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sjgadsby 2009-08-20 14:53
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 313616)
There is no advantage (in typing speed) by moving the space bar to that location. If anything it presents a learning curve for using the phone.
The spacebar moved under my right thumb on my computers years ago.

GeneralAntilles 2009-08-20 14:58
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pataphysician (Post 313429)
There seems to be two things above the microphone, one rectanglish and above that, one round, the round could be a front facing low resolution web cam.
Should be (from left to right), LED indicator, light sensor, proximity sensor, VGA camera.

nowave7 2009-08-20 14:59
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ysss (Post 313621)
@nowave: i don't see him say it's a bad thing.
I thought he was... Sorry.

livefreeordie 2009-08-20 15:04
Re: First N900 Review
 
This resistive touchscreen and spacebar ******** is a really good reason to buy Nokia products, imho. Everyone's going on about how stupid and uncool they are, yet they stick with what they think is the superior solution. That's respectable.

While everyone else is busy caressing the "cool" stuff, I'll just use my vastly more accurate nail on the Nokia touchscreen, and press the spacebar where it's closest to my right thumb, thank you very much.

candas1 2009-08-20 15:13
Re: First N900 Review
 
Is it a button close to the camera button ?
An IR port would have been cool to use the n900 as a remote

Cruelkix 2009-08-20 15:15
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by candas1 (Post 313631)
Is it a button close to the camera button ?
Can you clarify? Is "what" a button close to the camera?

Quote:
Originally Posted by candas1 (Post 313631)
An IR port would have been cool to use the n900 as a remote
Agreed, that would have been cool! Probably wont happen tho....

Edit: Although I will say im getting really tired of IR remotes. The nicest remote I have is the one for my PS3 that is Bluetooth and I dont have to point the stupid thing at the screen! Lets move on TV industry! The really nice Logitech remotes use RF. I know its cheap, but the tv's these days certainly are not! My 52" LCD set me back 2 grand!

nilchak 2009-08-20 15:20
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 313616)
Kind of have to agree with them regarding the space bar key. It's really a bonehead move by Nokia and that's coming from someone who loves Nokia phones. There is no advantage (in typing speed) by moving the space bar to that location. If anything it presents a learning curve for using the phone.
Well. its just that you refuse to look at solving real problems by looking out of the box. Thats what Nokia did - they bettered the keyboard ergonomins by placing the space there for a reason - its under your thumb and you the space bar is always thumbed.

I am glad that some companies try to innovate and better a common design by looking at the use case scenario. For any handheld device in landscape mode this keyboard with space bar is better than the older conventional style.

ysss 2009-08-20 15:20
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What good is an IR port these days..
Most of the time they're too weak to be used for universal remotes anyway. Their beam is either too weak or too narrow.

candas1 2009-08-20 15:21
Re: First N900 Review
 
The shape next to the button.
It's not a button, could it be an IR port ?

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/...n900/pic21.jpg

I agree with you, IR ports are mostly too weak to use the device as a remote, I was just dreaming :p

Cruelkix 2009-08-20 15:29
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by candas1 (Post 313635)
The shape next to the button.
It's not a button, could it be an IR port ?
Good question. maybe thats the missing touch sensitive button to go in and out of full screen.

volt 2009-08-20 15:33
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by SD69 (Post 313441)
I would think the HTC Touch Pro2 would be a more interesting comparison.
Yes, but as it is, it seems this device will start a good deal cheaper than the Touch Pro2.

I've gotta say, I think the Pro2 looks more expensive, too. I think the N810 looks higher quality than the N900. Design wise.

sachin007 2009-08-20 15:39
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The one problem is see due to the lack of hardware buttons is this..

Suppose you are using the full screen view of the web browser and you want to go to other open windows or applications.... In the n810 u can just click the multi-task button and select the window/app you want.

But for the n900 you need to go out of the full screen mode of the web browser by pressing the transparent button on the screen.. aka web digi@web, which takes you to the windowed web browser screen... then you click on the multi-task button on the top left corner.. and then again press the window/app you want to use...

If that is true.... that is definitely a regression.

In my opinion they should have all three hardware keys on the side of the device...They did not give us the 4.13 screen... they could have atleast given us those buttons.

nilchak 2009-08-20 15:40
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[QUOTE=sevla;313616]If anything it presents a learning curve for using the phone.
QUOTE]

Another point I thing conventional minds will complain about - "OMG, where is the Cancel button, I can only save, I can't cancel? That's a HUGE learning curve ... blah blah "

Yes it a another learning curve for those unwilling to learn new techniques which work better for the mobile paradigm.

