Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Hello all,
I got my N900 2 days ago and the first problem I noticed about it was this inability to create folders. So I think ApMeFo is the best app for it right now.
Now I'm not a dev and probably a noob when it comes to this operating system stuff. But I used apmefo and there is one problem I'd like to address :

So I put all my apps in required folders. But the main menu default stuff like web, contacts, conversations etc I would like them to remain in the main menu and right at the start. So whats happening is that when apmefo is creating folders, the folders end up right from the start at the beginning as the first icons on the menu. But I dont want that, I'd like the other default stuff there. So when I try to move the folders away or bring contacts, web etc to the first icon by holding it for 3-4 seconds, then all the apps inside the apmefo created folder come out and become scattered. And then I have to arrange it all back again. :( Please help.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

After I have reinstall this application, I can create folder but I can not select application to the folder as no response after pressing the "+" button. Please help...

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

I can confirm cmsjkung's bug - today I reinstalled ApMeFo (haven't bothered to since reflash) - it can no longer edit the applications in the folders. I tried "editing" a folder, saving it with the same picture as it was, and it still did nothing. Then I tried deleting the folder and make a new one with same name and image. Nothing shows up in the "Add Apps" tab. <-- Meaning, you can press the "select" button, and the folder list shows up - that's fine. But the app list doesn't load, so you can't remove, re-order, or add programs. (Plus button doesn't bring up anything.)

To be clear, I reinstalled the repos version, I figured I'd wait until your modifications were merged with the original, Hrw, or until you put your fork in the repos by itself. Given that this happened, I might uninstall and install your version, less user-friendly though the process may be.

Edit:

I just checked the /home/user/.local/share/applications/hildon folder.

Every file in there ends with "directory". I thought it was supposed to be "desktop"? Could this have to do with the issue?

Edit 2: Okay, I was wrong. .desktop simply makes the folder disappear from ApMeFo and the menu enirely. .directory is what it needs to be.

For now I'm going back to the manual editing of .menu files in /home/user/.config/menus/submenus - but it's not ideal, obviously.

Edit 3: cmsjkung: Why did you uninstall ApMeFo in the first place. I must note: I reinstalled ApMeFo on a system that did not have all the apps that the original system contained before my N900 went all boot-loop on me. Is it possible that not having all the .desktop application files in /usr/share/applications/hildon/ that the .menu files of ApMeFo refer to is the cause? (Gonna test this by deleting references to the no-longer installed programs from the .menu files.)

- Didn't have time to save edit before figuring this out - didn't work. Other note: Permissions for the .menu folders are -RW-R--R-- . Shouldn't they have another W in one of the latter two sections in order for ApMeFo to be able to write to them?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

well this app make hildon-home consume a lot of cpu like catorize does ?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

same problem here
is there is a way to sort apps into folders manually ?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

i had this problem, until i uninstalled recently installed apps that were still in the main folder, then the problem dissapeared. it works fine again now. dont know if it was a particular .desktop file causing the problem or a bug wih the app

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

this is my diagnosis output if someone willing to help :

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Yamakasi: Yes, you can manually edit the .menu files in /home/user/.config/menus/submenus/ (there's also a hildon.menu file in the menus folder, but that can be mostly left alone unless you want to do other stuff - for instance, I added Deinstall-Kernel-Power to the exclude tag to hide it - but it's not necessary, and if you mess up it can kill your menu in general so you'll have to remember what changes you made and fix it again).

However, manual editing is a pain in the ***. That's what I'm doing right now, but it's unpleasant. Really.

dscobsct: I would experiment, but at this point I already edited my .menu files around and installed a bunch of crap that wasn't there before my reflash, so it's probably a lost cause to track down the bug if it's merely in the .menu and .desktop files. If it's somewhere else in a ApMeFo folder, I may be able to fix it... Will look into it.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

where can i find previous versions of Apmefo ?, i need this app badly and it seems that fixing the bug in the current version will take some time.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

alright i manage to sort apps manually but it's not practical at all, if someone can tell me what's wrong with the app and how can i solve it i will be thankful, i am still waiting for an answer

EDIT : after i installed the app i started immediately to create folders before hitting the activate button, could this be the problem ?

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No clue, and it seems that the original developer is on vacation, and the people who picked it up after him have gone silent as well.

I do not think creating folders without hitting activate is the problem. I think all that activate does is rename the "hildon.menu" file in the /home/user/.config/menus/ folder. I think what was discovered a while ago was that there's a different hildon.menu file somewhere deeper in the system files, and that if you stick another hildon.menu in the ~/.config/menus path, Hildon will use that one. Sorta like conky uses the conky.conf in MyDocs instead of the one that's preinstalled if you have one in that folder.

