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pursueky 2010-10-24 01:35

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
peter ,when could we get the lrc show ?

also another update ?

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-10-24 14:41

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by pursueky (Post 849116)
peter ,when could we get the lrc show ?

also another update ?

We're getting really close with that massive update we've been promising. Lyrics, however, won't be a part of it. There is no legally safe way to provide lyrics for free -- we've investigated thoroughly. We did get the rights to lyrics recently however and are looking at how best to monetize that. I'll take a poll on what you guys prefer:

- small recurring (monthly) fee
- single bigger payment
- ads

The bad thing about ads is that they'd probably wind up pretty much everywhere in the player, not just when using lyrics. The good thing about payments is that if you don't want lyrics the existing features are is still free. Also, it'd be helpful to know what you guys would be willing to pay for lyrics. We need to figure out if we can break even on this and if it's worth doing.

fms 2010-10-24 15:24

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 849517)
The bad thing about ads is that they'd probably wind up pretty much everywhere in the player, not just when using lyrics. The good thing about payments is that if you don't want lyrics the existing features are is still free. Also, it'd be helpful to know what you guys would be willing to pay for lyrics. We need to figure out if we can break even on this and if it's worth doing.

You can only show ads in the lyrics display. Actually, it makes more sense, as the lyrics display does not need to show the whole player UI, so you can show a decently sized ad there (or two, top and bottom).

peter@instinctiv.com 2010-10-24 15:37

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by fms (Post 849547)
You can only show ads in the lyrics display. Actually, it makes more sense, as the lyrics display does not need to show the whole player UI, so you can show a decently sized ad there (or two, top and bottom).

Not so fast :) The problem is that we have a minimum payment we'll owe for the lyrics and a per lyric payment. Showing ads only in the lyrics section probably won't cover it so we'll have to slather the ads on in pretty much every part of the player. (If you can't tell, I hate ads ;))

hellnick 2010-10-24 16:20

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
I would pay NOT to have ads... but only if I can have crossfade. Really don't care about lyrics.

richwhite 2010-10-24 16:28

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Ugh, not ads! I hate it about iPhone and Android. Not everyone wants lyrics anyway so those who do want it should just be able to pay a small amount towards it like we do for other apps

travik 2010-10-24 16:36

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by richwhite (Post 849619)
Ugh, not ads! I hate it about iPhone and Android. Not everyone wants lyrics anyway so those who do want it should just be able to pay a small amount towards it like we do for other apps

Agreed. Ads are nasty. I would especially be inclined to pay for lyrics if robust multilanguage support was included; other lyric programs Ive used never seem to pull up stuff for my non-English music.

YoDude 2010-10-24 16:39

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by peter@instinctiv.com (Post 849517)
We're getting really close with that massive update we've been promising. Lyrics, however, won't be a part of it. There is no legally safe way to provide lyrics for free -- we've investigated thoroughly. We did get the rights to lyrics recently however and are looking at how best to monetize that. I'll take a poll on what you guys prefer:

- small recurring (monthly) fee
- single bigger payment
- ads

The bad thing about ads is that they'd probably wind up pretty much everywhere in the player, not just when using lyrics. The good thing about payments is that if you don't want lyrics the existing features are is still free. Also, it'd be helpful to know what you guys would be willing to pay for lyrics. We need to figure out if we can break even on this and if it's worth doing.

Quote:

...it'd be helpful to know what you guys would be willing to pay for lyrics.
Not a dime. :)

I don't need lyrics and I don't want a Karaoke machine. You do make a mighty fine portrait mode Media player for the N900 though and I'm hoping you can monetize the profile information that an Instintiv user generates to cover your costs and produce a profit.

I would pay for a stand alone program or add on that would allow me to edit the album art that is associated to individual songs.

I would think others, (including myself) would pay a small fee for a variety of modules or add ons like "Cross fade", "Equalizer", and other DSP settings. :)

richwhite 2010-10-24 16:40

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by travik (Post 849629)
Agreed. Ads are nasty. I would especially be inclined to pay for lyrics if robust multilanguage support was included; other lyric programs Ive used never seem to pull up stuff for my non-English music.

Definitely, ads make it feel cheap and a commodity. I love that none of my apps have ever displayed an advert, when i saw one of my Hero I couldn't believe it.

Peter, if ads enter Instinctiv, I will uninstall it, and i doubt i'm the only one. I don't want to, because i think once it's updated it will be amazing and i will use it as default, but not with ads. Please, put the lyrics addon in Ovi with a one-off fee and people will buy it.

festivalnut 2010-10-24 16:52

Re: Ovi Store - Instinctiv
 
noooo no ads, and i have to say i wouldnt pay for lyrics either, they'd be a nice addition but not worth paying for. perhaps a function to incorporate lyrics we have acquired elsewhere?
(then perhaps someone could generate a script for auto fetching seperate from instinctiv)


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