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This ? :

Maemo Official Platform Bug Jar 2010.10

As of 2010-03-08 Maemo Official Platform contains 3166 items (+34 this week), including 696 open issues (-6 this week):

* 498 open bugs (no change this week)
o 28 critical/blocker (no change this week)
o 7 "easyfix" (+1 this week)
o 110 "moreinfo" (+1 this week)
o 25 "crash" (-1 this week)
o 21 "patch" (+2 this week)
o 17 reopened (-1 this week)
o 169 unconfirmed (-5 this week)
* 198 open enhancements (-6 this week)
o 1 "easyfix" (no change this week)
o 7 "moreinfo" (-1 this week)
o 4 "patch" (no change this week)
o 8 reopened (no change this week)
o 32 unconfirmed (-4 this week)

I tried to include this information in the wiki yesterday but, frankly, I got lost in all the numbers.

Re: Cleaning N900 FUD
 

Great idea !

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@qgil,

Thanks for the heads up, I am now more anxious than ever for PR1.2 and Harmattan alpha SDK releases. Not just for the fixes/improvements, but exactly for the clarification of future plans for N900, just hope the news will be detailed enough for clearing all the uncertainty and not lead to further FUD, although as you said before "customers always want to know more"... so a little uncertainty will always exist since there are pessimistic people all around!! :p

About the Ovi Maps, I've asked about it on blog.ovi.com and your colleague @Niini from Nokia has confirmed that the responsible team is working on turn-by-turn navigation for N900. Here is the link:

http://blog.ovi.com/2010/03/02/new-p...bile/#comments

I also got a similar answer by email from Nokia USA Customer Care channel. If that is true it would be good to include on the Wiki and certainly would remove a lot of FUD from customers missing navigation apps. Can you please check internally?

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wohoo i actually got a reply from post abt maps. now i feel i should have asked if they include portrait mode for maps :D

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The admin for meego.org is surely having a laugh with the current home page... :eek:

Not sure what that would achieve, other than more confusion and change for the sake of change.

Make a decision, stick with it. The future is meego.com. :)

Without wishing to be nasty, it's impossible to read about the Cascade of Attention-Deficit Teenagers software development model and not think of Maemo! ;)

I'm hopeful that the involvement of Intel and LF will help Nokia break the "v0.8, v0.8, v0.8" cycle that has been evident until now. :)

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It seems some Chinese guy was faster than Nokia and Intel.... I was wondering why they decided to go with .COM domain instead of .ORG, but I thought they registered both domains.... Beginner mistake from two mega companies, unless "meego" means something in chinese:

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Well to be fair, it does appear to have been created (registered?) as far back as November 2008, so unless Nokia or Intel have access to a time machine it's not likely they could have done much about this other than offer to buy the domain (which is presumably what they did with meego.com as this domain has been registered since February 1999), but obviously the .org domain owner asked for more than Nokia/Intel were prepared to pay.

Since he's now stuck up a home page with text that could lead the (very) unwary into thinking it may be an official meego web site (as there is no evidence that the site is not associated with Nokia, Intel, Linux Foundation or even MeeGo) I'd say he's starting to swim in dangerous waters and it might be time to unleash the legal attack dogs or claim make a claim for squatting.

That said, changing the domain name for the MeeGo project so soon after announcing meego.com would be idiotic, but somehow fitting and in keeping with Maemo tradition. :)

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Nope, this:

+ this:

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You're right, but it is a shame they couldn't take the domain back....

[Off-Topic] Here at Brazil we have many juridical problems, but at least for Internet Domains politicians created a law that allow for a company take back the related domain if it is proved that the person who registered is not even using it and the purpose was just to sell it. Sure it might take years to conclude the process... but that's another story...[/Off-Topic]

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Hi Qgil....I'm reading the thread right now...so I hope this is not already post by someone else...but I would like to say something now.

Ok...Nokia has told that N900 was more a "Mobile computer" than a phone....but Nokia cannot sell a device for 599€ with all the limitations that N900 has and pretend that many people doesn't complain about these !
I bought the N900 in november 09 but I couldn't still use it as my primary phone because of bugs and problems with Mail For Exchange /Calendar.
I use the smarthphone mainly for business and need to sync the mails, contacts, calendar and tasks with our company Exchange 2003 SP2 server.
This is still not possible because of several small bugs (like this one of recurring events: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7971 )

I think that for an "mobile computer" these features are crucial and I would have expected as top class:
- email
- standard business apps (like Office viewer and edit SW)
- good PIM functions and compatibility with open standard and de-facto std (like Outlook, Exchange, etc)
- decent navigator SW
and I could go on in many aspects...

Instead these points are the weakest in N900/Maemo 5! Apart from excellent internet browsing all the other aspects are poor implemented or there are present only the basic features.
Modest is really...."modest" email client ! Calendar apps is the most basic I ever seen (quite similar to a very old symbian under 100 € phone) etc etc.