Anyway, as I understand it, ApMeFo's activate/deactivate buttons rename that file, so if you deactivate it, Hildon just uses the normal system file, and if you activate it, it sees the new hildon.menu appear again, which has higher priority, and reloads that one. If everything is working correctly, that SHOULDN'T cause any bugs.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

I was having this problem. Following the instructions here : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=212 fixed it for me. It was a bad .desktop file. edited it per the instructions in the linked post and the Add Apps tab now works again as intended.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

I thought I had fixed that, and the fix persisted through reflash. If that's really all it is I'm going to be very disappointed with myself for now checking. Massive thanks to you if that's the case though.

EDIT:
Heh, that was exactly it. Works now. I can't believe I didn't think of that (and you may have noticed I had already thanked that post before - when I originally was installing gas-balls seeing that advice after hearing about it break apmefo was what made me actually go for gas-balls at all) - I honestly had this vague impression that .desktop files would still be safe post-fiasco-image reflash. In retrospect, the filepath should've cued me in.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Looks like I have to revert some work (folders window) and release a bit updated version.

Wrong .desktop files problem I have fixed long time ago.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

hi, I got some problems when trying to add shortcut to my submenus, previously, I'm still able to add shortcut, but now its totally not working after selecting a folder.

after running

python /opt/ApMeFo/Main.py

I got the following error

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

I get no errors running
python /opt/ApMeFo/Main.py

But I am unable to add shortcuts to folders. I click the + but no list is brought up.

FIXED: Edited the gass-balls .desktop file

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

there's something called

"IndexError: list index out of range" in verbosed mode

and yeah, same here, I click on the "+" icon and get nothing shows up.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Hrw, I myself knew you fixed it a while ago (wasn't sure if you released the fix though) but some of us are still using the version in the repos. For me it's a convenience thing, others might feel more comfortable that way. *Shrug*

Is there any chance you would upload your fork into extras devel, just call it ApMeFo(specific letter or number or word combination you feel appropriate), and stick "Hrw's fork of ApMeFo," (Optionally: "making certain much requested improvements") in the description?

Or can we get the original developer to hand over maintainer status to you, if he's not working on it anymore? (That said, if Nathabrien still wants to work on it, I'd be more than happy to have your updates pushed to his version.)

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

I can not promise anything - will take a look at it after UDS-N (so in November).

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Any hope to see a native rewrite of this application (i.e. C/C++, not Python)?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

@fms: not by me.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Well this is amusing. I've had ApMeFo in a working state for a few days now. Last night I installed a new app (FileBox - decided I finally wanted a better file manager) and decided to move my File Manager icon in the menu to a folder, instead of having it in my main menu. Opened up ApMeFo, browsed to the right folder, then promptly closed ApMeFo, opened XTerm, browsed to the .menu file, and edited it in Vi.

For some reason, I've gotten attached to the command-line way. No moral of the story or anything of import. I just thought it might amuse some people to hear that after finally getting ApMeFo to work again, I ended up liking the command line way more, even if it's technically slower / more cumbersome.

That's not to say, Hrw, that your progress on ApMeFo is not appreciated. I still think your ApMeFo improvements are rather nice, and I can certainly envision plenty of use-cases where expediency or other considerations would make using the GUI approach more desirable. Plus, I'm probably one of the few people who enjoy the command line over the GUI.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

apmefo was ok on pr1.2 but updated to pr1.3 . now when i when click update folder it responds but doesnt update or give message about update.wondered if python problem as had qt4 experimental on pr1.2 but not on pr1.3 , conflicts so cant re-install and cant remove apmefo as dbusd scripts prevents removal

edit fixed... removed folders from pr1.2 and remade, all ok now...

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

I think I just stumbled on how to arrange the submenus on the main menu.

In hildon.menu, you can specify the order of apps in the <Layout> section. I don't think anyone had been able to arrange the submenu order. I just discovered if you use <Menuname>Name</Menuname> tag, you can order the submenus.

In other words we can set the order of apps and submenus.

Perhaps one of you updating this can add this in to your version. At least it's here for anyone else to use as well.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

This was known since before ApMeFo was made.

But you're right, you CAN edit the order of things this way. And YES, it can be incorporated into ApMeFo. It just hasn't been yet, because, well, I guess it was deemed a mix of unnecessary and less-safe-than-editing-order-in-subfolders. *Shrug*

BTW, similar manual editing is how you can get subfolders in your folders. Just look at how the main menu includes folders, and then include what you want as subfolders in your folders the same way.

Do pay attention to what you change because if Hildon Menu gets messed up and fails to load, you'll have to get to the command line and fix everything from there.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

IMO a ever better solution. It will let you arrange what you want, and then anything else not listed, will be tacked on at the end.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Sorry, I could have sworn I had tried several variations trying to get the submenus to work with the Layout tags.

The only other thing that I have found is to create a "Main" menu, which allows you to add and order apps in the main menu. Downside is that you get a submenu labeled "Main". However, if you rename Main.directory to Main.bak (or remove it altogether) the "Main" submenu disappears. ApMeFo can't edit it any more though. Submenus won't obey layout tags there either.

