Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

re-download the file, its not the full file

also make sure to save the file in like documents, not on the SD card

also install-tools only works with one SD card installed. so only have the SD card you want to partition in the system

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ok so it did it now... had to reinstall and then it worked. How do I not boot from flash? When it starts up it dosent give me an option to swith. How do i choose?

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

matthew thers a bootmenu...with a 30second time out...by default it boots from the sd card...

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

If you dont see a menu when booting, you need to reinstall again

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As I said, yes - I looked at Fanoush's stuff, but I don't know specifically what the bootmenu in my old config had set. I just want the bootmenu.conf, I guess, that is compatible with your package. Maybe I'll see how simple it is to open the deb file? Do you use the default menu as Fanoush defined it? I don't think so from what I can see...

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

Okay.. for thos on Windows (with no access to LINUX) - use 7zip to extract the files in the .DEB file, open the control.tar.gz with somethng like WinRar or WinZip, extract "install-tools.tgz" and look for "bootmenu.conf" - which is NOT in Fanoush's package. This looks to be the menu that is installed, verbatim. I will flash and let you all know how I get on.

Penguinbait, some of us need this kind of hand holding. I'm a power user, just not a LINUX or even Debian power user. I got the file I needed in the end, but why did I need to go through all this pain to find it? If you are making it easy to boot from SD, could you also make it easy to replace the bootmenu after reflashing too? :-)

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This is designed to do a set of specific tasks. You want only some of those tasks done. Simply thats not the way it works. If you want the control over your system like an advanced user then do some reading. My deb is designed to clone, not just install bootmenu. I am sure I have helped many many people boot from sd when they could not previously.

It would have been much easier to use Fanoushes package and bootmenu.conf, then go through all the stuff you did to extract bootmenu.conf from my package. Its just Fanoushes anyway, I just edited the example.

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I love your DEB, it works well. But you are missing my point. I don't know anything about what was *in* your bootmenu.conf and I don't have time to learn how Fanoush's stuff works. All I needed to do was *get* the boot menu and then the rest, as someone else stated, was simple. But if I have no idea how you altered the bootmenu.conf, the only way I was going to get an answer was:

a) From you directly (you didn't actually give any answer that was helpful)
b) From unpacking the DEB file
c) From trial and error.

I'm sorry you feel that your work is unappreciated by me. I enjoy the results of your labour every day. But if you created a package to do the reinstall after flash, you'd save yourself the hassle of people asking you for that part over and over again. Remeber, RTFM is neither a helpful answer to a question nor is it going to help clueless non LINUX users (I count myself in that boat.) OS X or Windows I know... BeOS ever... LINUX.. nope.

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I think you are missing my point. I made software and it works good for its purpose. You want software that does something different that what I made.

"Remeber, RTFM is neither a helpful answer to a question nor is it going to help clueless non LINUX users"

Did I tell you to RTFM?? NO, I created a simple deb that anyone can use. Supporting people wanting to do things my deb does not do, is not my problem. I pointed you to the correct location "fanoush" the rest is up to you. Find the thread that discusses bootmenu and ask your questions in the right place.




"I got the file I needed in the end, but why did I need to go through all this pain to find it? If you are making it easy to boot from SD, could you also make it easy to replace the bootmenu after reflashing too?"

The reason you had to go through the pain is because you wanted the deb to do something it is not intended to do.

My deb is made for cloning, not just installing bootmenu. Fanoush's package is for intalling bootmenu


""bootmenu.conf" - which is NOT in Fanoush's package"

Yes it actually is "bootmenu.conf.n8x0.example" and bootmenu.conf.n770.example

"But if you created a package to do the reinstall after flash, you'd save yourself the hassle of people asking you for that part over and over again"

No hassle, I can say "no" over and over again.

I could make a deb to do what you are asking. I however have lots of stuff on my plate with what "I" actually want to do. Then there is that pesky job, and those 4 kids and a wife to contend with.

am I just being a dick again? It doesnt feel like it, but I am a bad judge ;)

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wow you have 4 kids...can i send you some cats...i agree with pb on this...memson seriously read alot....im one of those who wont do anything like what you want to do without reading...look on other places...ask fanoush./...but do it in pm...leave the threads clean...

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We are pet free at the moment, AND I LIKE IT... :)

NO CATS - THANKS, but NO THANKS!! Joe :)

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

What about a little brother? I have a spare one.

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

what would you take....if not pets...what about a dog...

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NO, NO, NO, NO!! I asked for the bootmenu.conf, or info as to what was in it. You decided I was asking you to do "work "

You told me to use the TEMPLATE that is in Fanoush's package and to guess what the correct parameters were to create the same bootmenu.conf you already have. So, yes, I would need to RTFM to get the info. Whay should I read the manual? I already used your DEB because I DON'T WANT to RTM.. do you get that part? You created a way for brainless idiots like myself to dual boot, but then effectively said, that we were on our own if we wanted to upgrade to Diablo but keep Chinook on the SD. GREAT support there ;-)


NO! I wanted to restore the BOOTMENU. Your package created that menu, so it was reasonable to ask you for help. Apparently, this is beyond you?

