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minimos

2014-03-21 14:16

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by parasemic (Post 1417959)

The battery life has really started to annoy me. It about halved after Ohijärvi update, and now I have to recharge it after work if Im gonna have a long evening.Yeah, its roughly same as other smartphones, but excellent battery life was one of the unique traits of Jolla...

Did you see these findings in TJC? https://together.jolla.com/question/...lems-findings/

ggabriel

2014-03-21 15:03

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by parasemic (Post 1417959)

Mine is roughly the same if not better... no ACL, no Warehouse in my case. Dev mode on with chum repository and a lot of terminal play.

zlatko

2014-03-21 16:33

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

@ggabriel
Do you have auto-updating mail accounts?
My battery life is slightly worse, but I give that to now working scheduled update of mail accounts.

ggabriel

2014-03-21 17:15

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by zlatko (Post 1417976)

@ggabriel
Do you have auto-updating mail accounts?
My battery life is slightly worse, but I give that to now working scheduled update of mail accounts.

Yup - 3 of them every 30 minutes. Works most of the time, at least in comparison to 1.0.3.8. I also have 3 XMPP accounts, which I switch on for about 4 hours a day.

Dave999

2014-03-21 17:46

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Is it possible to get flash working in browser in sail. Im bored to use apple to be able to look at videos in safari. How did apple convince so many services to handle vids in browser? Not even android working without some woodoo...

szopin

2014-03-21 17:49

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1417992)

With firefox and flash plugin it works on jolla, wouldn't count on native solution

Dave999

2014-03-21 17:55

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by szopin (Post 1417993)

With firefox and flash plugin it works on jolla, wouldn't count on native solution

Yes. But that solution is not topnot. It like n9...why cant this not be a standard. Write. Watch video. Must be a importand usecase for users around the world? Or are the world still stuck in single task small screen activists?

Jolla might have muktitasking menu but you can still only do one time at once. Samsung have multiview and video overlay. Sony have little app concept but still noone has a solution yet...

Anyone know if jolla working on multiview concept?

ggabriel

2014-03-22 11:09

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1417994)

Jolla might have muktitasking menu but you can still only do one time at once. Samsung have multiview and video overlay. Sony have little app concept but still noone has a solution yet..

Can you explain "still only do one time at once" and this multiview that you mention, please? :)

Dave999

2014-03-22 12:49

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1418041)

Can you explain "still only do one time at once" and this multiview that you mention, please? :)

use google or utube. But basically you can place things over the browser or have two application open at once on the screen. like a video and TMO write mail or sms at the same time.

But what I really need is that all browsers can show "all" video content in browsers so you can do other thngs in browrser like anserwing polls, chat or what ever...which basically only working in iOS today :(

ggabriel

2014-03-22 13:20

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1418051)

use google or utube. But basically you can place things over the browser or have two application open at once on the screen. like a video and TMO write mail or sms at the same time.

I try to avoid google... plus I was interested to hear the problem in your own words, not somebody else's, I think the use case is covered in Sailfish, but of course it could be something more like you describe with a bigger screen. i.e., not sure you can write a post here + watch a video on a screen as small as the Jolla's or most smartphones, but you can certainly watch a video in the multitasking screen while interacting with another application's cover. My most common example is reading Tidings while watching something relatively long that doesn't require 100% of my attention.
What you say, however, is a good fit for tjc's skunkworks ;-)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1418051)

But what I really need is that all browsers can show "all" video content in browsers so you can do other thngs in browrser like anserwing polls, chat or what ever...which basically only working in iOS today :(

I can't agree more...

mscion

2014-03-23 03:48

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 1418051)

You can watch a YouTube video and browse internet at same time, but, I don't think you can, in general, have multiple streaming anymore on android (Please correct me if I'm wrong as I would like to see this!). With Ice Cream Sandwich you could watch multiple youtube videos simultaneously with certain browsers. But with Jelly Bean you can only watch one at a time. What Google giveth Google taketh away...

Edit: I think you can stream youtube and vimeo videos at same time...

Boxeri

2014-03-24 20:47

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

How in the world can I get my Jolla backup out of the device if I don't have an sd-card right now?

Found this https://together.jolla.com/question/...out-of-device/ but when I try to change the directory to something else than SD card, it refuses to make the tar

Any advice?

