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TiagoTiago 2010-10-12 11:41
Re: "Install here" : why Linux doesn't do it?
 
It would save some trouble without preventing the "recommended" behavior from being the default, if the normal install process offered an option of installing into a different folder (even better if it also offered an option, also present in the program's preferences) for keeping settings in the same folder)

TiagoTiago 2010-10-12 11:43
Re: "Install here" : why Linux doesn't do it?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 839193)
Normally on a linux system you look in "/home/user/.<program>/".. seldom you need to go to another folder. To install and uninstall you could use synaptic package manager to check or uncheck the programs you like.

on a windows system you normally look in "/program files/" but pretty often you need to look in "/system/" or "/system32/" or "/My Documents/" or "/user/application data/" or on "c:\" or on "d:\"... e.t.c. and then you need to go to the registry sometimes and change some settings there. If you clogged the system you need to format and all your settings are gone making it paintful to setup again. Looking fo drivers on the internet.. e.t.c.

That is only with well behaved Linux programs and poorly behaved Windows programs (both seems to be the most common on their respective OSes)

AlMehdi 2010-10-12 11:48
Re: "Install here" : why Linux doesn't do it?
 
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Originally Posted by TiagoTiago (Post 839197)
That is only with well behaved Linux programs and poorly behaved Windows programs (both seems to be the most common on their respective OSes)
No this apply on pretty much all linux programs.. could differ little depending on what system you use.

Also applies on most windows systems i had a look in. Different programs doing different things. Although some programs like notepad and such are pretty much no problem.

TiagoTiago 2010-10-12 11:54
Re: "Install here" : why Linux doesn't do it?
 
There is nothing that forces Windows programs to not clean after themselves when you uninstall them thru normal means; and nothing forcing Linux programs to not leave trash behind; it's all a matter of how they (and the uninstall methods of choice) were made.

AlMehdi 2010-10-12 12:38
Re: "Install here" : why Linux doesn't do it?
 
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Originally Posted by TiagoTiago (Post 839207)
There is nothing that forces Windows programs to not clean after themselves when you uninstall them thru normal means; and nothing forcing Linux programs to not leave trash behind; it's all a matter of how they (and the uninstall methods of choice) were made.
True, but i am not just talking about how to clean up after a program.. both systems needs a format once in awhile. Although i had to format my winXP install aprox every six month.. i still do it with Ubuntu. Not cause the system cloggs up (cause it doesn't) but cause to the ubuntu release cycle. Although i could use the OTA upgrade i like a fresh system. i just reinstall the programs.. all the settings and stuff are still there.

TiagoTiago 2010-10-12 12:46
Re: "Install here" : why Linux doesn't do it?
 
Heh, this WinXP install has survived past 4-5 HDDs (one or two of them had errors the repair shop couldn't fix that i managed to myself) and several years so far , and this with hard use, almost 24/7 intended up time (i don't shut down when i go sleep or leave the house, but eventually it might crash when i'm not paying attention, or the light might go out), with porn browsing in unknown sites, downloading and running of cracks and keygens etc and countless programs from all sorts of sources :P

fpp 2010-10-12 12:49
Re: "Install here" : why Linux doesn't do it?
 
Funny that this heated debate happens just today, as last night I posted a rant in my blog on a very similar subject, but from a different angle : in specific cases, why not just NO installer... and NO package ?

See: http://fredp.lautre.net/blog/2010/10...ot-to-package/

AlMehdi 2010-10-12 12:54
Re: "Install here" : why Linux doesn't do it?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TiagoTiago (Post 839231)
Heh, this WinXP install has survived past 4-5 HDDs (one or two of them had errors the repair shop couldn't fix that i managed to myself) and several years so far , and this with hard use, almost 24/7 intended up time (i don't shut down when i go sleep or leave the house, but eventually it might crash when i'm not paying attention, or the light might go out), with porn browsing in unknown sites, downloading and running of cracks and keygens etc and countless programs from all sorts of sources :P
How did you move it from one HDD to another? And you are lying if you say that your install is as fast now as it was in the begining. All windows install get cloggy and slow. Even my fathers install got slow over time and he mostly just surf the net. He don't have that problem any longer cause i installed Ubuntu for him.

TiagoTiago 2010-10-12 13:02
Re: "Install here" : why Linux doesn't do it?
 
Clonned thru varied means over the ages.

It indeed doesn't flow as smooth as as a fresh install in a blank disk, but the performance difference isn't worth reinstalling and setting up all the ****, also, it would be hell to backup all the stuff i saved all over the place back when i wasn't thinking about ever needing to backup stuff; and probably by the time i had everything back it would perform pretty much as it does now.

AlMehdi 2010-10-12 13:09
Re: "Install here" : why Linux doesn't do it?
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by TiagoTiago (Post 839244)
Clonned thru varied means over the ages.

It indeed doesn't flow as smooth as as a fresh install in a blank disk, but the performance difference isn't worth reinstalling and setting up all the ****, also, it would be hell to backup all the stuff i saved all over the place back when i wasn't thinking about ever needing to backup stuff; and probably by the time i had everything back it would perform pretty much as it does now.
Which where my point... If you had used "the linux way".. you probably would just need an hour or so to install your progs.. no pain at all.


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