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jalyst 2013-01-10 17:55

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Totally off-topic, but very interesting reads nonetheless, Anand is almost always very close to the mark:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6529/b...power-analysis
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6536/a...-real-showdown
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6600/i...eforce-gt-650m

Fuzzillogic 2013-01-10 18:05

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
The N9 has quite large bevels compared to the current crop. So even a 4.3" screen might fit in the same physical dimensions. But I agree the phone itself shouldn't be larger. I'd prefer a smaller device, like the N9, which packs a punch (inb4 "that's what SHE said!").

As for ARM vs x86.. I must say, with Linux I can hardly care. Cross-compiling seems trivial these days and the lack of proprietary software makes the difference even less significant, software-choice-wise.

jalyst 2013-01-10 18:14

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Agreed, just nice to see x86 is still still tracking nicely to become a player, well worth a read/skim.

Dave999 2013-01-10 19:05

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
So jolla will announce device with 80 days?

ggabriel 2013-01-10 19:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by vitaminj (Post 1313334)
Hmm if it's any bigger than the N9 then I'm out. I don't understand the obsession with ever larger screens - 5" 1080p seems to be all the rage at CES. A phone that can't fit in my hand starts to become more annoying and less useful. But then I don't like any tablet over 9" and any laptop over 12" so perhaps I'm not in line with standard opinion.

+3
(because you make 3 points)

ggabriel 2013-01-10 19:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313343)
A big phone is great for Web content, all forms of content.

But it isn't great for talking or checking the map or whatever while holding an umbrella on the other hand (unless you want to balance it, like you told me in a previous post and would like to have it easily stolen).

How about a phone with a screen on both sides and you can flip it open when you want more surface? :D

jalyst 2013-01-10 19:45

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Or Dave's much lauded disc phone...

Dave999 2013-01-10 19:58

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1313431)
But it isn't great for talking or checking the map or whatever while holding an umbrella on the other hand (unless you want to balance it, like you told me in a previous post and would like to have it easily stolen).

How about a phone with a screen on both sides and you can flip it open when you want more surface? :D

Balance the phone is a must otherwise you can use it with one hand. No issus while talking, maps and superior especially while driving.

No downside what's so ever, plus you have lots of great small devices too since you buying bigger and bigger devices :) I would like a quad sim device. That would rock indeed.

Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1313437)
Or Dave's much lauded disc phone...

That will be epic when jolla announcing it. They are unlike, so why come up with a candy bar like the rest? Doesn't make sense.

nodevel 2013-01-11 00:03

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
When I need a big screen, I use my tablet. I don't need two of those, just a phone that can be used in one hand.

Steve Jobs knew why he wasn't stretching iPhone's screen at all.

I believe the obcession with large screens is going to cool down quite soon. It is a temporary thing only, just like the 3D in movies.

daperl 2013-01-11 00:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1313522)
When I need a big screen, I have a tablet. I don't need two of those, just a phone that can be used in one hand.

Steve Jobs knew why he wasn't stretching iPhone's screen at all.

I believe the obcession with large screens is going to cool down quite soon. It is a temporary thing only, just like the 3D in movies.

Uh, wrong. And so was Steve Jobs. Big screens and styli are here to stay.

nodevel 2013-01-11 00:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1313524)
Uh, wrong. And so was Steve Jobs. Big screens and styli are here to stay.

First, "I believe" means it is my personal opinion, so who are you to say if it is true or wrong? Future will tell :)

Second, do you own a tablet?
I had used HP Veer (2.6-inch screen) for few months, paired with HP Touchpad, and it was very comfortable. If you look at CES, tablets (while I don't think they are very useful, having used one for over a year) gain more attention than mobile phones.

So, when people purchase a tablet that can be reasonably paired with their smartphone, they won't need large screen on their phone. Just my two cents.


Sorry for being offtopic, I hope Jolla will offer alternative to oversized Android phones, since it most likely won't be able to compete spec-wise.

daperl 2013-01-11 01:16

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Yeah, I too have an HP Touchpad. Until I got a Galaxy Nexus it was my main browser. Nothing wrong with two devices, but the GN versatility has me rarely reaching for the Touchpad these days. I'm a stylus guy; the killer combo would be a Note 10.1 and a Note II with vanilla Android or Ubuntu Mobile.

Lumiaman 2013-01-11 02:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1313536)
Yeah, I too have an HP Touchpad. Until I got a Galaxy Nexus it was my main browser. Nothing wrong with two devices, but the GN versatility has me rarely reaching for the Touchpad these days. I'm a stylus guy; the killer combo would be a Note 10.1 and a Note II with vanilla Android or Ubuntu Mobile.

