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egoshin 2010-05-01 02:32

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 635728)
N900 is way too small for video consumption.

In airplane sit - it is pretty good form factor.

attila77 2010-05-01 02:36

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by ndi (Post 635488)
What I meant was that to me x86 is superior to ARM not in horsepower or anything, but because it would give me the freedom to choose my own OS, and, with it, my own app base.

If I'm a Windows user and a Windows programmer, the ability to run XP on a portable would mean everything to me, because I could run projects I developed myself, like logging on at home to check the temperature sensors and program the heating system. It's home to me, I know the apps, I know the UI, I know the little kinks.

This doesn't work. I have seen this being pitched repeatedly just to have it run headfirst into a concrete wall. X86 is (still) not mobile friendly, and XP is downright mobile suicide in all aspects, power, ui usability, size, battery life, etc. As I said, every year somebody tries to do what you say and fails miserably. Last year's attempt was the xpphone, the 2010 fail is still lurking, but I'm confident that some will take the fail-trophy this year, too..

Texrat 2010-05-01 03:47

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 635734)
This doesn't work. I have seen this being pitched repeatedly just to have it run headfirst into a concrete wall. X86 is (still) not mobile friendly, and XP is downright mobile suicide in all aspects, power, ui usability, size, battery life, etc. As I said, every year somebody tries to do what you say and fails miserably. Last year's attempt was the xpphone, the 2010 fail is still lurking, but I'm confident that some will take the fail-trophy this year, too..

Agreed. And since we've already spun off topic, to me the holy grail as a (sorry) longtime Windows developer is a Qt experience that lays the world at my feet like Visual Studio does. I don't need to run XP projects on my mobile device-- I just want an easy migration path to get them from the Windows desktop to Maemo/MeeGo.


If OPK is supporting that, keep him on. :D

gerbick 2010-05-01 04:01

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
According to the numbers, Nokia sold 100 million phones last year, right? That's a good thing. And they've not lost share in the smartphone sector, global market-wise.

And according to this site, the upcoming OS's are both good... right? That means MeeGo will get support from a larger developer base than with Maemo, right? So that's a darn good thing. Symbian is improving, got a new phone with some killer optics with the N8... and that's a good thing, right?

Then... from this idiot's perspective, what exactly are the stockholders upset about? The drop in market share in areas they don't even advertise in? Or lack of faith perhaps? I'm seriously not putting it together... and don't mind being spoonfed what I'm missing.

I won't read too deeply into the commentary from Endgadget. I'm asking you lot to make it make more sense to me. The numbers initially don't look good though.

Thanks in advance. I'm looking at the global market, not just the one in the US.

Texrat 2010-05-01 04:04

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 635755)
Then... from this idiot's perspective, what exactly are the stockholders upset about?

The decline in valuation from last high of ~ $34 per share to current ~ $13 per share.

EDIT: make that ~ $40 to ~ $12

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=NOK&t=5y&l=on&z=m&q=l&c

Laughing Man 2010-05-01 04:21

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 635755)
According to the numbers, Nokia sold 100 million phones last year, right? That's a good thing. And they've not lost share in the smartphone sector, global market-wise.

And according to this site, the upcoming OS's are both good... right? That means MeeGo will get support from a larger developer base than with Maemo, right? So that's a darn good thing. Symbian is improving, got a new phone with somee killer optics with the N8... and that's a good thing, right?

Then... from this idiot's perspective, what exactly are the stockholders upset about? The drop in market share in areas they don't even advertise in? Or lack of faith perhaps? I'm seriously not putting it together... and don't mind being spoonfed what I'm missing.

I won't read too deeply into the commentary from Endgadget. I'm asking you lot to make it make more sense to me. The numbers initially don't look good though.

Thanks in advance. I'm looking at the global market, not just the one in the US.

I think most stockholders want to make money in the short term, not wait and see if the plan will pan out.

Of course if they yank the CEO and put someone new in whole wants to change the path...well just look at US politics.

Ken-Young 2010-05-01 05:17

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by ndi (Post 635480)
Which is just peachy for the -like- 4 of us, but it matters zero for the rest of them 1 billion phone users.
[...]
Linux-alikeness and the ability to build your own apps is great for a minority and does little to nothing to overturn Nokia's descending trend nor it's image as trailblazers. Neo Freerunner has Linux, 2 accelerometers, touch, and it boots to text only. Sold 10.000 units and died off. Guess why.
[...]

The Freerunner died because it didn't work as a phone. Basic phone functionality, like being able to answer an incoming call in less than 30 seconds, wasn't there until the company had already imploded. There were also hardware problems, and Openmoko could not afford to recall all the phones and fix them properly. I don't think its failure is a fair gauge by which to measure customer demand for a linux phone that gives you full linux access, with a finger-friendly UI.

gerbick 2010-05-01 05:41

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by Laughing Man (Post 635762)
I think most stockholders want to make money in the short term, not wait and see if the plan will pan out.

Yep. I have to admit not paying attention to the drop in stock price. That'll get some folks angry. And the lack of patience.. that describes me as well (not a Nokia stockholder)...

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Of course if they yank the CEO and put someone new in whole wants to change the path...well just look at US politics.
Better than having Palin.

maluka 2010-05-01 05:56

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
All I know is that I will be picking up as much stock as I can afford right now because I've read the reactions that non-US user forums and blogs have had to the new product announcements in Nokia's main markets. Engadget and Gizmodo's biased Nokia coverage has influence primarily amongst US consumers.

gerbick 2010-05-01 06:28

Re: The CEO of Nokia might be getting fired! LG's GW990 not coming out either!?
 
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Originally Posted by maluka (Post 635797)
All I know is that I will be picking up as much stock as I can afford right now because I've read the reactions that non-US user forums and blogs have had to the new product announcements in Nokia's main markets. Engadget and Gizmodo's biased Nokia coverage has influence primarily amongst US consumers.

And here... we agree 100%. Mind you, I'm not the target for the N8, as shown by my disregard for Symbian over Maemo (the little Linux lover in me likes Maemo/MeeGo better)... but I know a multi-media phone that will sell well when I see it.

And it's the N8. Priced right too? Nokia's got a hit on their hands.


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