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Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900

Wasn't the first iPhone unsubsidized for $500? I thought it wasn't until the 3G on AT&T that the iPhone became subsidized.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900

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Originally Posted by daperl (Post 322087)

Wasn't the first iPhone unsubsidized

Yes. Not only that, Apple persuaded Cingular to give them a share of the monthly fee.

Of course, it wasn't a 3G phone so it was cheaper to make.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900

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Originally Posted by eiffel (Post 322090)

Yes. Not only that, Apple persuaded Cingular to give them a share of the monthly fee.

Of course, it wasn't a 3G phone so it was cheaper to make.

Thanks for confirming. Then this would be me telling ysss' about one popular unsubsidized phone making its mark in the U.S. market.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900

@daperl: lol, i forgot about that. But you know what... at those prices ($499/$599?), the first gen iPhones were still locked to AT&T and they had to enroll in iphone-specific plans which were more expensive than other plans if I remember correctly.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 322103)

IT all boils down to this Ads , Ads , and must i say ADDDSS. Nobody but Microsoft have yet to challenge Apple when it comes to marketing. When people look at the ads they are glorified by what they see (especially here in America). I've had one person come in my store and say the Iphone is better because "we (I'm assuming by 'we' he mean fanboy) have the best copy and paste did you see the commercial" i nearly fell on the floor. Imagine this , Nokia Commercial coming up showing hypothetically quake 3 arena then after showing it all black screen saying "games", next showing the multiple desktop then black screen again "personalized", then the browser, and so forth after all the features are shown then show the n900 displaying its title "a mobile computer in the palm of your hand". I mean Nokia should do this nobody knows these phones exist without T.V . I know people who don't even know what the N95 is and it been out for what 3 years now.:D

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900

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Originally Posted by Crashdamage (Post 322047)

Very few people here would be willing to shell out the 'real' price of their phone up front, even a cheap one. Few people even know what their phone really costs - it was free or $49.95 or whatever, that's all they know or care.
Millions and millions of US users are happy with Sprint, Veri$on and AT&T and their 'deals'. They know nothing about CDMA vs GSM, never heard of a SIM card, and think smartphone = iPhone, period. Paying $650 for a Nokia(?) smartphone and having to switch to T-Mobile to use the 3G sounds totally insane to them.

The N900 will be a small niche market in the US, really do next to nothing to expand Nokia's presence here.

Elsewhere, where consumers are better informed and the world isn't run by iPhones, I expect it will do pretty well.

http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2352501,00.asp
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I think that the writer of the aforementioned PC Mag review, Sascha Segan, is quite knowledgeable and he comprehends the U.S. cellphone situation very well.....as do you, sir.
Despite the rebellious efforts of Nokia, I don't think that the situation will change anytime soon. Consider the sheep mindset of the consumer coupled with the collusion and immense lobbying power of the carriers.
Most handset manufacturers are forced to willingly jump into the foray. Nokia seems to sporadically engage.
How's the E71x doing?

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 322103)

........ at those prices ($499/$599?), the first gen iPhones were still locked to AT&T and they had to enroll in iphone-specific plans which were more expensive than other plans if I remember correctly.

Let's not forget that important facet of the iPhone saga.
And the early acceptance wasn't extremely spectacular either.
But yet, look at it now. Yes, the iPhone phonominum is due to Jobs Power, Apple Appeal, etc.etc, but let's not discredit the fact that the device is very easy to operate and it is....."cool." For the things that it does do, it simply works very well. (Inadequacies are ignored and/or put up with....and face it, we NIT users are accustomed to doing that also.)
At least now, the N900 has greatly improved those Internet Tablet UI issues. Many of us, in the niche market cocoon, will love it.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900

lets just say it, if you dress to impress your either packing a iphone or a blackberry, depending on the message being bling or solid money...

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900

I cant see the problem with carriers not subsidizing the N900.
I always buy unlocked phones and use them with my Vodafone SIM which is on contract. Because I don't take a new phone when I renew my contract the give me a discount on my monthly package cost instead, so I don't really loose out. Just because you will end up buying the N900 direct from Nokia or via an Electronic hardware/Computer supplier rather than the network carriers shop means little too me.
I think this just reflects where Nokia are pitching this device. They say its more like a computer with telephony rather that a phone with computing. I don't expect a subsidy when I buy a computer.
Now this may not appeal to the general public and limit its sales as a whole but I vote for freedom to do what I like with a device and negotiate my network contact separately.

Re: Nokia: networks may reject N900

@lagonda: unfortunately that strategy comes with the freedom to fail with your platform too, due to limited market..