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gnuite 2007-03-20 14:55

Re: Questions about the MaemoMapper
 
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Originally Posted by carbon (Post 40017)
I have a question on the way Maemo Mapper calculates the speed displayed in the upper left corner. I remember seeing a post that Maemo Mapper does not consider altitude in its calculations. I assume this means that speed is calculated for horizontal distances between gps readings. Does this mean that the speed Maemo Mapper reports when traveling on an incline is less than actual speed due to the angle? I travel in mountainous areas and was curious, not that there is any problem.

Maemo Mapper uses the speed that is reported by your GPS receiver - it does not do any calculation. Whether that speed includes vertical velocity depends on your GPS receiver.

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Originally Posted by rhackenb (Post 40023)
A related question concerns the distance covered. I assume that the MMapper does not measure the ups and downs.

Maemo Mapper's distance calculations do not take altitude changes into account.

gnuite 2007-03-20 14:55

Re: Questions about the MaemoMapper
 
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Originally Posted by fldude99 (Post 40026)
This may be in a post but sorry I can't find it. I downloaded a large amt of maps for a trip I am making to Italy and I'm sure it will work great. However when I return to home I won't need the map cache-how does one find the actual folder to delete from where it was saved? I only see numbers on the folders (many!)

You can use the "Manage Maps" dialog and select "Delete" instead of "Download".

brendan 2007-03-20 17:47

Re: Questions about the MaemoMapper
 
gnuite, i have a few ideas that i wanted bounce off you. are you open to input for new functionality and possibly a market audience to cater to?

gnuite 2007-03-20 21:17

Re: Questions about the MaemoMapper
 
I'm always open to new ideas, although I have been a little adamant about keeping Maemo Mapper lean and mean. I don't want to bloat it and subsequently turn it into what GpsDrive has come to be. (Not that GpsDrive is bad; it works great on a laptop; just not a Nokia 770/N800.)

Implementation of new ideas is also subject to my schedule. I have a full-time job, after all. :)

brendan 2007-03-20 21:43

Re: Questions about the MaemoMapper
 
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Originally Posted by gnuite (Post 40092)
I'm always open to new ideas, although I have been a little adamant about keeping Maemo Mapper lean and mean. I don't want to bloat it and subsequently turn it into what GpsDrive has come to be. (Not that GpsDrive is bad; it works great on a laptop; just not a Nokia 770/N800.)

Implementation of new ideas is also subject to my schedule. I have a full-time job, after all. :)

understood, i lay no claim to your programming schedule. not having read about/used gpsdrive, i cant say what bloat you speak of. my thoughts were more about a service oriented app.

the following are a few thoughts i had. feel free to nit-pick, critique or otherwise dismiss any or all of them...

Create a database of cities containing:

- Points-of-Interest around a city
- GPS location of POI
- street name/location of POI
- brief details of POI
- cost related to POI (admission, food, lodging, etc)
- Group category of POI
- Color association of POI
- Icons for POIs???

Predefine tours based on Group Categories, Duration of Stay, or Travel Distance
Add the ability to “string” POIs together in a “Your Tour of this City” map or add to predefined tours
Enable layered type selection of POIs, where like POIs in Group show on map when cycled through.
Draw boundaries around specific areas such as “Red Light District”, “Downtown”, “The Strip”
Color code boundaries to Group color
Icon scheme – color and image standard to follow
Date and time tracking – Point-in-Time records; local time, DST, home time, GMT
Allow user feedback and (reviewed) updates for changes in pricing/details of POIs
Include routes of public transportation, and possibly links to timetables
Integrate international transportation methods and costs, with links to/POIs of places to buy tickets.

When you download a tour package, it includes 0, 2 and 4 level maps of city, POIs and database, all other files necessary.


i was more thinking the target of this would be a backpacking student traveler, out of town business traveler or otherwise bugdet minded day tripper.

some ideas may be logistical nightmares, others might be do-able. your thoughts?

rhackenb 2007-03-20 22:24

Re: Questions about the MaemoMapper
 
As long as we are talking about new features, here is a basic one that I can't seem to find. When I make a waypoint (that is, I hold down the pointer on a particular spot on a displayed map and name the waypoint), this waypoint should go to a waypoint file that is not associated with the current track or route. Maybe I can do this already but I don't know how.

My sole experience with GPS software is the Garmin EMap. When I mark a current location, up pops a dialog to save the current location. This waypoint is saved to an waypoint repository.

From the Emap interface, I can always select a particular waypoint and tell the GoTo function to tell me how far away that waypoint is. I can also get info about the waypoint (lat/lon/elev). On the Emap, I have to actually be at the location to make a waypoint but with MMapper, I would prefer to scroll to that location, hold down the pointer and name a waypoint. This would be of tremendous use to me. This means that when I travel anywhere, the nearby set waypoints would appear on the map. If this were saved to a common waypoint file, I could also manually edit the file and add waypoints that I or others have already collected. It could either be plain comma-separated text or xml format.