This is one of my main points - that a mobile device should have a mobile interface suited to the use. Thanks to Nokia for putting in the thoughts in making Maemo 5 more mobile friendly - who needs a cancel button when you can click outside a modal window to cancel the form...

nilchak 2009-08-20 15:43
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by candas1 (Post 313635)
The shape next to the button.
It's not a button, could it be an IR port ?

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/...n900/pic21.jpg

I agree with you, IR ports are mostly too weak to use the device as a remote, I was just dreaming :p
What if this is a task-bar button - to bring up the multi-task taskbar by a hardware key ?

That could solve the full-screen to non-full sreen to press taskbar button steps.

sachin007 2009-08-20 15:45
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 313652)
What if this is a task-bar button - to bring up the multi-task taskbar by a hardware key ?

That could solve the full-screen to non-full sreen to press taskbar button steps.
May be it is a screen lock button something like the iphone uses on the top?

attila77 2009-08-20 15:49
Re: First N900 Review
 
How about backplate release button ?

sjgadsby 2009-08-20 15:51
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 313652)
What if this is a task-bar button - to bring up the multi-task taskbar by a hardware key ?
So close to the camera button?

Wild speculation: If the camera button acts as the shutter release, then the square next to it could sense when a finger is in place to take a photo. It would be the equivalent of a half-press of the shutter release on traditional cameras, engaging autofocus, etc.

sachin007 2009-08-20 15:52
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 313655)
How about backplate release button ?
The back plate release is on the side above the 3.5 mm plug.

sevla 2009-08-20 16:06
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 313633)
Well. its just that you refuse to look at solving real problems by looking out of the box. Thats what Nokia did - they bettered the keyboard ergonomins by placing the space there for a reason - its under your thumb and you the space bar is always thumbed.

I am glad that some companies try to innovate and better a common design by looking at the use case scenario. For any handheld device in landscape mode this keyboard with space bar is better than the older conventional style.
Saying it's "better" is your opinion. Also most people on this forum do not constitute the "laymen" user. Judging from reactions to pictures and other comments I've seen the AVERAGE user will automatically have an aversion to the keyboard. You said it solved a "problem" but I don't recall anyone complaining about the position of the spacebar on 4 row devices.

Lastly, placing the space bar to the right forces the use of the right thumb. I'm right handed so it doesn't pose a problem for me but how does it affect left handed people? Should they be forced to press the space button with the right thumb (when they'd rather use there left) simply because Nokia thinks it's "better"? It's the most frequently pressed key while typing and having it in the middle gives the user an option of using left or right fingers (or thumb in this case). Space bars are in the middle for a reason.

But I digress. If you guys like it, great.

benny1967 2009-08-20 16:12
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 313648)
...work better for the mobile paradigm.
... oh. That's what it's for. Probably I just don't have one of those.

daperl 2009-08-20 16:23
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 313656)
Wild speculation: If the camera button acts as the shutter release, then the square next to it could sense when a finger is in place to take a photo. It would be the equivalent of a half-press of the shutter release on traditional cameras, engaging autofocus, etc.
And it could be an IR transceiver. Booyaw!

pataphysician 2009-08-20 16:23
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 313656)
So close to the camera button?

Wild speculation: If the camera button acts as the shutter release, then the square next to it could sense when a finger is in place to take a photo. It would be the equivalent of a half-press of the shutter release on traditional cameras, engaging autofocus, etc.
That's not wild enough speculation. I'm going for a cover for the 10ft extensible periscope camera, This is pretty strong requirement for new phones, with everyone in high school needing to do those up skirt shots ;)

ysss 2009-08-20 16:24
Re: First N900 Review
 
Could it be the fabled Smell-O-Vision sensor instead?
Oh please, please make it so..

Texrat 2009-08-20 16:29
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 313616)
Kind of have to agree with them regarding the space bar key. It's really a bonehead move by Nokia and that's coming from someone who loves Nokia phones. There is no advantage (in typing speed) by moving the space bar to that location. If anything it presents a learning curve for using the phone.

I doubt anyone types faster because the keyboard was shoved all the way to the right. It's a feature that doesn't add any benefit to the phone so it really isn't a "feature" at all. Plus people are going to take one look at that keyboard and say they don't like it. That's just the nature of consumers.
I strongly disagree. I think this will help my accuracy hence speed. But the proof is in the use, so I won't purport to speak for others.

