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I found that I had also somehow unsubscribed from this thread, which strikes me as VERY odd.

Anyway, hopefully I will have time this long weekend to rebuild sulu's image with the extra files and re-publish on qole.org.

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So, there are already two of us unsubscripted for reasons unknown. Bug?

Anyway, I tried to create archive with my config files related to ED, but it resulted in blazing ~16MB, mainly due to chromium temporary files, databases erc., also located in /home/user/.config/chromium. Same apply for LibreOffice (or OpenOffice) files, including sketches of my personal documents, etc.

Does anyone know an easy way to post it, without - at the same time - providing users unnecessary cache of web sites visited by me, my cookies, encrypted password cache (sic), or other things? Of course, i mean other way than manually examining every file?...

BTW, wouldn't chromium, LibreOffice etc. rebuild it's config files to default, in case of lacking them? Maybe it's important to only post lxde, pcmanfm and things like that?

I would really like to allow people hassle-free usage of my image (which may be felt - by many users - as preferred, due to already included LibreOffice instead of old OpenOffice, and fast Chromium instead of slow Iceweasel, + LXDE panels tweaked to fit N900 as much effectively as I was able to), yet, this whole config things start to become more complicated than work on image itself.

Of course, it's probably just me and my lack of knowledge, so any hints really appreciated.

/Estel

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My subscription was still ok.

LibreOffice works fine from your image.
Chromium also works, but it didn't have your customisations, and since these improve usability a lot, I would appreciate them being included. (I did try to recreate them, but I'm not sure I got it right, it's kinda slow at times)

Agreed. While I was amazed how well Easy Debian worked on the N900, it still is a matter of compromise, so any tweaking helps.

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As is mine. It seems just the more important people were unwillingly unsubscribed. Sabotage, I say. :D

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Ok, I have uploaded the new sulu image in place of the old one. The panels now work correctly, including the very cool orientation turn icon. But the portrait mode is 'upside down' for me. No big deal, though.

I'm proud to say I did everything on-device, including lzma and upload to qole.org.

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Things for chromium were posted here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=2568

...And, just for convenience, .desktop files for Maemo:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=2573
...allowing hassle-free launching of Chromium and LibreOffice via regular shortcuts.

As for the latter, it can't be included in image (except for some post-first-chroot magic?), qole would need to add it to chroot package, like he did with OpenOffice and Iceweasel in old versions of ED.

For Chromium extensions, I don't have idea for good way of including them, without making it mandatory - IMO they're a must-have due to drag'n'drop scrolling, but I imagine that few people may don't like it.

/Estel

// Edit

I'm currently packing config files without ones from LibreOffice and Chromium, will post it here in minutes.

// Edit 2
Here it is (see attachment).

qole, Your version of sulu's image also contain /home/user totally separated from Maemo one, as You suggested (via script) some posts ago? Do You feel, that You could also re-build and "approve" my image the same way?

By the way - it is perfectly safe now, to perform apt-get upgrade (and apt-get update, obviously) - repositories are set - by default - to contain Squeeze and squeeze-backports. It's a month already from latest image, so You may find some updates available, and it's perfectly safe to perform.

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Thank you for LXDE config,10 times more convenient than my fast setup. Already had chromium running with scrollbars anywhere, but scrolling is sometimes slow and laggy... Estel, hows the performance on your device?

It's just not how I expected the performance to be. I expected a little bit more "smooth" scrolling. Would using a partition, increase the performance much?

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In my case scrolling is generally smooth as silk - and for sure, isn't worst after installing (and configuring) scrollbars anywhere. BTW, it's also worth to install smallest possible modification, that disables scrollbars - we aren't using then anymore, so it's a gain of few additional pixels for web content (just like in microB - unfortunately, I wasn't able to find extension, that hides scrollbars but show them during scrolling only...)

I'm also sure, that using dedicated partition helps performance *a much* - and if I remember correctly, someone in this thread already proved this by measurements.
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As it was some time since last discussion, for people that may be confused a little - best way to open hidden bars in my LXDE config, is to tap just a little *outside* screen. Due to our resistive screen's characteristic, for LXDE it perfectly simulates a motion to the edge of screen. This way, we can use such big, finger/stylus friendly icons (or even bigger, if someone feel it fancy).

/Estel

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Looks like I have about the same performance as mr_pingu with Chromium, scrolling is sometimes smooth, but often laggy, I certainly do not think it is a full replacement for Opera or MicroB. And I do use a partition.
I also had higher expectations after reading Estel's experiences with it.