Code:

[root@localhost ~]# tar cf $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR/home/user/vault.tar -C $HOME .vault

tar: /run/user/0/home/user/vault.tar: Cannot open: No such file or directory

tar: Error is not recoverable: exiting now

[root@localhost ~]#

juiceme

2014-03-24 22:07

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boxeri (Post 1418355)

How in the world can I get my Jolla backup out of the device if I don't have an sd-card right now?

You could pipe the stuff out via netcat, I guess. It depends on how you are connected, but I assume you are running in recovery console, and have telnetted in from a computer via USB, right?

On your computer, start netcat to wait on a socket: (anything will doo but usually I use 8888 for random stuff...)

nc -l 8888 | tar xvf -

On your recovery console, push the vault to your computer: (now I am assuming your computer-end-IP is 10.42.66.80...)

tar -cf - /home/nemo/.vault | nc 10.42.66.80 8888

juiceme

2014-03-25 07:09

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1418367)

On your recovery console, push the vault to your computer: (now I am assuming your computer-end-IP is 10.42.66.80...)

tar -cf - /home/nemo/.vault | nc 10.42.66.80 8888

What I forgot to say, of course you need to mount your mmcblk0p28, of course. (but you already knew that, right...)

sillycrimes

2014-03-31 20:00

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

I have a few questions to you users:

Does the music player play ogg natively? Does it have support for album art? And most important of all, does it support gapless playback?

llelectronics

2014-04-01 09:14

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

It supports ogg and has support for album art.
I don't think it has gapless playback though.

ggabriel

2014-04-01 09:22

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by sillycrimes (Post 1419364)

does it support gapless playback?

Not yet, but you can vote: https://together.jolla.com/question/...yer-is-needed/

jmk	2014-04-06 14:51

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

How do i conf default browser extensions? Browser just stuck. I did install Adblock plus but cant conf it. Browser doesnt work on extensions page.

Howto uninstall extensions or reset browser?

So Back in business. Had N900 and now bought almost new Jolla for 250 euros.

m4r0v3r

2014-04-06 22:14

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

these restarts are starting to piss me off

herpderp

2014-04-06 22:48

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Just hold on a little longer! The next update is bound to fix them!

jalyst

2014-04-07 04:10

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1420155)

these restarts are starting to piss me off

Next release not far off...
https://twitter.com/zlatkoe/status/452844668917911552

Quote:

Originally Posted by herpderp (Post 1420159)

Just hold on a little longer! The next update is bound to fix them!

Sarcasm? :D

juiceme

2014-04-07 05:45

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by m4r0v3r (Post 1420155)

these restarts are starting to piss me off

Self-inflicted?

[nemo@localhost ~]$
[nemo@localhost ~]$ uptime
08:43:34 up 19 days, 22:21, 1 user, load average: 0.40, 0.57, 0.40
[nemo@localhost ~]$

Dave999

2014-04-07 06:19

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

When is the release? It's Apri. New mont. New release time. Can the release be tomorrow

?

m4r0v3r

2014-04-07 06:53

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1420192)

Self-inflicted?

[nemo@localhost ~]$
[nemo@localhost ~]$ uptime
08:43:34 up 19 days, 22:21, 1 user, load average: 0.40, 0.57, 0.40
[nemo@localhost ~]$

I wish, just the random restarts that nobody knows why they happen, seems mostly from network related issues

parasemic

2014-04-07 09:09

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

My phone has started tearing up the screen once in a while :o also, lighthouse app shows memory usage of +90% all the time even after reboot

shanttu

2014-04-07 10:43

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

So update in 7 days, same in reboots 55. Hurray!

juiceme

2014-04-07 11:46

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by parasemic (Post 1420224)

also, lighthouse app shows memory usage of +90% all the time even after reboot

Well that's how it is supposed to be, as linux uses up all the available extra memory as file cache. :D

For example, my desktop machine has 4G of RAM, however system shows only 135M of free memory, when there in reality is almost 2G of the good stuff available. Actually my Jolla shows that it has about the same amount free (133M) when it has in reality about 440M free.

juiceme

2014-04-07 11:50

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanttu (Post 1420233)

So update in 7 days, same in reboots 55. Hurray!

