Originally Posted by marbleuser (Post 1359656)

this is indeed looking pretty good to me right now
http://www.ubuntu.com/phone

Originally Posted by marbleuser (Post 1359211)

dropping X means jolla has a large time horizon, far longer than 2 years. 2 years is a long time in the mobile world.

if they add support for xwayland, then all might be forgiven.

the fact that they're dropping X support so completely has me slightly curious. e.g. is it for 'commercial' reasons.

EDIT: NO X11=Android

Originally Posted by Morpog (Post 1359653)

...as Nemo seems to move to own QML components...

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1359654)

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The fact that Nemo needs a separate set of components isn't a good thing. It's caused precisely because Sailfish development is rather closed (even though Silica are supposedly open). And it's precisely the duplication of effort that could be avoided.
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Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1359648)

Not negative, but concerned. In short Stskeeps said that now things are closed, and future is unknown, but it's not easy to make things open. If you want, make a formal inquiry to Jolla about opening things. Did I sum it up right?

You can assume a few things (but again, these are just assumptions):
1. At the release core applications and UI will remain closed.
2. Jolla is undecided yet about future.

Why I find it concerning:
1. No sharing of effort with Nemo about UI and applications. Ideally I'd even prefer Nemo and Sailfish to merge into one. Or Nemo to become what Fedora is for RHEL (note all of them are open). With Sailfish being closed - it's impossible.
2. Harmattan pitfalls risk.
3. Disadvantage in comparison to fully open systems (Firefox OS).

I'm not trying to be negative, I'm trying to analyze the issue objectively.

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1359662)

ooh for got sake... This is ridicilous discussion. Some geeks are to much old geeks. I have used Linux for 20 years and even me realise X11 is DEADEND!

Originally Posted by marbleuser (Post 1359669)

my point is backward compatibility. access to that 20 years of development. and not via vnc. xwayland would do nicely, but they seem to have made a deliberate decision to cut off that 20 years of development.

at least we can stop talking about the contribution they're making to opensource now if it's all closed.

Originally Posted by shmerl (Post 1359654)

Morpog: Success of the product doesn't necessarily depend on it being closed. Firefox OS is going to be successful to some degree. At least I hope it will.

The fact that Nemo needs a separate set of components isn't a good thing. It's caused precisely because Sailfish development is rather closed (even though Silica are supposedly open). And it's precisely the duplication of effort that could be avoided.

Developing an e-mail client is not trivial. Even if it's just a UI. It's a serious effort. Making two is going to be twice as hard. So I see completely no point in keeping that kind of stuff closed.

Originally Posted by marbleuser (Post 1359656)

this is indeed looking pretty good to me right now

http://www.ubuntu.com/phone

Originally Posted by soryuuha (Post 1359498)

this sucks if this is true