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Also, consider using swap *only* on microSD, and using *internal* eMMC partition for ED (eliminates plentora of I/O conflicts on eMMC). If all of those is valid, maybe You have some memory-hungry widgets or whatsnot? I'm quite minimalistic in that matter, so my "standby" memory footprint is relatively small. On the other hand, full-fledged browsers like Chromium are memory hogs, so every megabyte saving You from using swaps count here.

BTW, of course, preferences wary - for me, opera isn't any alternative to microB or Chromium via ED (any single of them).

/Estel

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I will get Estel's config files put into the image and re-uploaded.

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Estel: what is the mysterious broken icon on the top panel?

http://qole.org/images/Estel-LXDE.png

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it is supposed to be (upgraded) orientation-switch. It *should* have proper icon, and result as switch between landscape, portrait, and portrait with virtual keyboard on-screen.

I suppose, that it's non-functioning at all, eh? It must've been something that also diden't live through image transfer. I'll try to search for script/icon and post it here in a moment.

Thanks for putting work into it and spotting errors!

/Estel

//Edit
Here it is (see attach.)! Sorry for troubles.

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I just started trying to dist-upgrade ED to Wheezy. I did not plan to release it before Wheezy is frozen but you have a point here that might make me reconsider that.
My intention was to create a very minimal image, mainly only consisting of LXDE and audio.
The idea was that somebody else with basic knowledge in Debian administration could easily remaster that image for end-users without having to throw out too much "sulu-specific" bloat.
Give me another week or two and I may be able to come up with an image where you can install a recent version of Iceweasel, Chromium or whatever! But since it will be a Testing image you'd have to use it with caution - usually the same caution that always comes with running Testing.

I know no easy way to do that. But I always thought that it might be prudent to separate ED config files from Maemo config files. This could be reached by not bind-mounting Maemo's .config directory into ED. This on the other hand might bring other side effects that I haven't considered yet. Any thoughts on that?

I think so. At least for chromium I know that's the case. Essentially my config archive only contains LXDE-related stuff.

I totally agree. Do you remember which "bugs" your image had (and probably originated in mine) that should be addressed in a new release? I remember the missing /etc/groups.

I know. I did that intentionally because I always felt Maemo's portrait mode to be upside down. ;)
But for the sake of consistency it's most likely better to have ED portrait mode in the same direction. I will keep that in mind for my next image.

If you want to change that on your own have a look at the orientation script (/usr/bin/orientation afair)! There you'll find xrandr commands where you'll just have to replace "left" with "right" (or vice versa, I'm not sure anymore).

As for the cool icon, could somebody please post the icon alone including it's full path? Personally I don't care for the icon but it would make sense to have it in my next image if it's really used the way I have in mind.

If that means what I think it means I might have missed an important development. Can I have a link to that discussion please?

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debbie vs. chroot

A quick question:

When I start Chromium with debbie (or from within LXDE), it never remembers my preferences. But if I start it in chroot, everything works fine.

Any ideas what is going on?

Here is the output when I start chroot.


/sbin/debian: /home/user/.chroot: line 1: : not found
Chroot dir specified: /.debian
/media/mmc1/ed-squeeze-final.ext3 specified in ~/.chroot
/.debian has a qmount already!
/media/mmc1/ed-squeeze-final.ext3 already mounted on /.debian...
Everything set up, running chroot...

Thanks in advance.

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sulu, if you are building a new image, please start with the one at qole.org. I have added the script that unmounts the Maemo /home/user directory (but keeps the MyDocs directory mounted), so that it uses the configuration files from within the image instead of the Maemo ones. This means that all of your settings will be maintained on all installations.

This is the method I used:

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Don't get it wrong way, but it is attached to the post before Your post: ;)
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=2653

Good luck with Wheezy, it would be awesome to have such up-to-date version fully working, as with Squeeze!

I'm quite convinced, that You've started Chromium as root for the first time, so it's created it's config files with write permissions for root only. You need to manually delete chromium's config files and start it again as user ('debbie' method) - it will re-create config files - or, if You're sure that You know which file require what permissions exactly, You can manually chmod them (not recommended).
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qole, dumb question mode again - will using You script (to separate Maemo's and ED's config files) on already populated image, cause need to move every ED's config file from /home/user/.config to ED equivalent, manually?

BTW, do You plans to do same thing to sulu's and mine image, before posting fixed versions of both?