Your pachage CONTAINS Fanoush's package, but you have MODIFIED his bootmenu config examples. How many times does it need to be stated, I don't mind using Fanoush's package, but without knowing what was in the bootmenu.conf, it was IMPOSSIBLE for me to quickly get access to my data?

Oh, ffs, how dim are you being now? They are not the same as your bootmenu.conf. I don't *want* to learn how Fanoush's stuff works, it's not a peice of information I need or want. I will use it once (now) because from now on I will not need to reflash my IT. I'll wait till Diablo is stable (asnd all the repos are working) and reinstall it to SD. But this will be in a few months time. In the meantime, your solution was to lose all my data. Great, THANKS for that.

Dude, all I wanted was a little help. I didn't want to be told to go off and work it out for myself. You've already done the hard part for me ;-) All I wanted was enough info to install the bootmenu and have it working *exactly* as before as quickly as possible. All you needed to do was provide the bootmenu.conf and say "just reflash using Fanoush's package and this file", but you made it a LOT harder on both of us by being obtuse. In all, it took me less than 30 mins once I took it upon myself to open up your DEB file and find the bootmenu.conf. (opening a DEB in Windows was not a fun task, thankfuly 7zip does deb)

I have 3 kids, a wife a dog and a cat.. Do I win?

No worries, all sorted and it won't happen again to me because I know how to fix it now ;-)

I might sound like I'm ranting, but I don't mean to belittle your work. It's great, I love what it does, you are appreciated. A little bit of after flash support wouldn't go awry though!!

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Hey, I asked a question and PB started answering in this thread. What would be the point in taking it to PM? How would that help anyone else who needs to re-install the bootmenu?

At the end of the day, all PB needs to do is provide the bootmenu.conf file for download and point us towards Fanoush's package. It's all quite simple thereafter.

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It boils down to you bein a rude little ****, who nobody obviously taught manners to.

I assume you missed this too
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=21344

The point is I have no reason to jump through hoops to give you anything. I have no obligation to provide you anything. you wanted me to sujpport something I did not support. If I wanted to explain to everyone how to do this I would have made a book instead of a deb.

Seriously how arrogant can you get!!!

pS

@#\/(\#\ %/$€/(£6#

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Well, no, I don't look through the forums for a solution. But, you are a true star and I have always said that I appreciated your work. All I asked was for a quick, simple and non destructive way to put back the bootmenu after flashing Diablo.

Thank you a million times for doing this.

PS. I'm not little, I'm an overworked developer with a 2+ hour commute each way. I don't want to have to mess about with LINUX. I've no real interest in it. The IT runs Maemo as far as I'm concerned. I run Windows at work (*job*) and OS X at home (*play*).

I'm sorry you took such an offense. You have to see it from my point of view. I fully admit to flashing Diablo, I therefore screwed up my own bootmenu. I have no experience with LINUX much past dabbling. I wanted my Chinook SD install back to use it. It was lost. The prospect of re-flashing was looming. I don't have a spare SD card. I don't have the time to find out how Fanoush designed his boot menu scripy/config. It should have been much less heated and simpler to fix.

Thank you for making the extra package. I'm sure it's going to help loads of people.

The most important thing to remember... I just wanted to get the information in *your* bootmenu config file. If I had gotten it wrong, as per Fanoush's instructions, the boot manager would not boot my device. All I ever wanted was to reflash the boot menu. In all honesty, when you brushed off my request, I simply opened up the deb and flashed the file I found,. It worked, I was happy.

The reason this thread has carried on is that even though I kept saying "I like your deb, it's good" and such and that if you explained *somewhere* what was needed to reflash the boot menu, it would have all okay. You kept on telling me you were not interested and to go away. You seemed like you were being a dick, so I responded accordingly.

Look, I have no wish to argue on with you. I was out of line earlier. I appologise, even though I feel it was mainly a misunderstanding that caused the friction. If you in any way feel like I have some further pennance to pay, PM me and I will grovel at you feet or some such thing :)

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Hmmm....

We'll, I'm very glad I took the time to pursue this section before I flashed with Diablo... I think I'll wait a bit. I did download it, and was ready to pull the trigger.:eek:

Everyone, keep in mind that Penguinbait accepts paypal donations.

I've already donated $20.00 for his very nice, chinook clone .deb.

Payday is Monday; I'll kick in another $20.00 towards a diablo clone .deb. Think of it as an advance. :cool:

Others, please also consider contributing.

Remember, anything of value is worth paying for.

Steve

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Dont get me wrong I appreciate your enthusiasm. But please also remember Fanoush. I only made easier for some people his project. Without his work none of us would be dual booting.

So please consider donating http://fanoush.wz.cz/maemo/
All the way on the bottom right.