You got to check out Lumia 920, the best business tablet

thedead1440 2013-01-11 03:42

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Lumiaman (Post 1313547)
You got to check out Lumia 920, the best business tablet

Lumiaman, we know this is off-topic but it isn't a just-for-laughs thread so keep your jokes for the countdown thread etc :p

jalyst 2013-01-11 05:59

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by daperl (Post 1313536)
Yeah, I too have an HP Touchpad. Until I got a Galaxy Nexus it was my main browser. Nothing wrong with two devices, but the GN versatility has me rarely reaching for the Touchpad these days. I'm a stylus guy; the killer combo would be a Note 10.1 and a Note II with vanilla Android or Ubuntu Mobile.

Personally I want my phone to stay at 4.1->5", 5.5" absolute max, but that's really pushing it.
For more real-estate I have my 7"+ tablets... But that's just my personal taste...

nodevel 2013-01-11 09:20

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1313577)
Personally I want my phone to stay at 4.1->5", 5.5" absolute max, but that's really pushing it.
For more real-estate I have my 7"+ tablets... But that's just my personal taste...

Interesting is how it is all about preference... 7" tablet is too small for me, but it is way too big for phone. Then there's Kindle in this screen size category :)

PS: I think the only reason screens sizes are currently growing is the fact that phone manufacturers are lost and don't know how else to innovate. All smartphones look the same, regular customers don't care how many cores the CPU has, further addition of megapixels to small cameras turned counterproductive... Right now, making bigger screens is the only way to emulate innovation for marketing.

Dave999 2013-01-11 09:31

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
"large screens is going to cool down quite soon"

LOL...Dude, You can be more wrong!!!!

Big screens everywhere. however, phones will built into other stuffs like clocks, earrings, bracelets, hats, cards, tvs, pens, freezes and ultimatly the human body. But the big screens are here to day! small, medium AND BIIIIIIIIIIG!

If jolla comes up with a 4 inch phone or less I would just starting lauching and after a few seconds starting to cry because of their epic failure.

MINKIN2 2013-01-11 12:21

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Did anyone see the Tactus touchscreens from CES?

http://www.webpronews.com/ces-2013-t...agical-2013-01

I have heard of similar tech being considered a couple of years ago but have never seen anything as tangible as this.

From the video, it appears to only be portrait only right now but the tech is still in its early days.

Either way, it is certainly the most innovating thing that I have seen in screen tech in recent years. Maybe other manufacturers will start to look into this for future devices?

nodevel 2013-01-11 12:31

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313634)
"large screens is going to cool down quite soon"

LOL...Dude, You can be more wrong!!!!

Big screens everywhere. however, phones will built into other stuffs like clocks, earrings, bracelets, hats, cards, tvs, pens, freezes and ultimatly the human body. But the big screens are here to day! small, medium AND BIIIIIIIIIIG!

If jolla comes up with a 4 inch phone or less I would just starting lauching and after a few seconds starting to cry because of their epic failure.

Read my post again and you'll realize you're saying the same thing I am. (including the thought that I can be way more wrong than that ;) )

Phones will definitely be built into other stuffs like clocks, earrings, bracelets, hats, cards... As I mentioned, I have used 2.6" phone without any problem. I was regularly sending texts from the tablet, through the small device. However, when I needed to do something quickly or go somewhere without my bag, I'd take the phone out and do it one-handed.

I believe you don't think people will carry 5" watch on their wrists... I will call 'a phone' the watch, bracelet or whatever has the phone funtionality, not the tablet that will be paired with it.

As I mentioned, I can hardly use a tablet smaller than those 9" or so. Having 5-6" phone that doesn't fit my pocket and can neither replace the tablet is just inconvenient. Neither I can make calls from the 10" tablet. So, phones will eventually become smaller, compact devices, as people buy more tablets (which will fill their current desires about large screens).

Dave999 2013-01-11 13:03

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1313683)
Read my post again and you'll realize you're saying the same thing I am. (including the thought that I can be way more wrong than that ;) )

Phones will definitely be built into other stuffs like clocks, earrings, bracelets, hats, cards... As I mentioned, I have used 2.6" phone without any problem. I was regularly sending texts from the tablet, through the small device. However, when I needed to do something quickly or go somewhere without my bag, I'd take the phone out and do it one-handed.

I believe you don't think people will carry 5" watch on their wrists... I will call 'a phone' the watch, bracelet or whatever has the phone funtionality, not the tablet that will be paired with it.

As I mentioned, I can hardly use a tablet smaller than those 9" or so. Having 5-6" phone that doesn't fit my pocket and can neither replace the tablet is just inconvenient. Neither I can make calls from the 10" tablet. So, phones will eventually become smaller, compact devices, as people buy more tablets (which will fill their current desires about large screens).

You dont get it, the size will be irellevant in 3 years from NOW. drop it right now. 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 inch dosent matter becouse there are 10000 ways to make them invissable or pratical to use when you move.

This is you sometime next year.
http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/ga...st-display.jpg

Or if you are not in to high tech body gear you can order the tiny clock. I'm waiting for the 5 inch clock:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2013/...-pebble-ships/

http://www.wired.com/images_blogs/ga...bble-watch.jpg

jalyst 2013-01-11 13:43

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1313631)
Interesting is how it is all about preference... 7" tablet is too small for me,

I said 7"+, I have a 7", but also a few tablets bigger than that.