The absurd is that we have better multimedia features (decent camera with flash, very good movie playback etc) than business ones !

I really apreciate some of Nokia guys (like Vitaly) and you that are present and usually reply to us in this forums, but I need also reasonable answer from Nokia in terms of support and visible action.

I understand that to re-write everything (OVi Maps, the phone app etc) for Linux require some time but then Nokia should have not
sell this device as a top class device of 599€ but give it for at least less than half that price and clearly state that is a "beta" device.
Nothing of this is made clear in these pages:
http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products...specifications
(I put the Uk ones...not the italian ones just to be english text).
No specification that MFE didn't work with Exchange 2003 (only after PR 1.1 and not completely), that Ovi Maps were only basic and not at thee same level of symbian etc etc.

I REALLY hope that PR 1.2 will address to some of these big problems and let me start using the N900 as a primary work phone and not only as a very expensive useless hobby device.

Moreover I just let you know that many Italian users I know have already sold their N900 due to all these delays in implementing such basic features and most important because Nokia is not showing real committment to support this platform, with all of this FUD and no clear path with Meego/Maemo 6 evolution.

Perhaps I should make like them, sell N900 buy an Android or Iphone device that has thousand od apps NOW and are feature complete NOW and then , after a year or so eventually come back.
But I would like not to loose many Euros since I just bought the N900 few month ago and I love the open-source attitude and the HW device is really nice !

But the world is running everyday faster and the competion is fierce...Please give us some clear arguments to keep me on Maemo platform and N900 device.

Greets from Italy,
SkyEagle

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At the moment I would say the admin of meemo.org can be accused of "passing off" and also using the meemo.org website solely as a means to make money through Google ad impressions from those who come to the site by accident.

Not sure if Nokia/Intel/LF can make the case that MeeGo is entitled to the corresponding .org domain but since the .org admin has now highlighted the association with MeeGo for no other reason than personal enrichment I suspect they may have a case to take the domain since it isn't being used for any other valid purpose. There isn't even a link that redirects the user to meego.com.

However, IMHO it's all too late and we don't need yet another unnecessary change... :)

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@ lma

Oh I got a bit lazy on that one haha !

SOFTWARE VERSION: Mandor 1.1

EXACT STEPS LEADING TO PROBLEM: Read too much on Talk Maemo.org past midnight.

EXPECTED OUTCOME: "Reading skill" should not be affected.

ACTUAL OUTCOME: "Reading skill" is affected.

REPRODUCIBILITY: Sometimes

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Hai letto la pagina wiki ?

http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect

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Agree, just that the first question that popped into my mind when I saw the news about Meego was why ".COM" instead of ".ORG" since it is an open source project... Now we know it is not just COMercial issue... :rolleyes:

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Wow, that SkyEagle post is a classic example of "that" kind of post!

You would think that people would research a product before buying it, no?

It is like someone buying an exotic sportscar and then complaining that, for so much money, there should be more cargo space. "How can Ferrari claim that this is a top-of the line vehicle when there's barely room for me and my wife? Where do I put the three kids and the camping gear?!"

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Included in the wiki page.

Did you know that since its launch date on November 22, 2009, Maemo 5 has seen ~500 of its bugs squashed ?

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Yup. And just like a Ferrari, it spends a lot of time "in the shop".
>> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=37107&page=103

:D

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Any lack of research may be in the understanding of the context of this thread and perhaps some of its past posts. Qgil has made it clear that he can not speak for Nokia with regard to marketing. I appreciate his participation on these boards as an "open source advocate", a productive member of our community, and a Maemo/MeeGo development spokesperson... nothing more. :)

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Hi qole ! Thanks for the nice ironic post :)

But I just let you note that I made some research before buying N900..I saw carefully the spec, some review, some post from the first users ect ect.

I knew what I was buying...in fact I'm not complaining about lack of portrait mode, missing MMS functions etc.

I'm complaining about faulty and not correct advertising (like, for istance, the one related to Mail for Exchange support which was implemented for Exchange 2003 only with PR 1.1 many months later and still not complete in functions and not comparable to the symbian version) or some sync features of the Calendar that don't work in the case of recurring events.
Just to let you see some examples:
http://maemo.nokia.com/features/email/
http://maemo.nokia.com/features/calendar/

The only mistake that I have done is to trust too much in some user comments (which were enthusiatic in the first weeks) and in Nokia capacity to deliver what he had promised explicity or let you believe in the Ads.
I would also expected that they have fixed the main problems in a more speedy way than they're doing.
All these delays have make many users unhappy (at least in Italy many of the initial buyers have already sold the device because of this) and damaged their confidence in Nokia.

I'm still hope to see a really improvment in PR 1.2 (not only QT and some bux fixes) and I'm still keeping my N900 (also because I invested many Euro in it!) but I'm not really happy about this situation :(.