Any chance that you could add this feature?

BTW, the ability of mmapper to use google street maps is invaluable. It cuts through all the crap of having to deal with antiquated and expensive proprietary map. I just wish you could also port mmapper to Linux and Microsoft Windows as well (Linux should be a breeze). This is a tremendously good tool. It is very accurate. I actually find myself being located of the right side of a street while travelling (using the i-Blue 737). I never found that accuracy with the Emap.

-- rhackenb

gnuite 2007-03-20 22:56

Re: Questions about the MaemoMapper
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by brendan (Post 40096)
Create a database of cities containing...

When you download a tour package, it includes 0, 2 and 4 level maps of city, POIs and database, all other files necessary.


i was more thinking the target of this would be a backpacking student traveler, out of town business traveler or otherwise bugdet minded day tripper.

some ideas may be logistical nightmares, others might be do-able. your thoughts?

Hopefully, I'll be able to address some of the POI concerns with a POI web service similar to the GPX Driving Directions web service. And it is certainly possible for someone else to write a web service to do these kinds of things, and I'd consider integrating that into Maemo Mapper.

Being able to package and distribute that POI data and/or map data might be dangerous, though, depending on the licensing of that data. You can't just package Google Maps data and deliver it, and the same probably goes for their POI data. OpenStreetMap, maybe...

gnuite 2007-03-20 23:03

Re: Questions about the MaemoMapper
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rhackenb (Post 40103)
As long as we are talking about new features, here is a basic one that I can't seem to find. When I make a waypoint (that is, I hold down the pointer on a particular spot on a displayed map and name the waypoint), this waypoint should go to a waypoint file that is not associated with the current track or route. Maybe I can do this already but I don't know how.

My sole experience with GPS software is the Garmin EMap. When I mark a current location, up pops a dialog to save the current location. This waypoint is saved to an waypoint repository.

From the Emap interface, I can always select a particular waypoint and tell the GoTo function to tell me how far away that waypoint is. I can also get info about the waypoint (lat/lon/elev). On the Emap, I have to actually be at the location to make a waypoint but with MMapper, I would prefer to scroll to that location, hold down the pointer and name a waypoint. This would be of tremendous use to me. This means that when I travel anywhere, the nearby set waypoints would appear on the map. If this were saved to a common waypoint file, I could also manually edit the file and add waypoints that I or others have already collected. It could either be plain comma-separated text or xml format.

Any chance that you could add this feature?

It sounds like you are talking about POIs. At the moment, you can tap-and-hold any location on the map and add a POI for that waypoint. That POI goes into a database separate from the track and route. You can then tap-and-hold on that POI (at any time) and download a route to that POI.

The functionality that isn't there, yet, is to export that POI data to a GPX file, or import POI data from a GPX file.

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Originally Posted by rhackenb (Post 40103)
BTW, the ability of mmapper to use google street maps is invaluable. It cuts through all the crap of having to deal with antiquated and expensive proprietary map. I just wish you could also port mmapper to Linux and Microsoft Windows as well (Linux should be a breeze). This is a tremendously good tool. It is very accurate. I actually find myself being located of the right side of a street while travelling (using the i-Blue 737). I never found that accuracy with the Emap.

Maemo Mapper is optimized for the Maemo platform (hence the name). I never anticipated it being more useful than GpsDrive, and thus I never tried to write it in a platform-portable way. I just figured that, if someone needed Maemo-Mapper-style functionality on their laptop, they would just use GpsDrive.

Now, arguably, you may find Maemo Mapper more useful than GpsDrive. If you really want to use Maemo Mapper on a Linux laptop, you can download the maemo SDK (or use the VMware appliance that's out there) and run Maemo Mapper inside the SDK. There is an i386 deb in the repositories, and I can provide one in the Garage, too, if necessary.

Not a perfect solution, I admit, but doable. :)

rhackenb 2007-03-21 00:07

Re: Questions about the MaemoMapper
 
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Originally Posted by gnuite (Post 40109)
It sounds like you are talking about POIs. At the moment, you can tap-and-hold any location on the map and add a POI for that waypoint. That POI goes into a database separate from the track and route. You can then tap-and-hold on that POI (at any time) and download a route to that POI.

The functionality that isn't there, yet, is to export that POI data to a GPX file, or import POI data from a GPX file.

Maybe I am talking about POI. Wouldn't know because I have never been able to successfully install sqlite3. It seems like I need Python2.4 and I have Python 2.5. Either it won't run under that version or I am missing libraries that I can't find. The eko.one.pl repository seems to keep leading me to a 403 error. Maybe if I could install sqlite3, the problem would be solved. Can anyone tell me the steps that will really work?

brendan 2007-03-21 00:16

Re: Questions about the MaemoMapper
 
mmy point was that you could package the POIs and details as ccommunity based info collected from a wiki style rating system. are the issues that i am missing?


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