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Thanks! It's hard to keep track of the giants.

How about this? I'll split the donation 'twixt both of you. Let us know when you have something ready for Diablo. No rush, eh?

$teve

BTW, is it ready yet? ;)

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

uh steve...its ready for diablo....

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

What is ready for diablo? Clone OS to SD for Diablo?

Just curious because I finally got my 16GB SDHC and I'm so ready to clone to SD.

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

Its already updated

Also check out the bootmenu installer. You can install diablo, then reinstall bootmenu and boot to your SD card, with the old OS, or boot to flash for Diablo.
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=21344


Or just reclone the whole thing now, the debs have already been rebuilt

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

Yes all the debs have been rebuilt for Diablo.

Also Bootmenu Installer (not the clone, just bootmenu)
http://www.internettablettalk.com/fo...ad.php?t=21344


What card did you buy, where did you get, what did you pay, sorry, I want one too

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

I think i need some advice from our Professional OS cloners.
I have a 4gb SD and a 8gb SD (that I received today)

I want to be able to boot from one of my SD and also have KDE on that same SD.

Do you think I have enough space on my 4gb to do so, thus leaving my 8gb solely for Media ?
Or should I clone the OS and KDE on my 8gb ?

Thanks in advance (and also after replies ;) )

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

4GB is plenty for KDE 2GB is tight, 4GB will leave about 2.3GB free

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You are my Saviour :)

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Just a little question, during the install-tools process, a problem happened and it said it was unable to install it. Now my 4gb SDHC will only show up as 240 mb when plugged into the PC. Tried formatting but didn't do anything. Any ideas?

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

How about we stick with friend or compadre, I am not really comfortable with Saviour. Even if I do have a Slayer, Seasons in the Abyss for my avatar :D:D:D

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

Dont try to fix it, just reinstall.

install-tools will only install if 1 sd card is inserted
virtual memory must be off
deb must be saved and run from flash location.

other than that,

install
reboot (if failed or not)
if not working
install
reboot (if failed or not)
if not working
install
reboot

I know it seems stupid, but its just kind of the way if works. If it has already been run once and the partitions were saved it usually will install the next time. sometime it takes three, but I have heard people say 5 or 6 time before it worked.

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I got my PC to recognize it as 1 4gb SD by reformating the SD with Panasonic's SDFormatter V2.0.0.3

Back to install-tools then :D

Thanks for your advice, "Compadre Penguinbait" ;)

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

hey el amir...it does take more than 1 try to get it....took me 3...

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I guess so... but I was kind of worried it didn't work for me straight away as it only took me once the 1st time I did it ;)
anyways, thanks for the heads up!!!:D

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Yeah it just does not act consistently. Sometimes after the partition creation the system does not re-read the SD partition properly. Then the only way to fix it is to reboot and try again.

I have all kingston cards, and they only seem to have problems about 20% of the time.

Sometimes ejecting the card then re-inserting it and rerunning can work also, but I recommend rebooting after each run

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All this is great news!

I'm going to pick up a spare 8GB card.

PB, please tell me if this makes sense:

1) install Diablo.
2) run your tool to regenerate the bootmenu.

I then have an n810 that can boot to Diablo (from flash) or Chinook (from mmc1)

3) Put the spare SD in.
4) Clone

I then have Diablo on the spare mmc1. This lets me test Diablo; if I need to, I can revert to Chinook by swapping SD. My flash remains my "safe boot in case I brick my other parts".

Somehow, I also need to fit KDE and the full maemo sdk into this - I need to be able to compile stuff.

?

Steve

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

you are dead on!! I dont think you can put the sdk on the device and compile though, unless someting has changed and I missed it?

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From PB:
I'm probably confused...

From tz1
I thought that perhaps 'native toolchain' + KDE = ability to compile. I guess it all depends on getting all the required libs and other elements running on my n810.

I have another silly question, though, that is probably answered somewhere but I have not looked. Is Diablo still known as OS2008? Will OS2008 'chinook' apps run under Diablo?

Thanks,

Steve

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

yep steve...you have to tinker with the repos...add chinook then diablo...my tablet isnt here atm..

Re: Clone OS to SD Deb!! Boot from SD made EASY!!
 

I've been reading the maemo sdk docs http://maemo.org/maemo_release_docum...on/maemo4.1.x/
and spotted something *very* cool that will allow me to run scratchbox on any of my Windoze computers - an Xbuntu vmware image with everything one needs, all ready to go!

https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=277

buwaaa-ha-haaa!:D

Steve

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@penguinbait;

I installed Diablo today, spent a few hours getting all my apps and customizations installed (Gnumeric was the only one that I could not get working). Then it was time to put the bootmenu back, so I could boot between diablo on flash and chinook on SD.

I went to your site and downloaded bootmenu-installer 1.0.0-2. But, it fails to run, here is some of the log:

It looks like this is the chinook version. I looked again on your site, but can't find the diablo version.

Thanks,

Steve