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For me they look good but yes, basically not the camera is the most important in this phone.

However, I could not see the original photos but a version of reduced resolution by Twitter. Am I missing something and the actual photos are able to be downloaded somehow from Twitter?
...as looking at those may help a lot deciding the quality.

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I would really like to see the original pics too. All I saw was the Twitter post.
I don't use Twitter so I don't know how much the compression they use affects the overall quality.
From what I saw there, exposure, dynamic range, highlights, bokah, they all lack. I didn't mention the noise since that's probably affected from Twitter compression, but I don't know about the rest!

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Here is a couple of pictures Chen posted on Twitter taken with the Pro1.
https://twitter.com/chenliangchen/st...92991061958657

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Do you realize that it's already been posted just 4 posts above yours?

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https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGXcjOTXUAMWr7L.jpg:large
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EGXcjxqWsAAY9rl.jpg:large
These should be the original pictures.

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Can't wait to film my appliances in high quality for the first time!

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I have asked Chen to send me the original version of these photos and he allowed me to share them so I put them here.

Remember these are not official marketing images just some casual photos.

Anyway, I think they are much better than the version reduced by Twitter, at least I like them much more. :)

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Thanks!
Looks like I was right though.
Anyway, I think the most important think would be to reach a decent level at launch, cause you can improve quality with software updates every month. That's what every company does either way!

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I see they are much better than I initially thought.
Basically because I don't really see those manipulations usually exists on every Android devices I saw so far...

Usually photos have blur effect applied and then sharpened in order to eliminate the noise at sensor level and it makes a strange output if you see those photos closer - they have much less details because of this trick.

So maybe this trick is not applied here or it is at way lower level which is absolutely a good point.
Also, I don't see much noise in these photos, but it will definitively different in photos taken in low light.

...and yes, it may be improved in later updates or some filter settings may be turned on or off - I rather would like to see photos without the trick mentioned above as I may do modifications myself if I would like to and that way I have a more detailed photo.

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Wonder what the professional verdict is. Any photo savvy users chime in on these?
I know the reason the pixel produces great shots is a lot down to the image processing rather than the sensor. I'm expecting the Pro1 to deliver as good quality hopefully...

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I think we will have to wait for the first phones to arrive and it may also receive improvements later... but for deeper conclusion, I would like to see more photos in more different environments - in a darker room for example.

One thing is the image processing and another one is the noise of the sensor itself which is not only depends on the sensor by its own but the internal electronics. For example a stable, appropriately filtered power supply is also a key value.

Maybe that is one of the reasons why there are many phones with the blur then sharpen it way of image post-processing.
In this relation, I think Pro1 may be among the higher image-quality phones.

So, these photos are not perfect, but I think what we can see is not bad at all.

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Twitter enforces a 5MB limit, so they might not be the originals.

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Not great, not terrible. :D

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Personally I really like that picture of the dark window, no noise in the totally dark parts and still has plenty of detail wherever something is visible, I like it. The flower with the obviously fake bokeh... I dislike this type of effect, in any phone, but it's hip right now and implemented as good as any I've seen. The two cameras could help focus faster though which is cool, do not know if the software can do this.

The real question will be the whole experience that we can only see in real though I think: how fast does it focus, what's the shutter lag like, does it consistently focus correctly? Those things are more important than just image quality IMO, but the quality of the images is definitely good enough for me. And I really can't wait to have 2-stage button on a phone again, i find it makes any camera much more usable.

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I'm thinking of getting the Galaxy Watch, but should I wait until I have my Pro1?

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I have no use for the camera other than just souvenir photos, so the quality is plenty enough for me. But just out of curiosity, the sharpness of the roof tiles varies across the picture despite all tiles being roughly on the same plane, with those close to the dandelion seed being sharper. Is that an artifact of the dual-camera system failing to discriminate which plane they are on because of the seed translucency?*

* : [Edit] This would imply however that both cameras are used to take pictures with different focal points, as some niche cameras do, but I don't think this is what smartphone dual cameras are made for (is the second camera used just to ease focusing?). So I guess it is just the limits of the fake bokeh effect when the planes on the images are not easily discriminated.

Overall, I don't think the fake bokeh is realistic, and it tends to be uneven across the picture. I do not mind much anyway because this is not something I will use (won't use Android, and won't use the Pro1 to take "good" pictures), whereas it might be a good selling point for many users.

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That depends.
Do you use n9 as a primary device? If yes, then wait for the pro1.
Anyway, this is my (galaxy watch) setup wearing my chronograph's silver band and rigke stainless steel bezel ring!https://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...c5cb6a1017.jpghttps://uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com/201...cff4666c91.jpg

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Which model is this? Looks good. Like my watches silver and stainless steel

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This is the galaxy watch 46mm. I updated my post to avoid confusion.
With a decent band and rotating bezel ring cover, it definitely looks like a decent watch!

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Do you have a model number. Seems like i don't find it :o

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Yeah, the other ones that were uploaded were like twice the resolution. These just seem to be the biggest ones that Twitter has. I thought that would be the max resolution, my bad.