Thanks for Your expertize and work on fixing Squeeze images, again.

/Estel

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That seems strange to me! First you mount Maemo's $HOME from the Easy Debian scripts in Maemo and then you unmount it again from within Easy Debian.
I see the advantage of not having to update the Easy Debian package, but it seems like a bad idea as a permanent solution to me.

I see three possible permanent solutions:
1. We stick with the old mixed $HOME (i.e. Maemo's $HOME mounted).
2. We go for two separated $HOME's by removing the mount command from the package's script.
3. We make this mount line optional, either via a comand line switch, a config file or some other method.

I'll vote for 3. but since I can't fully foresee the consequences (different settings leading to different side effects making support harder) I'd prefer 2. over 1. as a fallback.

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I prefer option 2, while configs remain separated the mass storage remains accesible in both.

Everytime I need a file from maemo in easy debian, I always stored it in MyDocs, besides I think it's cleaner to have them separated.
Imagine: What if you have installed program x in maemo and in ED, do they share the same config then?

Estel, I couldn't get your orientation switch working. chmod'ed +rwx
the binary but LXDE wouldn't want to update it's icon nor change orientation when clicked on...

Some offtopic: I have another maemo chroot, I always use qchroot and quserchroot to chroot into it, but I would like to have acces to the real MyDocs. What do I need to do to make that happen, looks like I need a small script for that?

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Damn, by placing proper .desktop icon in correct place inside ED image, You - basically - create program shortcut (available from LXDE panel). .desktop file is pointing to correct file in /usr/bin (orientation script), and to correct icon. You should be even able to remove this icon from panel, then, add it again manually from scratch, as it's listed in Ed programs shortcuts.

So, what could go wrong in Your case? Are You sure, that location of all files are correct, i.e. no 'duplicated' paths, etc?

Anyone else having this problem?

/Estel

// Edit

I also think, that sulu's proposed option 2 is best - if someone want shared $HOME, she/he can always set it in script executed on every chroot. Default settings should be different home's.

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For most users that's true. But some people (including me) have switched the home and MyDocs partitions. Except for the very few cases of taking photos with my N900 I practically don't use MyDocs.
But these are special cases and Maemo's home can still be mounted elsewhere.

Theoretically yes. For example I have Chromium installed in ED and Maemo and since the ED version is newer the Maemo version always complains about some incompatibilities (but otherwise works fine).

What happens if you call /usr/bin/orientation manually from within roxterm?

Basically all you have to do is mount it somewhere just like it is done in ED. Suppose you want to mount it to /mnt in your chroot and your chroot directory is /home/user/chroot just run this in Maemo:

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With the older images I was able to use a modified keboard which works under maemo and have óćą etc. in ED. Now with Estels image the keys don't work. I did the setxkbmap pl and did the locale but still there are no Polish keys. How can I fix it?

Edit:

The solution is there in this topis :)
I even asked for the same thing
sudo synchroot is the trick :)

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Hi all, I'll have Estel's image up soon. I ran out of time on the long weekend and life overtook me.

I like the method I've posted for separating the home directories, because it is very image-specific. You can set it up per-image. The default script mounts the home directory, but this behavior can be modified, depending on which image is mounted. It is also 100% backward compatible with all previous images, which I like, because I don't want to upload a new version of the package.

Estel's orientation icon in the .config files that he posted is broken, it points to some strange help .desktop file in .config. I have fixed it to point to the proper .desktop file in my version.

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Ok, new Estel image on qole.org. Please download and troubleshoot!

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I have had a few problems with the new Estel image:
I first reconfigured the locales to pl (maybe this was my mistake)
Then I've tried to put @setxkbmap pl but the file didn't want to save. (I've opned it from within ED)
Also when I was trying to write @ it gave me the TAB

So I opened the file to put the setxkbmap pl line from the chroot and then it worked. After that I did sudo synchroot from maemo xterm and now it seems that it works.
Is it normal that I can't see the panels inside ED? I have to touc the edge o the scren to see them. Is it a space savieur?

Also there is no image on the upper panel like here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=2652

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To have Your Maemo's keybinding inside ED, You need to copy /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 to same place inside Your image - most likely (when You've image mounted, i.e. ED started) /.debian/usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51

Before doing so, You may consider examining rx-51m already bundled inside image - it contains 99,99% of keys from big computer keyboard, including F1-F12 mapped to upper row. As for @, it is blue arrow + shift + space, due to bug not allowing mapping TAB for above combination.

