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I think it is very likely most people have not seen them. They may have a better chance of having seen Blackberry 10.

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And... absolutely nothing changes. Nitpicking seems to be par for the course.

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Maybe just the satanic pigeons.

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Have jolla solved the tablet issue yet? Community meeting discussed the tablet trouble?

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What tablet issue??? Jolla has no tablet issue. The tablet has been completely and successfully designed. It is ready for production and shipping right now. Jolla's only problem is that it has run out of money...

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What tablet issue? The one that you just explained. :D

So you don't think that is an issue? ITs a gigantic issue.

I guess no solution yet then. And we have no evidence that it's only money. Could be, or could be more. But who cares as long as Jolla ship it to its customers as soon as possible.

Maybe Jolla could create a campaign with Jolla laptop and put all the funding in the OS, while skip the laptop. No one sees a problem with that?

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You're kidding. Jolla create a campaign? With what money? Who will craft and run the campaign, if there are no employees?

Today, Jolla is facing an existential threat. Rearranging the deck chairs as the ship is sinking will not solve anything.

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Yeah, pretty sure that was sarcasm!!

Presumably a reference to the childish argument that goes something like this:

...which completely fails to recognise that the "software development costs" are just staff costs and are pretty much fixed. There has been plenty of communication from Jolla about the cause of the delay, i.e. hardware issues and waiting for parts and/or for the factory to finish doing other "more important" orders etc.

I'd like to hear Dave explain how he thinks those problems could have been solved by having software engineers spend their time differently, because that's where the cost is. Having those engineers not working on tablet related software features wouldn't have helped get you the tablet any sooner.

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Ofc I'm kidding. Just made a joke at the general direction of jolla managment.

Two words: Project Management.

Cut sw development in order to deliver the product. Basically, in bussniess you can't spend money you dont have even IF some counties, organztion and individuals seems to think so. If you collect money make sure to deliver or you are in trouble and get lecture by Dave999 in Some obscure thread @TMO.

Sw would be behind what we have today. Yes, But tablet would be out and Jolla would be free of customer/investor debt and could move more freely and could even launched a Sailfish OS campaign to collect money...

Damn, I'm good ;)

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Not sure you meant those two words. The project(s) around Sailfish scaling up to a x86 based tablet, updating to 2.x and finding an ODM to make the changes to the screen, pertinent components (USB port for instance) for those modifications was done successfully.

The issue you might be alluding to that affected Jolla would be management of the financial risks in their operations. That would be where I'd consider the problem to be; not project management. That's a job of the CFO and not a PM.

The issues are complicated since effectively they are a startup in quite possibly the most exclusive duopoly of Apple iOS or Google Android. All others are fringe offers that only a very minimal amount of application and service coverage. Simply stated, you want other options, they'll be very rough and limited around the edges.

Software is what will drive the hardware. Once your lovely tablet is delivered, wouldn't you want updates or do you want each and every complaint to go unheard because you got your lovely tablet but zero support?

You are willing to gut the heart, soul and necessary organs of a company just to get your product. I'd consider rethinking your strategy. It's too "Elop-ish" - removed the software and OS devs, concentrate on the hardware, risk being irrelevant in under 2 years. Not smart at all.

If you really think about business, stocks and shares now... that's exactly what people are doing now. Should Uber really have a 3+ Billion (yes, BILLION) dollar valuation? Or should something more realistic be set? And if so, why are they spending like they're a billion dollar company but really have no assets? Their valuation allows them that strategy. Startups do not work the same way as corporations for the most part.

I'd suggest more research. They're a different beast; one I truly don't have a full grasp on to be honest myself.

You've not been paying attention to all of the IndieGoGo and Kickstarter failures. Hell, you've not been paying attention to business in general for the last 100+ years or so. Failures happen.

Jury's still out on this one...

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Yeah, I could be completely wrong. Let's assume that. :D

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In a discussion of opinions, I'd say that opposing opinions is allowed.

Still do the research Davey boy.

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Ahh...som I'm right. I knew it! :D

What research?

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Research into how startups differ from established corporations.

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I think it irrelevant for the current discussion. Please point me to where you get your Intel regarding Jolla org and setup.

Different organizations - different setup.

CTO,CFO,PM different kinds. Managers ...lots of different roles. Who cares? Any role within Jolla could have done something different and tablet would have been done and shipped. :) or it was simple impossible mission and whatever they decided within Jolla, tablet would never reach all the customers. Who knows?

My view is still, no tablet, no Jolla. Let's find the road to the Jolla tablet.

Hope to some invites or compensation this week for some backers.

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When does a start up stop being a start up?

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When the guys in this Thead say so.

To me its no differance between a startup or what ever comes next. That is how I work.

Any news about december round would be excellent. Money is needed but real time intel is hard to come by.

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I'm speaking generally; you want specifics, ask the folks that care about that kind of stuff. I'm not that person.

Agree. Use that knowledge to see where you'd might be wrong.

The people that want their products... people like you.

Quite sure the janitor totally botched the delivery of the tablets.

Some made it out.

Agree.

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When they don't require any more external funding and are self-sustaining more than likely. One round of funding derailed Jolla.

I'd consider them a startup, even after all of this time.

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My idea of a start up doesn't have janitors or tea boys, I like the idea of Marc dillon cleaning his own **** up :p

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I love your style of arguing. You posted about 10 posts in last pages of this thread with some statements and have time and was "that kind of person". But when asked where you get the intel or at least explain what did you mean by that — "not kind of person" :)

If we are going that way. You are 100% wrong and it's 100% legit info, but I do not have time to explain why :)

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So startups should not use the services they pay as part of their office rental payments?

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No, startups rent offices with cheaper rates and without such services.
That is not just a facetious remark, I have worked at a number of such startups. We did our own cleaning.

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What? Jolla don't even do their own cleaning??? What about free food and free beers?

I have the feeling we will see some invites this week...

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In the interest of fairness, the startups I was talking about employed 4, 5... maximum 15 people. Not 140.

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Some guy a couple of pages ago said he'd just completed his tablet order. Did no-one else notice?

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So jolla found some hidden money while moving office and decided to make one more tablet!

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Or they're collecting a few more completed orders so they have enough to make the small next batch they're planning. I think there are some people who've paid their taxes but not received a tablet yet, aren't there?

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I'd certainly think twice about completing my order at the moment, money for taxes could get swallowed too.

Not that I've got anything to worry about being number 8000 odd :p

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indeed, i paid the tax ($49.97- 23.09.2015) :confused:

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I honestly think if they asked for it, then you'd get a tablet. Don't forget that they were depending on their series C funding to continue, just as they did the A and the B. Now it's been delayed, their financial situation is reliably bad :)

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I wonder if something has changed with the current situation at Jolla. There are more Items available in the shop than the last months.

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Does it include desks, chairs and other office furniture?

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Awwwh! Thank you kindly sir/ma'am. I really appreciate your style of rehashing the same stuff all based on things that happened when Nokia was still shipping products we'd probably purchase and whatnot.

You're awesome!!

I just might be 100% wrong after all. At least I can admit that.

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Nope, but maybe they've found some cartons with Other Halves and Flip Cases, while they moved.

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man...... can we go back to "is water really wet"?
or a plane on a treadmill.

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Is a tablet really a tablet if no one can here you cry?

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We could. But why not focus our energy on how to get the tablet to customers?

What about a poll. Do you want the tablet or do you like it to be a contribution to Jolla?

1. I want the tablet.
2. I want full refund.
3 Im fine with some compensation.
4. I'm fine with Jolla handle it as a gift.

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