Dave999 2013-01-11 13:48

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
I'm looking for this. THE KING among tablets. Looks great!

The big bad tablet! what if jolla could give us something likE this? jalyst, I think you need at least one of these...

http://images.techhive.com/images/ar...0294-large.png

jalyst 2013-01-11 13:50

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No 10-char

Dave999 2013-01-11 13:55

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1313734)
No 10-char

Ok, It's no today, but Yes tommorrow. You guys are so old school. cant handle new stuff :D great work tool for professionals.

Keyboard, Windows and android and you can boot up your favorite linux dist.

jalyst 2013-01-11 15:29

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Yup 10-char

Dave999 2013-01-11 16:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1313763)
Yup 10-char

I simply know ew you would change no to yes.

Everyone needs a super sized tablet.

jalyst 2013-01-11 17:17

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
yah 10-char

Dave999 2013-01-11 17:21

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Great!!!!!

jalyst 2013-01-11 17:51

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
goonies...

Dave999 2013-01-11 18:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1313815)
goonies...

"we are unlike!"
http://www.sonymoviechannel.com/site...jpg?1284493514

Ken-Young 2013-01-12 02:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313413)
So jolla will announce device with 80 days?

It is UNLIKEly.

gerbick 2013-01-12 07:42

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
BB10 devices will be shown and released in the next 80 days. Jolla is looking like they will cater to China first, then everybody else. But that's not rumored to be until after April.

Dave999 2013-01-12 08:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Ken-Young (Post 1313935)
It is UNLIKEly.

And why is that? They said Q1!

nodevel 2013-01-12 08:47

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313704)
You dont get it, the size will be irellevant in 3 years from NOW. drop it right now. 3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10 inch dosent matter becouse there are 10000 ways to make them invissable or pratical to use when you move.

Again, this is what I am saying - I oppose people claiming that every phone needs to be big and the next Jolla's smartphone must be that way to matter on the market.
That the size will be irrelevant is pretty much the idea - when size is irrelevant, there won't be such trends as bigger == better.


Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313978)
And why is that? They said Q1!

I personally would expect only showing a prototype at MWC, which is in Q1.

Dave999 2013-01-12 09:05

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1313979)

I personally would expect only showing a prototype at MWC, which is in Q1.

Jolla has earlier said that they probably won't attend the big events.

nodevel 2013-01-12 09:09

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313982)
Jolla has earlier said that they probably won't attend the big events.

Oh, you're probably right.

That might be a handicap, though - look what attention Ubuntu got at CES.

jalyst 2013-01-12 09:10

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1313978)
And why is that? They said Q1!

Rubbish, what is wrong with your memory & reading comprehension, seriously... :rolleyes:
They've made it very clear (explaining several times) that they'll reveal all details about it and their dev strategy in Q1.
They've also said it'll appear for purchase in Summer (Winter for Southern Hemisphere), but only in a handful of markets.
For those who don't live in one of those markets, it may also be available online-only, remains to be seen.

Dave999 2013-01-12 09:16

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nodevel (Post 1313985)
Oh, you're probably right.

That might be a handicap, though - look what attention Ubuntu got at CES.

Its not just CES. Ubuntu did a far superior job in presentation. They showed the os, they gave hands on, the teased with what they want to do. When one hidden agendas like jolla. Plus they give the devs something to look at very soon. That is far better execution than jolla. Jolla acting like rookies in the business and that means far less sold devices for them.

Samsung will probably launch its gsIV. Jolla must consider how to handle their presentation dates around the bigger vendors anything samsung does will cover jolla in dirt for months. Especially if jolla trying to sticking its head up the premium segment.

Dave999 2013-01-12 09:33

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jalyst (Post 1313986)
Rubbish, what is wrong with your memory & reading comprehension, seriously... :rolleyes:
They've made it very clear (explaining several times) that they'll reveal all details about it and their dev strategy in Q1.
They've also said it'll appear for purchase in Summer (Winter for Southern Hemisphere), but only in a handful of markets.
For those who don't live in one of those markets, it may also be available online-only, remains to be seen.

I'm not sure if you have followed the jollas so closely to be that rude. This is only one answer from jolla and it was was from Oct last year.

TechRepublic: In regards to the hardware, can you comment on anything related to the form factor of your upcoming smartphone? I’m sure my readers would be interested in hints.

Jussi: We can say that the display will definitely be more than 3.5″. I know that’s not much, but we will reveal the device later on this year.

http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/sma...i-hurmola/5868


And then it changed to Q1...

http://nokiagadgets.com/2012/11/25/j...premium-phone/

The device will be announced Q1 and shipped in Summer. Have you been sleeping under a rock?

jalyst 2013-01-12 09:47

Re: JollaMobile : Jolla continues Nokia's excellent work on #MeeGo based smartphones
 
You're the clueless one (as per usual), ranting that they said Q1 when they said no such thing for availability.


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