Quote:
Originally Posted by sevla (Post 313659)
Saying it's "better" is your opinion
..and saying it's automatically worse is yours. Hey, let's battle on the internet over opinions we can't test yet! :rolleyes:

Laughing Man 2009-08-20 16:35
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Quote:
Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 313491)
Refresh my memory please... Why are you here? I mean on a Maemo enthusiasts board... You spend a lot of time here. We see your remarks in just about every active thread. Whats the point of your involvement?

Just wondering... :)
The point of the involvement is to try to make Maemo better so more people use it. More people using it means more software companies paying attention to it. So we might actually get updated software like Skype (hopefully with video).

I think Maemo is a great platform, but it's not usable by anyone who either isn't a tech geek or doesn't want to learn the ins and outs of the device. The device itself, coupled with the community and the software and hacks they've provided is powerful. But unless you can get that to the common user they're going overlook the device for something more accessible. E.g. iPhone, Pre, even Android with its rough edges.

ragnar 2009-08-20 16:40
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Yes, it wouldn't make any sense with a 4 row keyboard. But with a 3 row keyboard the alternative would be much worse: putting the space to the center would break the qwerty layouting, pushing letters to strange positions, and that would be much worse.

A three row keyboard layout with space bar on the right hand side is for instance in the Nokia N97, or it was (basically) also on the N800 full screen keyboard. Those layouts have been certainly usability tested, and it isn't causing any major problems to users in tests. I'm personally a lefty, and I don't have problems with the N97 layout and space bar position.

Texrat 2009-08-20 16:49
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I will vouch for ragnar's expertise. He's a stubborn, argumentive guy but he knows his stuff. :p

qole 2009-08-20 16:52
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by EIPI (Post 313445)
Good show Nokia! Now, when can I get one, and can you convince Ted Rogers to lower his data costs!!?
I don't think it will be Nokia who will do that. It will be someone else giving us Canadians "global levels of pricing".

EDIT: Good to hear from another lefty that the weird spacebar won't be a problem. I was worried.

BruceL 2009-08-20 16:53
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 313656)
So close to the camera button?

Wild speculation: If the camera button acts as the shutter release, then the square next to it could sense when a finger is in place to take a photo. It would be the equivalent of a half-press of the shutter release on traditional cameras, engaging autofocus, etc.
That was my first thought too. If so, that is great! Just point and shoot. No need to load the camera app.

Also, as for the idea that it is a 'full screen' toggle. There is no SIDE-BAR-BASED-TASK-SWITCHER. So, there is no non-full screen view. That means no need for a full-screen toggle button.
:)

Bruce

attila77 2009-08-20 16:58
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BruceL (Post 313682)
That was my first thought too. If so, that is great! Just point and shoot. No need to load the camera app.
I kind of expect the camera app to start/close anyway when the camera slider is moved, just like on any other cover+camera equipped device...

Picklesworth 2009-08-20 16:59
Re: First N900 Review
 
I sure hope that LED indicator is visible from the side. It's one of my favourite features about the N810; being able to glance into my pocket and know instantly whether I have messages.


Quote:
Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 313169)
i hate this screenshot :-(
http://mobile-review.com/review/imag.../scr/scr14.jpg


edit: forgot happy OS cloning ;-)
Wow, I didn't catch that. What the heck?! It has 32GB guaranteed space and you still can't fit more than six major apps at a time?

In fairness, though, it's probably because they need to be compatible with inferior OS's like Windows, which can't be bothered to support, uh, any file systems other than ntfs and fat. (The tablet uses ext for system stuff, since it's a decent file system). Hopefully it's all on the same card, though, so people who use Linux will be able to resize that partition...

I'm still on the fence about this gadget. I want to see if they have an N910 in the works with phone stuff stripped out; I'm one of those anti-phone people (we have a lot of them here), and I find an intermittent Internet connection actually serves me really well (where I live). Also, the extra thickness here defeats the classic PDA thing again. I want this with a nearly edge-to-edge screen, thin enough to fit in a shirt pocket.
That is unless someone conjures up a really good pay-as-you-go type of data plan for the tablets.

Agent 770 2009-08-20 17:02
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by candas1 (Post 313635)
The shape next to the button.
It's not a button, could it be an IR port ?

http://www.mobile-review.com/review/...n900/pic21.jpg
External GPS connector?:confused:. It's so flush that it's probably not a button.

