say that more antics will appear in thread before tablet appears or the fat lady sings. The last chapter in this tablet story is not written yet...hope to get some good Intel tomorrow after the community meeting. We need some solid leads how Jolla planning to fix this...

If Jolla manage to get a partner on board like antti said in last blog post Jolla could trade the OS for 10000 devices or discount for the backers with the amount. Would be cool as well.

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With respect to the Tablet's future, it's pretty simple. If they get more money, they'll be able to ship the tablets. If they don't, they won't.

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Ahh...have some faith. Never say never. Jolla still got an OS to barging with. That must count for something.

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Dave, there's a reason nobody has thanked you for any of your last 10 posts. Just give it a rest!

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I won't rest until we got the tablet(or substitute) or I'm fluent in English or whichever comes first.

Thanks? Don't worry about thanks man. It means nothing(unless Gerbick wants to race to 20K). How else would I have almost 5000. :D

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"A phenomenon that everybody is familiar with is not just some kind of side effect of the nature of the skin on fingers and toes, but a functional feature that has very likely been selected for by evolution"

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Who said that? Darwin or niel? :D

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Tom Smulders

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Dave is the entertainment in a thread of people who are right:p

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I thought Nokia gave free access for Jolla to their patents as part of the (then) Nokia layoff's bridge fundings?

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No, AFAIK.

Besides, entering US market is not about being able to license a bunch of patents, it is about having muscle to defend your standing in the court, it is about who has deeper pockets.

As a foreign startup you have less than a snowball's chance in hell to survive against APL if they ever decided to crush you under a ton of paperwork.
It is an extremely protectionistic area where only big players can succeed.

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Jolla should not fight Apple heads on. What about a gray market phone. Jolla is small enough to fly under radar and still sell thousands of devices in US. Jolla streetPhone should be the name in use US.

Gerbick, Cop and other TMOers could set up shop.

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Sadly I'd agree. In litigation it's often not who is right but who has the most money.

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Er ... the Jolla has never been a locked device. If you'd wanted you could indeed have purchased and shipped into the US. People did exactly that.

I'm reasonably sure that Jolla did their maths, and decided that a US 3G/4G compatible device was not worth their while. They had limited resources, and felt it best to concentrate them on Europe and BRIC.

And the US carriers' propensity to fail to agree on CDSA v GSM, or on even frequencies make it tricky to create a universal device

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Never said that Jolla phone was ever locked. But often when you order phone online it can be advertised as unlocked

https://www.mobilecityonline.com/wir...ked_phones.asp

If Jolla sold phone through carrier, say T-mobile, it might have been locked. When I got my Note Edge from t-mobile it tuned out to be locked. Fortunately that can be easily undone. If they sold an "international" gsm phone with right bands so you could readily use them on at&t and t-mobile or other carries, that go through at&t or tmobile, without going though unlocking that would be a convenience. Maybe, that is something the online sales company does as a service.

At the time I got my Jolla phone I did not see where I could order the phone. Could I have ordered one directly from Jolla? Didn't seem like I could at the time. Maybe they were sold online but I didn't see where. I actually had a friend from Switzerland, who was visiting the States pick one up for me.

Not sure what assumptions or formula Jolla did their calculations to omit US and Canada Maybe they might have sold 500 to 1000 or more. Maybe a one percent increase in sales would keep the lights on few more days. Maybe there are more tech-geeks in US and Canada than Jolla realizes. Who knows.

But, at least, I think my worries are over in regards to Jolla contraband. Gerbick has my back, I think... Cash in unmarked bills or bitcoin. Perhaps Dave999 can be a Jolla runner too if he can get his hands on a stack of Jolla tablets...

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I wish I could help. I'm still trying to find a way around buying a Jolla phone at a decent price from a country/reseller that would send to the US and avoid the shipment of devices with a battery being the problem - as with anything from Finland.

Otherwise, yep. I'd have your back.