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It's the sm-r800.
Maybe it doesn't look similar cause as I said, I'm using my chronograph's band and the rigke bezel.
The stock appearance is this
https://www.otto.de/p/samsung-galaxy...onId=736769768

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Yeah, it's those details that makes it look good :) Damn....

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Yeah, I can't decide whether is worse, false bokeh or that skin/face enhancement which makes you look like a doll. Particularly in low light situations, when some primitive noise reduction is also applied. As a result, the face may look almost believable on small screen, particularly if you don't know the person and what she/he really looks like. But when you open the photo on bigger screen, the real awfulness reveals itself.

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I hope there will be a possibility to shhot pictures in RAW format ...
I hate all these artificial photos. If I want to edit them, i want to do it on my own. Not a stupid automatic routine.

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Sorry to hear you are ill.
Talking about conspiracies, "they" really got "us" hooked on toys, audiovisual entertainment of all kinds, sitting life style in work, useless gym efforts due to generations of bad food advice.

May I be so free to deviate from the topic to add that during the "waiting time" for mobile devices , books or other things to arrive, one should really think about shifting & investing time, study effort and resources to the sole purpose to stay healthy and increase one's own longevity so that the waiting time doesn't matter because you feel great and no need to imagine all will be well when that much anticipated thing arrives. When you arrive to live up to your own potential, or just feel you are restoring your precious health from another dip and taking all measure to prevent that to repeat, that's a greater gift.

No health means no point doing anything else even the long awaited uber mobile device will mean short lived pleasure at the end.

Thanks for your consideration and , now I am done waiting for this device already even done checking the status, will see your in depth reviews after platform maturisation in 5 yrs ;-)

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I think having a good "auto" mode is not a bad thing. For example, I have a Pentax K5 DSLR, which is already quite old and the auto mode sucks. The sensor is pretty good and with decent optics it still performs quite well. But only if I shoot in RAW format and spend some time to do post-processing.

My girlfriend has some pretty modern smartphone with modern dual camera setup, and the phone is capable to shoot pretty nice photos in daylight at least. The auto mode recognizes people and faces and tries to light them properly, but also tries to adjust bright and dark areas to prevent burning etc. In many situations it performs surprisingly well. Of course it's not enough for a professional and even a non-professional recognizes the quality if you try, for example, to print the picture in poster size. But for casual, everyday use it is easily enough. Also the DSLR is something you don't want to carry around everywhere you go, but the phone is in your pocket almost always.

I love my Pentax but it's quite laborious to always transfer the photos to a pc (and not just any pc but your own pc which has Darktable installed), do the post-processing and convert to jpg/png before you are ready to publish or even show the photo for anyone. Having an easy option with instantly ready pictures is a good thing. But in more difficult situations, like low light, moving targets (fast shutter speeds, fast continuous shooting and short shutter lag), very cold conditions, multi-day adventures with no recharging abilities etc, is great to have a proper camera instead of a phone.

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For me, only making pics of things i'm selling or filming my appliances and coming from my N900, anything will do.

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The first units are expected to ship two days before the Brexit deadline and no one knows if a deal will be signed or not. I wonder how much the expected shipping logistics could be impacted in case of a no-deal.

Is there anyone in the field who could summarize the potential consequences and workarounds for F(x)tec to deliver outside UK? The pre-ordered devices are already paid and taxes were included in the price, so maybe those shipments would be less impacted than units purchased after the Brexit (?), or is it the same for all units arriving at the border after the Brexit regardless of the bill date?

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I'm pretty sure they talked about establishing a warehouse in the Netherlands as well as the UK one.

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yes, and in the meantime Chen wrote a reply on twitter that everything is still as planned (at the moment).

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Erik-FX on the official forum wrote the same in the meantime.
So at least two persons of the team say the same status.

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Galaxy Watch came in the mail, IT'S EFFIN AWESOME!

Even more awesome is a Netherlands warehouse for Fxtec!

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I hope my watch gonna arrive tomorrow :)

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Yes he replied to me, but his answer does not really address the question: he said everything is still as planned and and they will let us know if Brexit changes anything, while I was asking if a no-deal can change anything.

We're two weeks from the deadline, so surely they already considered the issue earlier and already know if and how a no-deal would alter their sale/shipment plans. If they expect no change, then I assume he would have replied just that, but he did not.

I did not reply again on Twitter because I don't want to cause bad PR with additional questions, obviously Chen didn't want to go into details in his reply and I respect that. I would have preferred asking here only but we all know he said he would not chime in this thread any longer.

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I thknk Che. didn't anwer, because nobody knows, what Brexit really brings when it comes. Even BoJo has no Idea....

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I doubt that every service on both side will care about those few phones in the early days. I remember when Croatia entered EU some UK stores were deducting VAT for two more years so...... :D

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Erik over at FX-Forum:

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So much for that end of the week, it's almost Monday and still no newsletter.

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Yep, waiting here as well...
To be fair they still have about 8 hours to Monday, but I'm not holding my breath