Wot you serious??
Do you really get on the average 7.85 reboots a day???
A reboot every three hours ????
(from your figures, 55/7...)

shanttu

2014-04-07 11:55

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1420242)

Wot you serious??
Do you really get on the average 7.85 reboots a day???
A reboot every three hours ????
(from your figures, 55/7...)

Joking a bit. On heavy usage my Jolla boots many times per hour. When on idle it mostly stays on. This is not fun, though.

juiceme

2014-04-07 12:25

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanttu (Post 1420244)

Joking a bit. On heavy usage my Jolla boots many times per hour. When on idle it mostly stays on. This is not fun, though.

Far from fun, yes. I wonder how heavy is your heavy use, and if it has something to do with your reboots...?
Or else you may have flaky HW.

for myself, I cannot say I am experiencing anything like that, as you can see above my uptime passed 20 days just few hours ago, and reason for that is i booted my device just to get to play with the recovery console a bit, so zero spontaneoùs reboots since I installed Ohijärvi.

TemeV

2014-04-07 12:30

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanttu (Post 1420244)

Joking a bit. On heavy usage my Jolla boots many times per hour. When on idle it mostly stays on. This is not fun, though.

It seems bit of a long shot for me, but have you tried this: https://together.jolla.com/question/...#post-id-36965 ?

I did that and no reboots since. Though, my reboots have been lately much more random so a few days without reboots can be just a coincidence.

juiceme

2014-04-07 12:41

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Bad / intermittent electrical connection with the battery?
Yes, I suppose that could account for all sorts of random trouble...

JiiHoo

2014-04-07 12:55

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1420192)

Self-inflicted?

[nemo@localhost ~]$
[nemo@localhost ~]$ uptime
08:43:34 up 19 days, 22:21, 1 user, load average: 0.40, 0.57, 0.40
[nemo@localhost ~]$

<dilbert topper-mode>

That's nothing:
[nemo@localhost ~]$ uptime
15:50:33 up 20 days, 14:32, 0 users, load average: 1.63, 6.49, 7.65
[nemo@localhost ~]$

</dilbert topper-mode>

Sorry, could not resist. :)

Though I wonder why my load averages were that much higher than yours. Jolla has been eating more battery after Ohijärvi came out, so perhaps some process is having party in the background.

parasemic

2014-04-07 13:01

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by JiiHoo (Post 1420253)

That's nothing:
[nemo@localhost ~]$ uptime
15:50:33 up 20 days, 14:32, 0 users, load average: 1.63, 6.49, 7.65
[nemo@localhost ~]$

Sorry, could not resist. :)

Though I wonder why my load averages were that much higher than yours. Jolla has been eating more battery after Ohijärvi came out, so perhaps some process is having party in the background.

Mitäkuuluu was updated around the same time with 'create server connection in separate thread' defaulted on. that eats a shitload of battery :p

Manatus

2014-04-07 13:20

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by shanttu (Post 1420244)

Joking a bit. On heavy usage my Jolla boots many times per hour. When on idle it mostly stays on. This is not fun, though.

Since you have so many reboots... After you have tested the paper fold supporting the battery trick, and if it does not help for you:
Does it reboot under heavy load if your phone is connected to a charger?

tissot

2014-04-07 13:36

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

If you can get any paper there, then yes you have a problem. I actually just yesterday was having trouble getting my battery out of the phone after I got the phone crashing.

As far as reboots go, my phone has been mostly trouble free. Around 3 since the phone launched.

m4r0v3r

2014-04-07 13:56

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

my reboots seem to happen when I attempt to go on any sort of network use. But not everytime I use the network

Silwer

2014-04-07 14:02

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

I have had reboots only in case I keep WIFI and mobile data BOTH on and I happen to be in bad radio coverage area (smoking room in the basement fo example). When using only one of the connection types at the time, I have no issues at all.

JiiHoo

2014-04-07 14:20

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by parasemic (Post 1420255)

Mitäkuuluu was updated around the same time with 'create server connection in separate thread' defaulted on. that eats a shitload of battery :p

I'm a bit old fashioned, so I don't have Mitäkuuluu installed. Waiting eagerly for next update & MMS, though. :)

xanderx

2014-04-07 20:56

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Is the Floppy red OH not exclusive any more? You can buy yourself the exclusivity for 29€.

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