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To whom is Hong Kong, Taiwan, China user, other chinese input will not be update until these country release device

https://db.tt/ERxdgb49

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wtf? So it would only be updated probably some time in Q1
Well, I hope they announce the release in Asian market in the upcoming MWC then.

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After yesterdays update, do others suffer from really long gallery application startup time? Mine takes forever to load

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nope. my gallery starts up just fine.

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It might be slow in the beginning. But that should improve.
I don't think it's related to the update. I had the same issue with 1.0.2.5 after inserting a SD card with lots of photos and some movies.

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In the article about Jolla on NYTimes mentioned in another thread there is this interesting bit:
So... after all Jolla is still targeting China.

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After my first days with Jolla I felt kinda annoyed and sceptical - I had bigger expectations, was hoping that the product will be more polished, was "angry" that some really basic functionality is missing or the implementation is crappy and unreliable. After a week with 1.0.3.8 update I feel NOW I have a phone I can use daily, leaving my N9 in my backpack. Battery live now is great on Jolla(better than N900 and N9), I am not experiencing lock screen freezes any more, there is landscape in browser(eagerly waiting for it in messages/email!), everything just got substantially better. And that is only in the span of 2 (short)months! The pace Jolla crew is moving is simply amazing!
I just had a chance to take a look at Jolla's OS update close future roadmap - in 2-3 months we will have an OS that is on par with Android and iOS(if they manage to keep the pace)! Now I feel a lot more optimistic for the future of Jolla!
Thank you sailors!

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Why resetting a Jolla removes my installed latest firmwares? Do they need us to do all this again after reset?

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I too agree that daily use of the Jolla is becoming more comfortable and is now my preferred phone.

Trouble is I will need to buy a second phone to have a spare one to hack around:)

Richard

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Suppose you get a botched firmware upgrade. Considering that we didn't get (yet) a tool to 'flash' the firmware, I think it's good that we have a possibility to start from a really clean slate and retry it again (or do the upgrade differently).
Also, it actually takes the 'factory reset' more to the letter :)

Anyway, you can e.g. open a proposal on Together and ask to have e.g. two levels of reset (if that's possible, as it works with btrfs snapshots), one that wipes only users settings and another one that brings the device back to original f/w.

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My thoughts after 2weeks with a jolla ...
1. Spiritually, it feels clean. I think that this is for several reasons... I trust jolla not to turn around and start playing sales tricks to get my money,like Apple with their proprietary hardware nonsense. I respect and align with their software development ethos far more than any other phone os company.
2. It elicits hope. Perhaps after being an n9 user for 2years this is like being released from a kidnapping, but monthly software updates! Knowing that I could actually run a future technology app! But more than that, I can extend the hardware! Beautiful! And whilst the os might still be basic without some of tricks and clever features of other os's, I've been to Finland and know that it is the home of tricks and clever features.
3. I feel in control of the Android apps-usually Android phones make me feel dirty, but on the jolla they feel like a bonus rather than that's all there is. I get their features and functionality but know I can disengage from the mess and chaos they bring.
4. Ambience is a lot better than I expected - it's more powerful than just a gimmick.
5. I would love to have Swype! This took me ages to type

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Let your voice be heard here and here then ;)

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original firmware is 1.00.5 i need to download 1.0.2.5 install it and then i am allowed to download 1.0.3.8

let say if we reset our jolla after six months of usage, we have to download six times in order to gey to the latest formware, that is annoying

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Done and done-although they took ages to type :)

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Yep, so true. I recently did a reset and couldn't believe that I had to download 1.0.25 first to get 1.0.3.8.... This definitely should be changed somehow. :)

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From what I understood, it's to make sure that you get a proper upgrade. We can't exactly time travel to fix 1.0.0.5 anymore, so..

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Where did you see the roadmap? I'd really like to see what's in their agenda for the coming months

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From email

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1.0.3.8 is good, but now my wlan is realy bad! connection problem x1000. mobile network working, thank god..

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WiFi appears to work a bit better for me with 1.0.3.8.
Fix compatibility with some routers, break compatibility with others? There are a lot of crappy WiFi routers out there, unfortunately. :(

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1.0.3.8 is quite an improvement for me also except for the 'Problem with connection' error. I don't think it's specifically a wifi issue but more of an issue transitioning between wifi access points or between wifi and 3g.

I'm guessing here but it appears to be queuing up error messages anddisplaying them in order. The process gets flooded with hundreds of messages to display.

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WiFi performance for me has gotten worse after every update, but I think the problem's with my router. At least it works most of the time.

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Some routers wifi is fixed by restarting them completely.

