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nman	2011-05-13 14:17

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 1005372)

Let's be honest with yourself for once guys.
Since when did you ever see a Nokia device have better RAM and CPU power than competitors? Not a time that Nokia device have more RAM that I can think off.

Nokia N95-8G has 128MB while competitors has more than 256MB in the same year. N97 released in 2009 still only packed with 128MB while others has 368-768MB RAM. lol

Nokia hardware has always behind others after the N95.
Why did Nokia never made a sufficient enough RAM and Processor device? and yet it selling at higher price or equal to competitors.

I would scratched my head.
Some pixel density to share:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of..._pixel_density

On the flip side, what if any competitors have 32GB of storage, even now?

Faustino

2011-05-13 14:33

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Nokia don't go all out on specs because up until the last year or so, they've had the market.. they could release average products and people would lap it up.

Leopards don't suddenly change spots..

Anyone expecting the new N9 or N950 to be significantly more powerful than the E7 are going to be very disappointed.

Stonik

2011-05-13 14:57

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Faustino (Post 1005548)

Anyone expecting the new N9 or N950 to be significantly more powerful than the E7 are going to be very disappointed.

N900 already has a faster CPU as Cortex A8 is 1.5X to 2X as fast as the ARM11 in S^3 devices. Broadcom's GPU is on par with PowerVR SGX535 which is a bit quicker than SGX530 (N900). Broadcom chip is really good only at media encoding / decoding, as processing 12mpix cmos sensor data in a fraction of a second requires plenty of number crunching.

So if N9/950 was using only single core 1GHz A8 core with SGX540 gpu, it would be quite a lot faster than E7. Of course I'd still rather see N9/950 using TI OMAP4 SoC. More horse power, more possibilities. :D

Bernard

2011-05-13 15:26

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stonik (Post 1005570)

Broadcom's GPU is on par with PowerVR SGX535 which is a bit quicker than SGX530 (N900).

I don't agree, the Broadcom GPU may be fast when it comes to actual rendering, but it is a LOT less capable than any PowerVR SGX core because of memory issues.

On Symbian^3 devices the broadcom chip only has 32 MB video memory, and because of the hardware accelerated GUI of Symbian^3 some 10 MB is permanently in use, leaving only 22MB for actual textures that can be used inside games.

A PowerVR SGX core has shared memory with the RAM, and is MUCH better suited to play games. The Broadcom was chosen as a cheap solution to make a relatively underpowered phone do video and image processing well. It was never chosen for its gaming/OpenGL capabilities, and that is the whole point of the PowerVR core. For video acceleration maemo uses a different DSP core on the Omap3, that is not PowerVR related.

I would prefer the PowerVR core in the N900 to the Broadcom chip used in Symbian^3 devices.

tissot

2011-05-13 15:41

Re: N9 hits FCC???

I personally don't care about games the least. I want most of all great 1080 video playback thru HDMI out and as smooth UI as you can get.

My expectation are at OMAP36xx and everything above that is a surprise to me, unfortunately because OMAP36xx isn't at least really cutting that HDMI part.

I'm getting Asus Transformer the day it's available here so i could potentially use that device to put out my media. Still hoping for a surprise from Nokia.

The Wizard of Huz

2011-05-13 16:00

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by nman (Post 1005539)

On the flip side, what if any competitors have 32GB of storage, even now?

None. Not with a combination of 32Gb + microsd card. I searched for it. The only thing that comes close is iPhone which comes without a sd card slot, no usb OTG and all the drawbacks of a closed system.

geohsia

2011-05-13 16:12

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by nman (Post 1005539)

On the flip side, what if any competitors have 32GB of storage, even now?

The only one that comes to mind immediately is the iPhone with 32GB of storage.

marxian

2011-05-13 16:17

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by geohsia (Post 1005612)

32GB of RAM.

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

tissot

2011-05-13 16:20

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1005615)

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

http://fsb.zedge.net/content/6/3/3/2...354-6332-t.jpg

You heard it first from here. Iphone is just that amazing.

:D

geohsia

2011-05-13 16:21

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1005615)

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

Hahaha. Getting late over here. 32GB of Storage.

mece	2011-05-13 16:21

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by marxian (Post 1005615)

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

so THAT's why it works so smoothly...

patlak

2011-05-13 16:28

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 1005372)

Which phone had more ram than the N95 8gb in the same year??? Nokia hardware wasn't behind after N95, it improved with the N95 8gb, N82, E90....they got more ram. N95-1 has only 64mb.

RAM in Nokia phones was more than enough, which phone offered 90mb available at boot during that time and could multitask smoothly with 60 apps and more running?

EDIT: Sorry, there was one....I just learned the iphone has 32GB of RAM

patlak

2011-05-13 16:30

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by mece (Post 1005619)

so that's why it works so smoothly...

32gb xdram ;)

cheve

2011-05-13 16:59

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 1005625)

... which phone offered 90mb available at boot during that time and could multitask smoothly with 60 apps and more running?