Nathan 2009-08-20 17:38
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qole (Post 313424)
I've been thinking some more...

I think qgil has been trying to say that there might already be something going on here... He's said on a few occasions that developers who put their apps in the wiki or who show interest in getting Telepathy working in Fremantle won't regret it, and that it would be worth their while...

So developers, get your asses in gear!
I would if I had a device of any type -- I broke my N810 and so I haven't had a platform to do any testing. ;-( I figured I would wait until the n900 came out and pick it up.

Nathan.

qgil 2009-08-20 17:43
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The SDK should be enough to have your apps in extras-devel. There you might get testers that will help you bringing it to extras-testing. If you want to discuss please continue in a more specific thread.

PS: don't worry about space for 3rd party apps.

mikkov 2009-08-20 18:09
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qgil (Post 313705)
PS: don't worry about space for 3rd party apps.
OK, I have many 100MB games, should I worry about the space?

sevla 2009-08-20 18:23
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 313671)
I strongly disagree. I think this will help my accuracy hence speed. But the proof is in the use, so I won't purport to speak for others.



..and saying it's automatically worse is yours. Hey, let's battle on the internet over opinions we can't test yet! :rolleyes:
No where in my (2nd) post did I use words like "automatically" or "worse". I stated facts like "People using left hand are forced to use right humb". And I made "observations" of peoples reaction to the keyboard. None of which is my "opinion". But ok.

Radu 2009-08-20 18:28
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To be honest, I am a little bit dissapointed, to the point that I will probably not buy it.
There are a few issues with it:
1. 3.5" screen. This is really small for 800x480. Even the 810 screen is kind of too small for it, and after a while it will hurt your eyes.

2. Smaller battery (1350 mAh vs 1500 mAh). Not sure if the new CPU and RAM is more power hungry, but I would expect a shorter uptime.

3. The fact that it has a phone in it. This increases the price and size, and not everyone needs a phone in it. I like to have a featureless, small, cheap phone, which i use, for, well, phone purposes. If I drop it, I won't cry for it. If someone calls me while I am doing stuff on my internet tablet, the current application won't lose focus. If I play a game or watch a movie and the battery is drained, I can still talk on the phone. If I go on the beach, I don't have to take my expensive internet tablet with me and have it stollen or get sand in it.

So if they come up with a phoneless model, great, I'd buy it, but until then I'll just use my N810.

qole 2009-08-20 18:32
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mikkov (Post 313715)
OK, I have many 100MB games, should I worry about the space?
All those Quake 3 mods you love playing.

zehjotkah 2009-08-20 18:33
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Picklesworth (Post 313687)
I sure hope that LED indicator is visible from the side. It's one of my favourite features about the N810; being able to glance into my pocket and know instantly whether I have messages.




Wow, I didn't catch that. What the heck?! It has 32GB guaranteed space and you still can't fit more than six major apps at a time?

In fairness, though, it's probably because they need to be compatible with inferior OS's like Windows, which can't be bothered to support, uh, any file systems other than ntfs and fat. (The tablet uses ext for system stuff, since it's a decent file system). Hopefully it's all on the same card, though, so people who use Linux will be able to resize that partition...

I'm still on the fence about this gadget. I want to see if they have an N910 in the works with phone stuff stripped out; I'm one of those anti-phone people (we have a lot of them here), and I find an intermittent Internet connection actually serves me really well (where I live). Also, the extra thickness here defeats the classic PDA thing again. I want this with a nearly edge-to-edge screen, thin enough to fit in a shirt pocket.
That is unless someone conjures up a really good pay-as-you-go type of data plan for the tablets.
the LED indicator is on the front..

you can install applications in the 32GB

it was discussed before in this thread..

Architengi 2009-08-20 19:24
Re: First N900 Review
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Radu (Post 313729)
If I go on the beach, I don't have to take my expensive internet tablet with me and have it stollen or get sand in it.
That is because you might live somewhere in one of those Eastern European countries... :cool:
Instead of being afraid of your belongings left on the beach might get stolen :eek:, guys, get yourself some civilization, some good justice system...

There is nothing wrong with N900 device being a phone, if they stole your cheap phone on the beach with all your contacts, isn't that also bad? What I'm saying: here people would not stole the phone on the beach, if this happens in your country, don't try to strip this phone of some features... just fix your country!


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