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@rentze
I had access to some "confidential" b2b information from Jolla, where a very clear roadmap was provided. Unfortunately I do not feel at ease sharing it openly, because if Jolla wanted this to be shared they should have done it themselves.
But if they stick to it, what is coming in next PR will be HUGE! Nearly all major "holes" will be addressed in a matter of 2-3 months according to it.

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Bug?
If someone call me, i can not tune my ringtone volume at all (vol + and -).. i think i did can in some point of Jolla's history?

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Can someone give detailed instructions how the "show presence details" works and how does it correlate to the bar seen "under the clock"?

I have several accounts with various types of statusbar-colors, and if I click the available-one top-button, one of those accounts turn to green, others stay gray , after some time another one turns to green, others still staying gray.

So it seems that If I press just some top button, the account-bars change to that state, but randomly, meaning, some time some account follows it, sometimes dont.

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The "Show Presence Details" screen, (a pulley menu from the notifications screen) does indeed correlate to the green bar under the clock. But only one of your accounts needs to be set available for the green bar to show.

You can then select Offline, away or available for all accounts. Or you can select the individual account and select even more options such as hidden and offline. This screen does NOT show if the accounts are signed in, they will just refuse to go available.

You will need to check in you accounts, on the settings screen, that you are connected. The only way to check this is to click on each account in turn and if it does not ask you to sign in then it is ok.

There is some work needed in this area still i feel.

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I spent yesterday evening playing with my Jolla (after it being in the box for last 6 weeks) and after performing 1.0.2 and 1.0.3 updates I do see increases in usability.

Unfortunately for me, two big use cases are MMS support and Bluetooth phonebook access in my car. I realise these are perhaps not as high priority for others, but to use the phone as a daily driver I need these features.

I have recently replaced the battery in my N9 and am still very much loving this phone, I hope Jolla can really be the successor.

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Thank you for your answer!

Yeah, this feel pretty unlogical to me. If u select from the top-bars, accounts try to follow it (depending if accounts are logged-in) and then that status is shown in the bar under the clock. However, what is the point of showing one status of many? feels totally pointless when multiple accounts.

By this do you mean "settings" -> "accounts" and then enabled or not? My google account 1 shows to be logged in and google account 2 not, still on the "Show Presence Details"- screen the google account 1 seems many times to be offline, and the google account 2 to be online, feels weird, or I am not understanding something.

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Maybe google is refusing multiple connections from same device?

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I love and hate my Jolla so far. I love how smooth it operates, that I can use almost all the android apps I could need and especially that in a not too far away future I will be able to get a qwerty hwkb.

What I hate however, is that right now the Jolla is completely unreliable, a thing that I hope will be fixed with the next updates. I can more or less trust the Jolla to stay connected when I'm home (though there have also been problems), but when I leave the house it's guesswork if the Jolla will conect to mobile data, if it will stay connected, if it will enter a connection loop, if it will stop working as soon as I re-enter a wifi-area and so on.

As someone who does maybe 5-10 calls and about the same amount of texts a month but uses IM daily and needs to know that he is available, that is pretty difficult, but I'm holding out for updates and hope that one day I will be able to trust my Jolla's connection like I could with the n900.

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On my device I have none of these connection problems people are talking about.
I use 2 different WLAN access points, one at work and one at home, and when I am not connected to either of them I have normal Sonera (...yuck! :mad:) 3G access.

I can freely move in and out of the networks, there's never any funny business with WLAN access or 3G access.

I do not use any android stuff or any instant messaging applications.
Hence, I believe your problems might be caused by some combination of those.

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I do not use any Android apps either. My Jolla can be fine for days but then when out and about and trying to connect to other WLANS I start getting connections problems when moving between WLANS and 3G.

I do have Facebook and Google accounts set as available though.

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So Jolla connectivity works perfectly except when you actually use it? ;)
Well like I said, I hope (and think) they will solve this in the next updates.

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I have developed a habit of switching the WLAN on and mobile internet OFF as soon as I leave an area with known wifi network and I managed to avoid most of the problems practicing this habit. I do agree it is annoying, though.

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I use networking constantly on my device, just none of the silly stuff.
My daily use pattern is web, email, ssh.
(and lots of protocols over ssh, that is.)

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I don't even try to use WLAN. Connection is just too unstable.

Doesn't really matter to me anyway though. Decent 3G pretty much everywhere I go.


No IM or social media. Hardly any Android stuff.

WLAN sucks even after fresh boot with no apps opened.

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As I have also several wierd problems that many other do not have, I am already considering to reset the device and install all updates / programs and accounts once again. I hate to do it, but I do not see any other option...

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Got to agree with you, I'm afraid. I love the idea of the Jolla phone, it is just that the current implementation has yet to live up to that idea, and after initial enthusiasm I am beginning to consider moving back to my N9 for day to day use.

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I'm doing the same... but I suppose you meant WLAN off and mobile data on when leaving an area with wifi :D