EDIT: Sorry, there was one....I just learned the iphone has 32GB of RAM

OT: Has one really attempted to multi-task 60 apps and what those 60 apps are doing?

cfh11

2011-05-13 17:33

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheve (Post 1005653)

OT: Has one really attempted to multi-task 60 apps

Yes.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheve (Post 1005653)

and what those 60 apps are doing?

None of your business.:cool:

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 17:50

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 1005253)

You dont care what Nokia will do ?

Hint for the clueless - who do you think PAYS for Maemo.Org and the repositories at the moment ? What do you think will happen to N900 "community support" if TMO forums and the code repositories went away ? The admins here have admitted of Nokia pulled the plug community support will be in BIG trouble as the code repos will not be easily replaceable.

The ecosystem for this new Nokia phone AFAIK does NOT exist yet. Who will pay for the infrastructure to support the community support ? Do you know that yet ? How do you know it can exist independently by itself ?

As with most "head in the clouds" idealists, the issue of who pays the $$$ and practical realities seem to have escaped your attention.

Duh.

Personally I would'nt mind to private send some payment to the community and contribute. Questions is what is there for open alternatives excvept Meego? Android? Not for me...

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 17:53

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by aironeous (Post 1005257)

I'm getting a headache listening to all of your developer type speak.

I have a LG G2X now and it's very fast and I am very happy with how it performs on this thing called android and I'm watching guys making new roms that are faster than stock and they are also modding the crap out of it making it faster and better.
LG is coming out with some meego phones next month so lets see what that is all about
This N950 better be dual core and a gpu and a nice big screen and have flash or I'm not buying.

Next month!? Since when was this announced? As far as I know they planerd to show some protoype device and howto install MeegoDE on already existing LG phones. I have never heard of any full announcement of a new Meego handset.

But I maybe wrong officiall link would be nice :-)

ceroberts75

2011-05-13 18:42

Re: N9 hits FCC???

ill be going to the meego conf in sf this month. hope to see it!

samipower

2011-05-13 18:50

Re: N9 hits FCC???

but really specificactions??
cpu , gpu , ram , display ? lcd ? amoled?

nothing still or yes ?

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 18:56

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mc_mice (Post 1005332)

The speed had improved from the earlier versions of the phone, can´t say this was because of the better firmware or the hardware changes ( which I could not verify).

The cam resolution was 12mpix and the screen resolution was 800x460. The latter is just quessing, but compared to my wonderful N900, it looked pretty much the same.

Sorry for not giving exact specs, as I was only viewing the usage, not actually using it.myself :)

I hope it doesnt mean its that "fat" as our beloved N900? It would hurt if it was a bit "skinnier" (but with 4" screen ofcourse)

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 19:03

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005351)

It is Maemo 6 Its Not MeeGo, no matter how nokia try and spin it

Are you a developer? Can you give me one library which is not the same as in Meego?

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 19:07

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 1005378)

I remember this, too. OTOH, a "terminal" as we have on the N900 is just another application. I don't care much if they have it installed out of the box... Some say it confuses end users, so it'd be better to drop it. As long as you can easily install it from a repository, what's the difference?

Agree. The xterm is bigfail on handset anyway.

Hint: someone should do a app better terminalapp in QtQuick for Meego handset :-)

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 19:12

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by tswindell (Post 1005413)

There is certainly a Harmatten Terminal application, as it's being open sourced for N900 MeeGo Developer Edition in order to replace the current standard xterm we use, that doesn't work very well with the VKB. There is a possibility that the Terminal program isn't installed by default (though I find this unlikely) but it probably will be hidden away. I also here it's quite good. So lets see :)

what? when was this added to N900de sounds promising :-) Is this added to repository.maemo.org/meego/n900-de image or do I have to install it manually?

NvyUs

2011-05-13 19:20

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1005720)

Are you a developer? Can you give me one library which is not the same as in Meego?

I do not need to be a developer and rattle of package names to know Nokia are about to sell end users another dead end OS.
Its OK saying install MeeGo.com OS on it but for 99% of end users that will not do when they will have to give up stores and maps and the like.
And I don't need to be developer to read up on all these things and know the differences.

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 19:26

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005728)

Well I am not developing that much for the meego community. but I am following Qt progress, mailinglists and tweeking with my N900.

Most of the stuff on N900 is the same as in Meego and the rest of the Linux community.

Soo I am sure Harmattan is the same. You maybe will not have access o the lower level drivers (GFX etc) and some apps. But who will peek on those anyways?

But if you prefer openess what is there for alternatives today?

NvyUs

2011-05-13 19:30

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1005731)

Well I am not developing that much for the meego community. but I am following Qt progress, mailinglists and tweeking with my N900.

Most of the stuff on N900 is the same as in Meego and the rest of the Linux community.

Soo I am sure Harmattan is the same. You will not have access o the lover level drivers and some apps.

But if you prefer openess what is there for alternatives today?

Tell me why I don't know what I'm talking about you nob?
Looks like I know more than you look at uninformed crap you was coming out with recently.
Harmattan is now fully MeeGo?
where did nokia ever say they will .debs?
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...7&postcount=38
lol

patlak

2011-05-13 19:35

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Before your EDIT:

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1005731)

Well I am not developing that much in the community but one is for sure. But I can se now that you not know what you are talking about.