It should be possible to get ApMeFo to "see" the Main.hildon file so it can be edited and apps added/removed and layout changed.

@pyther I removed the <All/> tag from hildon.menu and created a "More" menu. Edited More.menu to included the <All/> tag and <OnlyUnallocated/> tag. This creates a More submenu much like PR1.0, and all new items go there instead of the main menu.

I prefer that as my main menu stays clean and constant, and new apps are easy to find. Once I decide to keep an app, I move it to the appropriate menu.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

HI, ApMeFo stopped working for me since PR1.3 upgrade :-(

I can still create/delete folders but I can´t add apps into the folders anymore. When hitting the " + " button to get the list of apps for selecting the apps to be added to a folder nothing happens...

Anyone else having this issue or any ideas what I can do to resolve this?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Still works fine for me (though I just do it from the Terminal nowadays). Are you using the ApMeFo from the repository? Or from a few pages back in this thread?

If it's from the repository, did you install one of the programs that's been known to cause it to glitch by having a space in the wrong part of it's .desktop file? (Namely, if you reflashed to PR1.3, did you install Gas-Balls?)

First thing, you go to /usr/share/applications/hildon on your N900 (either from terminal - assuming you have rootsh installed - or from something like Filebox, etc). If you have gas-balls, open gas-balls.desktop and change the line that says:
Name = Gas-Balls
to
Name=Gas-Balls

If you don't have Gas-Balls, or that doesn't fix it, then go through all the other .desktop files in there, and make sure there's no spaces before and after the equal sign in the name line.

Or you can download the latest version made by Hrw - his version already fixed that bug.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

will this ever reach extras?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Is it in testing? Then vote for it if you feel it's good enough (speaking of which, I'll go check now). If it's not in testing, then we need the dev to promote it from devel to testing.

And at this point, we'd be better off if Hrw pushed his fork to devel, then to testing. And we could vote that in from there.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Thanks a lot for your help Mentalist!

I changed the Name-Line in gas-balls.desktop and installed Hrw´s .deb-file (version 0.10-1_all).

But still the same problem:
I can add/delete folders, but when I select a folder and tap the Add-Button nothing happens...

What else can I try?
As far as I understand with the new version I do not have to go through all .desktop files and check for blanks in the "Name"-line, right?

Note: With the new version even "Activate" does not work. Activate/Deactivate worked before upgrade to version 0.10-1
I also have catorise installed, might this cause some kind of conflict even though there was no problem having both ApMeFo and catorise before PR1.3?

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Ok, ApMeFo is working again after I downgraded to the repository version...
Thanks again Mentalist for your support!

However I wish the new version from Hrw would work for me as it seems to be more user friendly!
Hope someone will continue improving ApMeFo!

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Test this version please. If it work then I will upload it to extras-devel/testing.

@Reflektorfalke: Catorise should be uninstalled if you want to test ApMeFo.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Thanks a lot for the new version Hrw!

As described in my previous post I downgraded to the version currently in the repo to get ApMeFo working again (with Catorise installed).

Today I upgraded to your new version - works like a charm and usability is a LOT better!!!
(Would be nice to have "Select App/Folder" dialog also in portrait mode ;-) )

Btw, I have catorise still installed and it does not conflict with ApMeFo. When I deactivate ApMeFo my menu is organized by catorise and after re-activating my ApMeFo folder structure is back - catorise works like a "fall-back solution" ;-)

All in all, awesome job! Please bring this to extras and keep improving this nice toy :-)

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

hint, hint: use 'thanks' link more :)

dialogs in portrait is something on todo list - I will drop 'diagnostics' and 'readme' from menu and add 'todo' there probably.

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Haha, you are right - sorry ;-)
Actually I just wanted to hit the thanks button, but forgot before LOL Probably because I was so excited about this new version ;-)

"Todo-List" sounds good by the way :D

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

By the way, current ApMeFo seems to create a menus file that includes an actual provision for excluding the categorize-created entries. (Since I've looked at it before. It has an entire chunk prefaced with a comment to the effect of "this is stuff being excluded from the main menu just in case the person also has categorize already installed.)

Re: [Announce] ApMeFo (beta 0.9-5) - Create custom folders in your Application Menu
 

Hello! I've been trying to get this app to work but it won't start up. Main.py sais RuntimeError: the sip module implements API v8.0 but the PyQtGui module requires API v7.1. Can anyone help? Thanks!

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@NightShift79

@Hrw

//EDIT:
I just compiled your source and installed the *.deb, but Hrw_ApMeFo doesn't start... It start's loading, but then drop back to Desktop...


I have the same problem... I had bootloop and then i reflashed my n900 and installed backups but now ApMeFo doesn't start just like NightShift79 wrote. I tried 0.9.6 version and 0.10.2 version but nothing wokrs:(. So anybody knows how to fix that?