Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

The European version supports LTE Cat13 800/850/900/1800/1900/2100/2600 (Bands 1,2,3,5,7,8,20) TD-LTE 2600 (Bands 38), so it will - at the very least - work on T-Mobile in the US (2,4,5,12,66,71).

I *hope* they don't relegate it just to the EU version (H3113), because band 28 on my Xperia X (F5121) works best in my area in the US.

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I hope that too as a bought the US version of Xperia XA2 (H3123)...

Enviado desde mi H3123 mediante Tapatalk

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No problem, here are the results I just plotted.

Now I must confess this kind of surprised me, since the results show the absolute opposite of the original assumption; indeed after the latest update the device seems to consume lot less battery than before!

Statistics don't lie, do they?
Of course it is possible that my usage pattern has somehow been different in May and June, but I don't really think so.

Here are the resulting power rundown graphs of my daily usage:

Daily power rundown of v2.1.4.14 from May 1 2018
http://swagman.org/juice/powerplot_v2.1.4.14.png

Daily power rundown of v2.2.0.29 from June 1 2018
http://swagman.org/juice/powerplot_v2.2.0.29.png

Every morning the charge starts from 100% and diminishes during the day, the different lines show different days but you can obsrve how the graphs of July decrease visibly slower than the graphs of May.
(There is one exception in the July group, and that is the very first day after the update)

Both charts are plotted on same normalized axis, the x runs from 0 to 19 hours (power status is saved every 10 minutes)
In reality I had to cut one day from the June chart since it ran longer than the 19 hours which was maximum on the May data.

Here are the data files for your covenience;
chartdata_v2.1.4.14
chartdata_v2.2.0.29

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The data doesn't lie! Thanks for logging @juiceme!

I think I'll reflash and let it settle before doing my tweaks and changes. :D

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Before reflashing, have you checked in TOP?
After the update contactsd was running wild on my X and the only way to keep it from clogging a whole cpu at 99% was to remove the contacts.db database and let it rebuild.
A very old tjc question brought me to the solution
Might be worth a try before reflash. Also note it can take some hours for the DB to fully recover. I thought the problem persistet even after killing the DB. But aftzer some hours the device finally settled down.

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Hey @mosen, great idea! I'll check that in the morning. Haven't really looked at top (or any other metrics, really... been busy with work). Will report back!

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Juiceme is notorious Androidphobe, so he does not have Alien Dalvik installed. It's worth considering could Alien Dalvik be the culprit in this update.

I haven't myself noticed anything dramatic, but my gut feeling is that I'm plugging the phone more to power it.

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I share your gut feeling!
Also dalvik apps start up noticably slower and crash more often (for me). An easy to try example (i am looking for confirmation) is whatsapp camera on xperia x. It crashes the whole system to a reboot after some seconds...
But maybe it is only Jolla telling me i should better ignore customers that try to contact me over whatsapp :D

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Thanks, @ajalkane, @ mosen, indeed that was a thing I kind of forgot to include in the details (since it is obvious to most peolple who know me by reputation :D)

Indeed the day that I would put Android anywhere near my devices has not materialized yet, and hopefully will not dawn soon!

My data is of a pure SFOS installation, not poisoned by the Dalvik layer. :cool:

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Massive activities features on Mer-Core look like SF III will be a Jumbo-Release :)

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Any detail on what you would expect, based on what you can see?

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I share that sentiment. I installed alien dalvik once, uninstalled it ten minutes later. Still felt dirty so I reflashed and spent fifteen minutes bathing in isopropyl.

Pure Sailfish, please!

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I have to agree with a lot of the sentiments on here about android, but unfortunately there are some apps I want to use that will not work without the android support, like GoPro Control. I have not installed google play(I hate google with a vengeance) and install apps after downloading the apk via an apk download util.
I am having issue tho. I have a sony xperia x which I installed sailfish on and it is updated to the latest version. The android apps seem to not be able to access the wifi or bluetooth even tho native apps work fine. The apps dont complain, just dont connect :(:( and I have tried a few apps. I have did a search but I did not get a convincing answer, I may have missed something.

Any suggestions?