I had many Nokia phones in the past and would like to stay with N900 for quite a long time...if it is possible !

Regards,
SkyEagle

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SkyEagle, I agree with you in principle, but this is still important with regards to these products: they are N series, not E series.

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Indeed.

SkyEagle, you see I was also considering the E72 beside the N900. The E72 is a kick (unmentionable part) business class phone with everything you seem to be looking for. I would suggest you take a look at it.

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Hi Texrat.

Just to continue my previous post...I don't want to appear only as a moaning user...I want to let Nokia know, as a loyal customer of the brand for many years (personally and also influencing corporate buys) my feedback and my observations, that are really common in many business users.

Business segment is usually the most important one in terms of revenues and importance...

Nokia has managed the Meego announcement in the most terrible way they could have done, originating all these speculations and FUD and user complains around all the forums for the lack of clarity, the perception of being abandoned etc etc (I would not repeat the conceps already expressed by other users again).

Regarding the N series and E series, I'm not fully aware of all the Nokia models (they are really TOO much !...I think they should start simplify all the dozen of models ...look at what Apple did with Iphone !)...but they advertised N900 as a "mobile computer touchscreen" with the same level of functionality in the email, calendar etc etc apps.

I use PC everyday and I know what are the usual common features of email clients, calendar and PIM apps etc so I expected a quite similar feature experience, expecially if they promises in the advertisments!

IT IS NOT ACCEPTABLE for a top level device, a "mobile computer" of 599€, so many limitations in the features of the basic programs. Expecially when ALL the Nokia competitors gave you MUCH MORE STANDARD "business" features in the basic apps that comes with their phone (and also Nokia deliver in many more economic Symbian deivces).

I write this because I would like that Nokia really understand these aspects and feeling common to many many of their loyal customers. PLEASE REPORT THIS TO THE BIG BOSS of Nokia!

I really apreciate the help of many of you, the Nokia guys here (qgil, Vitaly, all the others)...but please tell NOKIA, which is a Big company, the leader in phone market (for now for number of devices, but not more in the high end devices) that need to react QUICKLY, investing money in it or they'll continue to loose many top customer and big clients in the next months....the world is running really too fast and Iphone and Android are taking the leadership of the market.

They already have a big gap in the number of applications and accessories ( see Iphone everywhere)..they need to attract more developers and users in the Meego OS/enviroment.: Making the first adopters of N900 go to other platform is not properly a good start !

To compete with Apple RIM has release the BES server as FREE (BES express) from 1st of March. This is really a big plus for the business user that need to be "online as it happens" :D with his office...so please, Nokia, react and deliver FULL and complete Mail for Exchange, Modest and Calendar sync compatibility with Exchange.

Greets from Italy,
SkyEagle

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Nokia is well-aware of the issues you cite, SkyEagle. Business decisions on resource allocation came down to priority, and some features were determined to be more compelling than others. Hopefully the platform has enough traction and interest now to justify beefing up resources... and I see evidence that this is true.

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No...I didn't have read it by the time of my original post.
Very nice page ! Thanks for the informations.

But now I expect some rapid move from Nokia...not only words ;-)

I really hope that PR 1.2 will be a big improvment.

Keep on with the great job !

Grets from Italy.

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FWIW a N95 with Mail for Exchange has no issues with calendaring or supporting Exchange 2007/2003. And you can use other options for your email (Seven, Profimail).

However, N-series doesn't support encryption and provisoning I think.

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You're right about the provisioning... as we have seen repeated ad nauseum in other threads. :D

But my point about N vs E is all about feature prioritization. Granted there will be some crossover features, but Nokia has maintained a strong distinction between the product lines for some time.

This is just another example of why I think the N900 and its siblings should have had a separate designation. MC maybe?

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For me, they could be called Susan as long they start supporting fully Exchange protocols. If N and E devices are going to be distinguished by media features (screen, media player, etc) ok, but it is time every Nokia device supports Exchange fully with provisioning, encryption, HTML email, etc.

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Why, so that when people criticise, for example, poor media playback capabilities we can claim it's an unjustified criticism because they're not N-series devices? :)

Different designations don't get away from the fact that many of the stock applications on the N900 are lacking basic functionality, in particular Modest and Nokia Messaging which are currently being ignored in b.m.o. For heavens sake, Modest doesn't even do what my N85 used to do with ease! :(

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I got an E71 and I can guess why he didn't pick the E72: the screen is small! Reading the web on it can be painful at times.

