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Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

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Originally Posted by Hogwash (Post 339889)

You're kidding me, right? XMPP? That's where maemo should be headed.

If you want to make it fustercluck-proof, you can hide the 'client' as an embedded feature of the device. The chuntering masses need not be aware they're actually using some new software.

"widespread"

And I believe I already said they should try to do just that with Ovi.

Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

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Originally Posted by Kooby (Post 339830)

This is a deal breaker for me and would prevent me from buying this phone. The iPhone people corrected this after 3 years and I wouldn't want to buy a N900 to wait 3 years for MMS. Sure, it is a stone age feature but I personally don't want to email somebody a photo when I can send it directly via MMS. I believe I am not alone in saying this.

I'm exactly the opposite.

MMS might be useful sometimes, when dealing with the ignorant and/or people whose devices are from the stone age (but, even then, I prefer to tell people "I can't MMS, send it to my email address") ... but, even just looking at what MMS does, it's a stupid-person's implementation of email (the stupid-person being the one who designed it, not you for using it). Recipients, including email addresses? check. Subject line? check. Message body + media attachments? check. MMS == email designed by idiots.

Further, for any sort of attachment or media file, I want to have it stored somewhere more permanent, useful, and scalable than my handheld (with the option to download/cache it on my handheld).

All of that says to me "email it to me, don't MMS it to me".

MMS isn't just blemish on the evolution of data protocols, it's redundant to email, and email serves that function better. Any device which simply avoids implementing MMS and says "use email instead" is a device that deserves my kudos.

Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

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Originally Posted by Hogwash (Post 339889)

You're kidding me, right? XMPP? That's where maemo should be headed.

Well, XMPP for SMS.

But, for MMS, use SMTP.

That's where _all_ devices should be headed. Not just Maemo devices.

Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

this is not about reaching your fellow geek with 5+ gmail accounts, its about reaching your parents, grandparents and other relatives that may be rocking a cheap featurephone on plan and whos eyes glaze over when one start to talk xmpp, smtp, imap, pop3 and all the rest.

all they know is that a text ( not even sms in most english speaking parts of the world) or photo can be sendt to their contacts phone number with little effort on their part...

even apple, whos marketing seems able to convince people to adopt just about any idea of theirs, had to give up and implement mms...

Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

And copy and paste =P

Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

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Originally Posted by tso (Post 340098)

all they know is that a text ( not even sms in most english speaking parts of the world) or photo can be sendt to their contacts phone number with little effort on their part...

Which can be sent to their carrier-provided email account (last I checked, they all do that), and their phone's built-in apps can leverage that. This (SMTP/POP/IMAP) doesn't have to be any more visible to the luddites than the MMS protocol is. But the MMS based application can easily be modified to use SMTP and POP or IMAP instead of the MMS protocol.

Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

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Originally Posted by frals (Post 339865)

About MMS; feel free to help the community effort get the ball rolling on this, we have a thread about it at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32129

Actually the least you could do if you care about MMS yes/no is to vote the options at http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/mms_support/

Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

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Originally Posted by qgil (Post 340183)

Actually the least you could do if you care about MMS yes/no is to vote the options at http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/mms_support/

Well, you can't actually vote yes/no for the idea itself, just the proposed solutions.

Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

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Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 340102)

Which can be sent to their carrier-provided email account (last I checked, they all do that), and their phone's built-in apps can leverage that.

My carrier doesn't supply an e-mail acc for my phonenumber. :(

Re: Now it's official: Maemo 5 and the N900 launch!

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Originally Posted by johnkzin (Post 340083)

Recipients, including email addresses? check. Subject line? check. Message body + media attachments? check. MMS == email designed by idiots.

you named a few points that are shared between MMS and mail and say MMS is designed by idiots? i'm not getting it.

also, what really annoys me is this elitist attitude of "i don't use it, so it has to be crap". i don't use tampons, lipstick or high heels, still i don't say it's crap and should no longer be produced.

many of us still have contact with real people in a non-geek world. it doesn't matter at all how you could solve the typical MMS use cases in a Maemo-to-Maemo scenario. It matters how you to it in real life, Maemo to {any phone here} or the other way round.

This forum is full of valid, real-life use cases. Saying how you are all better than the rest of us because you use only few technologies instead of a broad variety doesn't help anyone.