Like you have any clue of what you are talking about?

patlak

2011-05-13 19:40

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005735)

Just let him be ;)

NvyUs

2011-05-13 19:43

Re: N9 hits FCC???

This Post on the Mailing list answers all the things you got wrong in last link i posted.
http://maemo.org/community/maemo-com...n_posts_page=3

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 19:55

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005735)

Tell me why I don't know what I'm talking about you nob?

Changed my post above at the same time you replayed Sorry..

But you dont give me any good example on what is not Meego in harmattan and thats why I dont take it "serious".

Here is some examples for you why I disagree with you :-)

Both Harmattan and Meego are using:

Linux

QTMobiltity/Qt(Quick)

"Lowerlever API" DBus to communicate with the hardware

Opono

differences that we know of already:

The UI is not libmeegotouch cause its deprecated. Instead its "Nokias" qt-components. But companys ARE alllowed too use theyr own UI layer instead of the reference design. But I am sure most of the UI will be opensourced VERY soon, atleast what I have heard of in the mailinglist)

Debian instead of RPM package manager (this is the only question why its not can be called Meego compliant AFAIK)

Some that may be there and wil be closedsource, same goes here companys are allowed to include closed apps and still call the device Meego compliant:

OviMaps

GFX driver

some drivers

Adobe crap Flash

Microsoft crap Skype

crap like DRM

And yes for many endusers this closed apps are impoortant. Personally I dont give a **** if they're not included in "DE version". Its up to the enduser to decide. If they want closed apps and full "support" they should by some other device. Maybe a WP7 phone or Iphone? Or maybe Android?

As I have said before NO company will EVER release a fully open device! And at the same time have closed apps included. And dont come say Android is fully opensource cause its NOT!

This is not only the Nokias decisions this is also Adobe, Microsoft and the chipmanufactors decisions. Bussiness as usual.

NvyUs

2011-05-13 20:01

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Let's just wait till next week no need for us to argue over stuid things when not long to wait.

sjgadsby

2011-05-13 20:08

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005760)

...no need for us to argue over stuid things when not long to wait.

I ask you to respect the fine traditions of this Internet forum and curb that sort of radical talk.

NvyUs

2011-05-13 20:19

Re: N9 hits FCC???

omg I misspelled Stupid how stuid do I look now :):):):D

TheLongshot

2011-05-13 21:08

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005747)

This Post on the Mailing list answers all the things you got wrong in last link i posted.
http://maemo.org/community/maemo-com...n_posts_page=3

And Quim disagrees with him.

While it might not be straight Meego, it does look like it is more Meego than it is Maemo 5, which would make sense.

NvyUs

2011-05-13 21:29

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quim is putting the nokia spin on it.
Its not MeeGo if it was why are they working so hard behind the scenes to get it accepted by meego.com?
He says later if its not MeeGo then its not Maemo either, that says all we need to know really and the amount of spin they are putting on it.
The no fremantle UX and no Hildon reasons for it not being Maemo are mute points b/c before maemo 5 there was no Fremantle UX and before MeeGo even existed there was going to be no hildon in Maemo 6.
Nokia are going to have a marketing Nightmare if its not accepted as MeeGo so.

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 21:39

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005795)

Quim is putting the nokia spin on it.
Its not MeeGo if it was why are they working so hard behind the scenes to get it accepted by meego.com?
He says later if its not MeeGo then its not Maemo either, that says it all really, its like a bastard child of both but is neither.
the no fremantle UX and no Hildon reasons for it not being Maemo are mute points b/c before maemo 5 there was no Fremantle and before MeeGo even existed there was going to be no hildon in Maemo 6.

You still saying this but you can still not prove youre right.

The reason they still working behind the seens is because Elop ****ed up everything and Intel people is not that possitive about Nokia now.

But saying Harmattan is not Meego is wrong. Yo have too convince
me with FACTS not rumors.

The facts I have given above is atleast more true than you and other trolls in this forum.

tissot

2011-05-13 21:42

Re: N9 hits FCC???

....so all got to vent out so we can move on?
http://www.upload.ee/image/1338869/oho.gif
:confused: :D
Hopefully we got some Russian members online here.

NvyUs

2011-05-13 21:44

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 1005801)

You still saying this but you can still not prove youre right.

You're just a troll! Like many others on this forum.

Yep I'm a TROLL WHO'S TROLLING A TROLL

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 21:47

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheLongshot (Post 1005785)

And Quim disagrees with him.

While it might not be straight Meego, it does look like it is more Meego than it is Maemo 5, which would make sense.

Can all those people here tell me why its not Meego? What is Meego for you guys!?

Seems somewhere has totally misunderstand what Meego really is. It seems to me some of you may think Meego is the "UI" and thats not the case!

mikecomputing

2011-05-13 21:50

Re: N9 hits FCC???

Quote:

Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 1005805)

Yep I'm a TROLL WHO'S TROLLING A TROLL

Prove I am wrong then with facts :-P

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