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To me it does matter - accountability and integrity
I'm not here to judge what they deserve or whether or not they've worked hard. I want them to hold true to what they say

r0kk3rz

2019-10-21 00:50

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

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Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1561087)

Yes he replied to me, but his answer does not really address the question: he said everything is still as planned and and they will let us know if Brexit changes anything, while I was asking if a no-deal can change anything.

We're two weeks from the deadline, so surely they already considered the issue earlier and already know if and how a no-deal would alter their sale/shipment plans. If they expect no change, then I assume he would have replied just that, but he did not.

I did not reply again on Twitter because I don't want to cause bad PR with additional questions, obviously Chen didn't want to go into details in his reply and I respect that. I would have preferred asking here only but we all know he said he would not chime in this thread any longer.

Of course it can, no-deal brexit changes *everything* about trade and I expect you'll have more pressing concerns like "why is the supermarket empty" and not "when do i get my shiny toy"

Fellfrosch

2019-10-21 04:44

Re: Are you Ready? F(x)tec Pro 1 HW Keyboard Phone

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Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1561135)

To me it does matter - accountability and integrity
I'm not here to judge what they deserve or whether or not they've worked hard. I want them to hold true to what they say

is expected to, is something different to we promise. So just take such statements with a grain of salt. I'm quite sure, that the update will come at the beginning of this week.

Shirabe

2019-10-22 07:07

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Originally Posted by Fellfrosch (Post 1561133)

Does it really matters, if it's Sunday or monday? Common guys, let these guys have there well deserved weekend and don't take every word literally...

Indeed, Monday would've been fine as well.

Wasmachinemann-NL

2019-10-22 13:42

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Originally Posted by Erik-FX

Sorry, the update hasn’t gone out – I was told by PR it was meant to be emailed last week. We are likely waiting on more updates from Chen who is now back in the factory. We are on track for shipping on the 29th, that is not changing.

Well there's that.

gtmaster303

2019-10-22 14:01

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They recently updated the shipping timeframe on the product page. Used to say early October, now it says shipping globally in 4-6 weeks.
I don't like how they're posting updates in the thread of a single forum. Would like an official update, especially considering how close we are.

Maemish

2019-10-22 22:24

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It is so nice to follow this thread without my own order for the phone.

Wasmachinemann-NL

2019-10-22 23:02

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Originally Posted by Maemish (Post 1561169)

It is so nice to follow this thread without my own order for the phone.

Can't wait for mine to come in the mail!

gtmaster303

2019-10-23 01:38

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Latest review of one of the latest units, all credit goes to reviewer

https://eskerahn.dk/?p=3556

Shirabe

2019-10-23 06:26

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Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1561173)

Latest review of one of the latest units, all credit goes to reviewer

https://eskerahn.dk/?p=3556

Really liking the addition of the screws for the keyboard. The less things are glued into place, the better in my opinion. The addition of stickers is a small price I'd be willing to pay for that. Personally I wouldn't mind it that much if the stickers came off anyway, seeing some screws wouldn't bother me.

This positive review just makes all the slipping of dates hurt more to be honest. At this point I'm just expecting it to arrive sometime this year.

Trzyzet

2019-10-23 10:32

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https://i.ibb.co/BB2JH75/2019-10-23.jpg

Right before update :D

HtheB

2019-10-23 11:43

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Originally Posted by Trzyzet (Post 1561177)

https://i.ibb.co/BB2JH75/2019-10-23.jpg

Right before update :D

http://giphygifs.s3.amazonaws.com/me...CcxO/giphy.gif

deutch1976

2019-10-23 11:54

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120 pre orders are for sure :)

gtmaster303

2019-10-23 12:10

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Originally Posted by Shirabe (Post 1561174)

I'm worried about the uneven keyboard backlighting. Not what I expect for a $700 phone. Hopefully it was just an issue with the review unit

Kabouik

2019-10-23 12:35

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90k€ on the picture, just for those few units. D: The kind of calculations that helps realizing how hard it must be for a small startup to build such a device from scratch and have it mass produced without crowdfunding.