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My suggestion goes far beyond a mere two-letter prefix. Nokia wraps major business decisions around those seemingly insignificant things. ;)

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I'd be happy with EN900... best of both worlds - the perfect blend! :)

While I'm not looking for a business-oriented phone/device, the capabilities of Modest, Nokia Messaging and the Calendar are far below what I would expect (indeed, what I *had* 2 years ago) when using a common or garden N-Series phone. For a flagship N-Series device the N900 is a major let-down and Modest seems to be regressing with each PR release. :(

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It seems that this night I will go at home very late :D

In fact I am a reader of the mitic Vitaly (now he's disapperead...I think he's hard working on Mfe issues ;-) )
But the problem is not only provisioning (not much used in Europe in many company), but all the other issue & limitation:
- no support for recurring event sync
- no local/remote decent search in the email/contactcs etc
- no category sync
and we can go on...

:) Don't Know...but the features a device should have, I think, should be more related to the price you ask for that device and how you advertise: a mobile computer of 599€ should have all these aspects top level class and not worse then a 100 euro device....but I think it is quite clear what I would intended to tell...so I stop here...

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:):):):):):):)

I quote all you messagge. Totally agree with you !

I only hope that PR 1.2 will improve at least Modest, since in the meantime it is released Tinymail 1.0 and the authors said that it will be included in PR 1.2 as a Modest upgrade.
It has many nice "new" features that are standard in all the competitors but, still, I would like to see as soon as possible on N900. :):)
See the post:
http://blogs.igalia.com/svillar/2010...-1-0-released/

I'm not so confident however on the Calendar and phone app improvments but I would like to be in error. :(

We'll see in few days/hours I hope !

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Prioritize your top 3 features and then buy the phone corresponding to those features.

Mine were :

1) Open source
2) Wi-Fi browsing
3) Screen Resolution 800x480 and above

Or if you prefer a "mobile browsing device"

SkyEagle's seems to be :

1) Full support Mail for Exchange
2) Complete navigation software
3) Calender + PIN

What I would call a business phone

Nokia naming convention :

Nseries : most advanced
Xseries : social entertainment
Eseries : productivity and business
Cseries : core range of products

So this is why I suggested an E72. If you want all that in one device then I don't know what to tell. Wait a few years maybe ?

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Yeah, I've seen it and it occurred to me that while they can blog about TinyMail they don't seem capable of communicating as effectively where bugs are concerned, and the bugs are racking up. :(

Since Maemo tablets are the only target audience for Modest/Tinymail/whatever I'd have expected to see more "presence" in b.m.o.

Usual Maemo crap though, maybe the Intel & LF guys will help get it right at last.

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1 & 2 are expected features on bog-standard N-Series phones - even my 2.5 year old N85 supports 1 & 2 so it's not unreasonable to expect the latest and most powerful flagship N-Series device to feature likewise. The fact that it doesn't is a problem that should be addressed, not ignored.

Item #3 (Calendar + PIM), yes - poor on most N-Series devices. However for Nokia to keep it that way purely as a means of differentiating N-Series devices from E-Series is not smart when the competition "consumer" phones already have much better Calendar functionality.

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Ok point taken. You could always buy a phone from a competitor. My point is you would still have to ask yourself what are the top 3 features you couldn't live without.

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:) In fact I wanted all of them in one device....well...the open source was not my priority number 1 but a very welcome plus (since I hate the Iphone/Apple lockup of devices and some limitation of 3GS).
Also navigator is not priority number one (since in my car I have a navigation system) but I would like to see as soon as possible a decent Navigator, when I go abroad I used often the navigator on the phone).

I think that it is now possible to have almost of all those requirements, and even more, with the last devices from HTC, Apple, Google etc... I choose Nokia also for the tradition of the brand in good phone devices (Iphone has weak phone reception) my expreience with other devices and the opinion of many initial users were great for this aspect..

But we're going off topic of the thread... :p

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By doing differentiating they try to give customer choice of device that is cost efficient to Nokia and also to customer. Believe it or not there is actually customers who will not want specific function or hardware and they like it that way (it would be packed with too much something..yes some people see it like that). Unfortunately these people are in minority. In my experience, sorry :), it's over 40 old dads (Look Nokia's CEOs, but actually they are starting to get it finally) They did not completely see that right now customers demand everything to be on highest level on this kind of device. Read Ari Jaaksis blog about facebook/twitter people who only care about browser, IM/SMS, video (not spreadsheets and word processing). That´s actually his vision. Fact is that these same "hip" people got to also work :) And they want besides of all the other things all the E-series functionality. So would it make E-series less atractive? Probably. Would it eat e series market? Probably. It´s all about business, but this kind of business is not going to take you long anymore. And actually I see that Nokia is gradually starting to realize this.

I have to agree that right now these device is gradually IMHO going to its orginal price level. For me it would probably have started somewhere about 300 €.

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I don't believe this is being ignored.

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By all means point me to any discussion from the developers where they publicly acknowledge and commit to fixing the known issues?

In an ideal world I would expect you to mention b.m.o, but that's pretty much a Modest developer-free zone these days... ;)