Thanks

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I wonder if it is to do with google play, these apps do say that they might not work properly or will not run without google play (or is that just a play to make you install it??).
It really peeves me that all these apps are so tied in with google play, facebook, sign in or similar, I would prefer to pay for these apps than have to sign in or use google etc!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
So I wonder if google play is the problem, or lack there of????

Thanks

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Hmm, just by googling "gopro control github" I got tons of links to the GoPro API and open source implementations.

Don't tell me you need Android for that; just make an SFOS native version for the controller and you'll probably get lots of good karma for it :D

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Well, sounds easy...but after trying the SDK, which didn't install on Windows 7, I found already difficult (actually I didn't manage to do it) to make the examples run on the Sailfish VM. And the official documentation is not even updated with the latest version screenshots.

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Android apps under AlienDalvik cannot configure WLAN or Bluetooth.

Hence any app trying to do that (e.g. WiFi analyzer) silently does nothing, when trying to.
Note, all other functions of such an app are usually not affected.

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You are correct there; the documentation is somewhat dated on some areas. And one has to jump between different places in documents/wiki/google to sort out some things.

About the SDK not working in windoze; cannot really help you there as I only have ever used the linux version. For me the examples and all projects that I have tried do work correctly when I have built them.

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OK thanks. Will they ever be able to in the future?

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While they may not be able to configure WiFi, bluetooth etc, Definately they can use WiFi and cellular data.

Bluetooth i didnt test.

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Good day, All,
Trying to join your ranks but as feared this "step by step" install procedure is absorbing way too much of my time.

Problem is that the instructions are as if written down by somebody who knew them by heart but did not bother to verify them for mistakes , updates and structure. Is this a nerdiness test or what is it? Sad.

Now where I am stuck, maybe you recognize the problem and will be so kind as to offer advice: both on MAC OS as on Windows I am stuck at the fastboot command that is given by Sony.

fastboot -i 0x0fce oem unlock 0x<insert your unlock code>

replaced the <insert your unlock code> with my unlock code, no space between unlock code and 0x.

MAC OS: Result: "fastboot: invalid option --i"

Windows 10, command given as .\fastboot.exe -i.... Result: "FAILED (remote: Command did not succeed) "




Sony cynically adds:

Verify that you get an answer back without any errors.

Done! You have now unlocked the bootloader of your device.


Yes I verified if the answer did contain no errors. It did. Now what, Sony?
Yes, my boot loader is unlockable.

I guess I am NOT a developer not worthy of Sailfish X.

Thanks for any help, in the meantime, if I get to solve this by myself will post. Search on Jolla together did not bring any reply on fastboot issue.

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So close but note the bold bits - looks like you have a double-dash :)

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

Thanks for trying to point to an obvious mistake, but I correctly typed : fastboot -i. I verified the wiki page for fastboot: "-i" IS a valid option.

The double dash is as given by the resulting error code, not the actual command.

Re: Sailfish OS (officially) on Sony Xperia devices
 

you can omit this '-i 0x0fce ' part
it is to specify the exact connected phone. doesn't matter when you connect only one phone

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OK, I got my Xperia X unlocked with the Sony given fastboot command, after moving from MacOS to Windows 10.
In windows the error was clearly my mistake as I got 2 digits switched in the unlock code resulting in (remote: Command did not succeed) On MAC OS this was not the case as direct copy / paste from Sony website.


The odd error on MAC OS hasn't been solved and I stand by my comment about carelessly written procedure for MAC OS: for example:

Install Homebrew using instructions on this link.
"brew tap caskroom/cask brew cask install android-platform-tools"

The above are 2 commands given as if they were one.
How are non-experienced users going to finish installing the android-platform-tools and if they ever do , how to get rid of them after they are no longer needed?

Ok now over to Sailfish OS :) Have a good day all, will be back complaining about missing parts later , hehe..

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I tried to find the fastboot command I used from the history files but could not... I think I did it on a machine that's not reachable from where I am now.

However I am fairly sure I did just "fastboot oem unlock <code_from_sony>"

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I wonder which version of android the SailfishOS 3.0 will upgrade to, some of my banking app are telling me that my phone will not be supported soon.

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Also wondering. Just installed Sailfish X, found out that Wire secure messenger is not working (installs but can't log in).