Kabouik

2019-10-23 12:40

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Come on, keyboard backlighting is never uniform, not even on pro Lenovo laptops or other high end laptops. The keyboard I am typing on right now is not evenly lit and I can see the variation under daylight, yet I couldn't care less.

Of course opinions will vary and it may be important for other users, but there are no keyboard devices with perfectly uniform backlighting, let alone phones given that none of them have keyboards.

nikos523

2019-10-23 12:45

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Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1561182)

Well it's really hard!
But i think that most of the budget is for the software, r&d, engineering etc.
Hardware-wise, the hinge probably adds to the cost, but I don't think that this device needs more than a couple of hundred bucks to manufacture.
Comparing with state of the art flagships that cost 300-350$ ofc. I don't know, I'm just assuming :)

Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk

Shirabe

2019-10-23 12:56

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Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1561181)

I'm worried about the uneven keyboard backlighting. Not what I expect for a $700 phone. Hopefully it was just an issue with the review unit

Eh, I could hardly even notice it on the pictures. And the whole point of the keyboard is to not look at it while typing in my opinion. But yeah, it's a bit of a bummer, just saying I personally don't mind it.

At this point I mostly just want the phone already.

gtmaster303

2019-10-23 13:16

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Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1561183)

None of my previous qwerty devices had this problem. I doubt I'm that lucky...

chenliangchen

2019-10-23 17:23

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The back light layer of the unit Eske is using was from a small batch of samples. Production components comes with mass produced and in theory should be much better. (And I can see being better.)

gtmaster303

2019-10-23 17:25

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Regarding price, I noticed if you go to check out now, they don't appear to charge tax anymore. Total to the US comes out to 700 plus 10 for shipping.
Am I missing something here?

Wasmachinemann-NL

2019-10-23 19:13

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Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1561191)

Regarding price, I noticed if you go to check out now, they don't appear to charge tax anymore. Total to the US comes out to 700 plus 10 for shipping.
Am I missing something here?

Seems correct because USA is obviously not EU where tax is mandatory.

gtmaster303

2019-10-23 19:20

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Originally Posted by Wasmachinemann-NL (Post 1561192)

Seems correct because USA is obviously not EU where tax is mandatory.

But I did get charged for tax on my preorder. They're no longer collecting tax for US orders?

Wasmachinemann-NL

2019-10-23 19:27

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Originally Posted by gtmaster303 (Post 1561193)

But I did get charged for tax on my preorder. They're no longer collecting tax for US orders?

Then I suggest you mail Fxtec support.

AardDevil

2019-10-23 22:13

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Originally Posted by nikos523 (Post 1561184)

But i think that most of the budget is for the software, r&d, engineering etc.

Do hope that those investments do even out ... with future models :cool:, i.e. that Chen & Co. start appealing to a larger public.
Take software. There might well be droves of folks interested in a "basic" - mind my word usage - Android phone with a (more) full(y) implemented landscape mode. And other "basic" OS-users as well, now I come to think of it ;).

Concerning the Pro^1.
My only remaining interest – as not to say worry – concerns the battery serviceability. Those screws, they do make the battery (more easily) replaceable by the user, don't they?

Koiruus

2019-10-24 02:20

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Originally Posted by AardDevil (Post 1561195)

My only remaining interest – as not to say worry – concerns the battery serviceability. Those screws, they do make the battery (more easily) replaceable by the user, don't they?

They do. Chen has stated that the battery is not hot-swappable but it can be replaced. Which basically means that replacing the battery is complicated enough so you aren't going to use external battery charger and swap new battery in when previous one gets empty. But at same time it is easy enough for normal user to replace when it dies.

ste-phan

2019-10-24 08:49

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Is this device also going to "get better over time, just like red wine" like the Purism Librem 5?