I decided to bundle sophisticated remap inside image, to give people full-button acces out of the box - for ones that wan't to use own keymap, copying rx-51 is only method anyway, so it doesn't hurt anyone.

Yep. This way, You have full screen (well, without 2 pixels) available for programs, at the same time, having big, stylus/finger friendly icons on panels. Of course, You may disable hiding them, and/or make icons smaller/bigger - everything is customizable. As it was mentioned few pages ago, best way to bring panels is to tap just *outside* screen, near the edge, where panel is to appear - it's like having 2 new touchpad buttons :)

No idea, maybe, while fixing it, qole forget to include icon (provided by me with "broken" .desktop file and script itself) inside image?

/Estel

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For those trying to install E17 (Enlightenment) as per instructions from here, the sources.list is a bit outdated and needs some fresh juice.

Package repo's
--------------
Get some key, add the corresponding repo to your list, save it

Now add the repo's to your sources.list

as well as

and

Save your sources.list file, update and follow the instructions as posted by maddog.

EDIT: As sulu mentions, don't forget to turn them off again once you're done installing enlightenment. They will break things at some point if you forget.

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What's that "rotation switch" supposed to do? On the new uploaded image I still got that red cross and no visible function...

Yeah what's with the repo's? I used to find aircrack-ng there(old images), now it seems gone

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Don't forget to disable that entry again after installing e17!
Otherwise things may break. Audio and Keyboard layout in Easy Debian WILL break if the corresponding packages (pulseaudio & xkb-data) are upgraded for some reason.

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Does calling /usr/bin/orientation from roxterm show any result?
That's what the icon is supposed to do.

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Yes that works, it rotates the screen portrait ;)

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Ok, then it's not my fault and you can blame Estel and/or qole. :D

Seriously, please have a look at the file: /usr/share/applications/orientation.desktop
There you'll find this line: Exec=/usr/bin/orientation

If that's true the panel starter should work, even if the icon graphic is missing. If it doesn't add a new starter pointing to: /usr/share/applications/orientation.desktop

Edit:
Do you have an "Orientation" starter in LXDE's menu? If so, does it work?

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So how to have Polish letters on hw keyboard with your image and without tinkering anything with the rx-51 file?

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You can probably blame me, I must have uploaded the wrong image. Arggh! Sorry, will fix tonight.

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Ok, sorry for the false alarm!

The correct Estel image is now posted on qole.org... It includes the orientation icon and the chromium grab+drag plugin that Estel suggested. I also compacted it as much as possible, to improve the download time.

Here it is.

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http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=598
This seems to be case for thing that was bugging me for ages - MyDocs not mounted automaticaly, after using mass-storage mode. It's worth to add, that after such event, next try of mass-storage doesn't work at all.

I have Easy Debian mounted all the time (automaticaly during boot), as I don't want to have longer starting time for ED programs, and I use them very often. So, I can 100% confirm that ED is the case here.

Any ideas why it's like that, and how to fix it? AFAIK, it's happening no matter of image used.

IIRC, just use shift+blue arrow + a for dead_ogonek (so, You have to press letter You want to merge with ogonek *after* that, or press space, in case You want to have ogonek itself. It works the same way for dead_accute (shift + blue arrow + c)and dead_abovedot (blue arrow + z). Lstroke is invoked directly by shift + blue arrow + l, as there is no working dead_stroke :( (unfortunately).

Yet, I strongly encourage everyone to use own, preffered keyboard mapping, by copying RX-51.

/Estel

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It is quite important that you issue a "sudo closechroot" (or use the icon) before connecting the USB cable for "Mass Storage Mode".

The Easy Debian mount definitely interferes with the USB mode.

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Been trying to download 'Estel' image file since yesterday...usually what happens is that file downloads partially and then process stops....best I've done is last night where it downloaded almost all the file except the last 1 MB.....

Just tried again and download is stopped at about 158MBs......

Is there

A. a recommended way to do the install using the installer

or

B. is there an alternate method to do the install by downloading file onto my computer (assuming that I have better luck that way...) and then copying the file onto my microSD card and putting card into N900 and then completing install from there?

Thanks!

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The fastest option should be to download the file to your computer, extract it there, copy it to your N900 (either via USB or network) and in Maemo change the path to your image file in /home/user/.chroot

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Acknowledged, but why it's that, technically? BTW, Pali updated ke-recv recently, so maybe a workaround for that could be implemented too? Could You elaborate more?

/Estel