Yeah right, boycott or tax Orange juice and Harley Davidson but leave Silicon Valley untouched, that will surely speed up the development of a European integrated OS + messenger application after the 2009 Skype + Nokia tandem got broken up by Microsoft.

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the command is fine (as others say, if its the only connected phone, you dont need the -i 9x0fce)

1. Have you enabled OEM unlock in developer options.

2, Try another cable

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This is important - some USB cables that come with phones are "charging only", i.e. they don't pass through the data lines.

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Yes that I had noticed. But some of these apps are not that clever to realise I have already connected to the device outside the app! :( Not that that is particularly a clever thing!

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Heh, you are talking about Android apps here, and mention "clever" in the same sentence :p:p:p

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Is this the kernel source for the XZ2 Compact?
https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/device-sony-tama
https://github.com/sonyxperiadev/device-sony-apollo

Then why it's missing from this list?
https://developer.sony.com/develop/o...functionality/

Jolla, please, please, please make it your next device. It's 65 mm wide!

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After a week on Sailfish X latest edition:

Impressed:

-refreshing display quality.
-smooth Sailing fish compared to sluggish stock Android 8.0
-battery life when mobile hotspot enabled
-Camera picture quality. Not so sharp but plenty of detail and good colors.Better than expected.
-speed of everything even though resources are sucked for Android virtual machine
-call quality
-price paid for the whole set: 50 USD for Sailfish and 80 Euro for the phone.


-not impressed:

Sailfish 2.0 design choices:
-row of main icons (phone, contacts, messages) jumps to top row, why?
-minimized apps, press icons: used to be swipe now press: result: too many false presses (ok I am pressing it in wrong area but.. once learned swipe is preferable, why not make option for both)
-profiles take way to prominent place, should be giving place to more useful action
etc..
-Interface summarized: not as intuitive as Nokia 9 Harmattan interface, too many moves required this makes itsself feel in busy situations where useless circling around is often a result.

-unlocking phone is a hassle: no double tap, fingerprint sensor does not work (registering fingerprints works somewhat, unlocking not, might be hardware issue)

-keyboard key placement: types "." instead of "space" between every word

Essential telecom features missing:

-Wire messenger Android does not work (hope to see this fixed with Sailfish 3 android upgrade - please Jolla get your act together suck some fund from Europe to integrate services such as this and fight back)
-no integrated SIP account, how is this even possible?

-SD card 32GB format to EXT4 in device menu does not work



Native apps wearing thin:
-Cutespot no longer maintained
-No Firefox after all this time?

OK and so so:

-at least I can listen music / call with my BT Senheisser Momentum headphones. But more easy to distort than other modern phones.


I like he device form factor (within the dislike of the obligatory candy bar concept of phone), the OS, waited a while to get Sailfish X issues sorted out, only to find now core features are still missing.

So still waiting more since 2010 on something really exciting to come into realization.

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@ste-phan
Thanks for your detailed post. Note that for me:
- fingerprint works ok to unlock the device even if sometimes it takes time to have it working properly + it works only if you have first clicked and swiped once which is not great
- I have a microSD card 128GB using EXT4 that works perfectly fine
- Firefox is underneath the Sailfishos web browser but the engine lags behind the latest firefox. Otherwise you have to use the android version of Firefox (which works perfectly fine). And you can use also some other natives web browser in SFOS such as webcat (webkit-based).
- not working double tap is unfortunate but it can work in other devices under SFOS as you probably know (there is a sort of hardware issue - or at least not compatible with current software - with Xperia X afaik)
- SIP account. The software is in place. It is mainly a problem of proper integration in UI and more testing. I believe someone already could have it working without too much hassle (check maybe https://sailfishmods.de/)

Hope it helps

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How you get work sd ext4 on xperia x? :)
I am not using sd card on my device because is not supporting ext4 partially, vfat not make sense.

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Whaddya mean wake-on-doubletap does not work?
I've had XperiaX from the day it launched and it has worked on all SW versions...

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huh, of course ext4 works on XperiaX...

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Then why is not worked on my side? how many GB in ur sd card? what brand sd card? from what sailfish version are using ext4?. you did some hack?
Other user here using ext4 in xperia x? :confused:

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The master of Files-Systems @olf can you too confirm this? :)