Checked the specs: no resistive N900 screen for enhanced productivity , but what can we expect.
About audio recording: capabilities are left out.
Since 2008 Nokia E71, 2012 Nokia 808 and then subsequent disapointments with most "modern" 2016 phones such as Galaxy S7, I came to expect knowing some details about this.
I still use FMtx a lot to easily "cast" FM to all kind of radio's from car to those around the house. No love lost on that killer feature either?

deutch1976

2019-10-24 09:41

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What will i receive first? The Fx Tec Pro1 or the screen protector i bought on Aliexpress? :)

ste-phan

2019-10-24 10:04

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Originally Posted by shaihkritzer (Post 1561202)

indeed. it already got much better over almost 1 year of delays :D

Ain't that the truth, with the story still building, we have something to look forward to before the disappointment / reality sets in. ...Again.

At least it's "only" 700 Euro, that's half price of my Wife's new iPhone :eek:
And with a little bit of luck we can pull 5-10 yrs usage out of this for better or for worse. Will depend on the hardware fragility / Achilles heels yet to be discovered.

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Originally Posted by deutch1976 (Post 1561201)

What will i receive first? The Fx Tec Pro1 or the screen protector i bought on Aliexpress? :)

I know the answer on that. Invest now in a stack of accessories , remember that -one time- hard sought after Otterbox for N900.

gtmaster303

2019-10-24 12:20

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Just an FYI, tax is added after you enter all shipping details

Is there any word on how we can find out if we're in the first batch?

nikos523

2019-10-24 19:09

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Short question.
Was the price 720 euros before or my mind is playing tricks?

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deutch1976

2019-10-24 20:07

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Originally Posted by nikos523 (Post 1561215)

Short question.
Was the price 720 euros before or my mind is playing tricks?

Sent from my SM-N960F using Tapatalk

Your mind might be playing you tricks (or treats) :)
The price raised
Cosmo communicator also raised after pre orders and that is normal, i think

deutch1976

2019-10-25 10:03

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2 Attachment(s)

No tempered glass but whole screen protecion. Arrived yesterday

ka9yhd

2019-10-25 22:20

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Originally Posted by Kabouik (Post 1561183)

My Getac S400 G2 laptop does a pretty good job with the back lighting of the keyboard, and it has adjustable brightness.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YNgYUGcZJf4ok4gm7

nikos523

2019-10-26 00:09

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Still, I can see some brighter and some dimmer spots in your photo.
And I can guarantee you that even my ROG Strix GL702zc that I bought last year for 1800€, has also some small spots that are brighter.
For me, if you have to take a close look to find it, it's not a problem. If you can clearly see it when you operate the device, then it is an issue

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Shirabe

2019-10-26 06:49

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Originally Posted by ka9yhd (Post 1561224)

My Getac S400 G2 laptop does a pretty good job with the back lighting of the keyboard, and it has adjustable brightness.

https://photos.app.goo.gl/YNgYUGcZJf4ok4gm7

The post you're quoting was stupid, as there are plenty of keyboards with uniform lighting. The one I'm typing on does as well. It's just that those likely have an LED per key, and that doesn't scale all that well. Looking at the exploded view of the Pro1, it seems there are 21 LEDs spread around to light the entire keyboard. That already seems like it's the upper limit to me, I expected like 10.

Kabouik

2019-10-26 12:13

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Thanks for your kind words.

All I was saying is you will see some lighting differences among keys when you underexpose the photo, as was done in the Pro1 review people are referring to exactly because it was not so visible with normal exposure. The reviewer himself stresses it. It cannot be perfectly even unless every individual key has its own LED, which is not reasonable for a phone, and underexposed pictures emphasize the impression.

Wasmachinemann-NL

2019-10-26 12:52

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I'm typing this on a M6500 (with a NOS M6400 keyboard though) and even it's got a uniform backlight.

Shirabe

2019-10-28 07:12

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Originally Posted by Shirabe (Post 1561157)

Indeed, Monday would've been fine as well.

Indeed, M̶o̶n̶d̶a̶y̶ Week 43 would've been fine as well.

Seriously, the constant slipping of these minor things like this update email just completely destroys any credibility for promises fxtec makes. At this point I see no reason to believe they'll start shipping on the 29th. I'll be gladly surprised if they do, but I'd bet they'll ship sometime November, maybe December.

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