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nieldk

2012-06-29 13:17

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1229004)

So what you are saying is that everyone who has complained bitterly in some cases you still feel the council just need to talk about this and this matter should only be dealt with by the council? ok you might have a point there because there are no procedures in place to contol the council of this community should it ever fall foul and do something wrong.

How can we do something about this, if we dont talk about it ? I dont understand your point !
What exactly are you looking for, a hitman ? ;)

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1229004)

The reason the arguments are going circle is simple, nothing is being done about about this matter and it is so serious it could even bring down this community because the whole world of this community and beyond is watching and reading all of this, you memers of council need to realise this and do your talking promptly before you lose complete respect and let everyone know just what your going to do about all of this.

To complain nothing is being done is not true, you can see the responses from individual council members, who have agreed that action is needed.
So, to claim we dont take this serious, is not true at all.

abill_uk

2012-06-29 13:19

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If you read the tags they spell this out exactly for what is is and that is we have a council that have failed in there duty by being dishonest and untrustworthy to the whole community
.

None of the tags are from me i would like to say and if they dont speak for the actions of the council and for the council to take serious note of it all and do somehting about it then this community will never ever be the same again..... members of the council need to think about this also ok.

nieldk

2012-06-29 13:24

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1229013)

I repeat one, and only one time again. We are aware of all that have been said, and we will adress it.
BTW, the tags are not from me either. I have no idea who put them, anyone I believe can add tags!
Is this what this is down to now ? Randomly put tags ?
Pitiful!

abill_uk

2012-06-29 13:35

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Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1229016)

If your answer to all of this is "pitiful!" then you clearly do not see the implications of the actions you have taken as council of this community.

I personally think you are all going to regret this very much in the long run and if you all carry on evading this issue by attempting to throw it back at the members then god help you all is all i can think.

nieldk

2012-06-29 13:41

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1229020)

Pitiful, as in you are saying it is enough for the council to read the tags.
We need to look at ALL of this thread, with the arguments that have been towards us, and action WILL be taken! We do not take this easily.
Like you, and so many else have said now over and over and over again, and the repeated again. Errors was made. They have been confirmed and Acknowledged.

And DO NOT THREATEN me ! with statements that I will regret this ! What are you insinuating ? an assassin ?

I am one of the guys that are with you on this

ZogG	2012-06-29 13:42

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Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1229000)

While all you say, in my opinion, is quite true. I must add.
1. The issues argued here will be dealt with on the council.
2. Closing this thread, its not a 'threat'. But the arguments being thrown is circular. I think the important bits have been mentioned (and commented) over and over again, and to my opinion, it doesnt serve a purpose anymore. Except, for posting the outcome of the council discussion on personal attacks, how to avoid this in the future, etc. etc.

thanks, that's the reasonable answer, and that what made the second wave(2nd thread) as it wasn't done at meeting after. I hope for understanding and acceptance. I'm maybe stubborn but i just wanted awareness for community and council itsself and when it's here i hope for real discussion and answers for now and future. and if it doesn't work between you, i look forward for actions if needed. Thank you.

Edit: my proposal is still the same btw

vetsin

2012-06-29 13:43

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1228988)

For me Maemo.org has lost the plot and i am sure many feel the same but too scared to speak out.

for what it's worth, i would like to speak up so that my silence will not be given a different meaning and not be included in the "many" that you speak of: I am satisfied with the discussions that I have seen and I trust that the Council, which is more than one man, will sort this out among themselves in the spirit of the community.
now, can we move on?

---nothing follows--

abill_uk

2012-06-29 13:47

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1229023)

I actually applaud you for coming to talk with everyone and for your benefit what is meant by you are all going to regret is what everyone will think of the council of this community so please dont put words in my mouth for your benefit ok.

Dousan

2012-06-29 13:51

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Originally Posted by vetsin (Post 1229007)

Dave999, i'm sure you can handle this one!
i'm counting on you! :p

EDIT: just stumbledupon this:
An old Cherokee told his grandson: "My son, there's a battle between two wolves inside us all. One is Evil. It's anger, jealousy, greed, resentment, inferiority, lies and ego. The other is Good. It's joy, peace, love, hope, humility, kindness and truth." The boy thought about it and asked: "Grandfather, which wolf wins?". The old man quietly replied: "The one you feed."

So true @vetsin and this thread is deffo feeding the 'evil' one more than the good one.

I just love this saying, but not always easy to live by.

Regards Dousan...

This community is doing business as usual elsewhere here on TMO, this wont bring down maemo.org that's a whole other story/problem.

nieldk

2012-06-29 13:53

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1229028)

Thanks! And you are absolutely right on this one. But we need to do whatever we can to regain the trust in this community. However can we otherwise be of any benefit to anyone!

abill_uk

2012-06-29 14:42

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Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1229031)

Thanks! And you are absolutely right on this one. But we need to do whatever we can to regain the trust in this community. However can we otherwise be of any benefit to anyone!

I really do like your attitude your an asset to this community, i am sure everyone is waiting with baited breath for your answer to all of this mess.

At least everyone will i am sure think of you in a good way so please keep up your good work and attitude, many thanks from me at least !.

THANKYOU nieldk.

rcolistete

2012-06-29 15:19

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Originally Posted by kojacker
I wanted to answer it here in the hope we can keep any bad feeling from spilling over onto the coding competition thread

Nice words, thanks.

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Originally Posted by kojacker
We have 25 devices to be won (plus Felipe's donated N9 makes 26). If your proposal was that anyone disappointed to miss out on a community award should enter the coding competition then I would think that's great! However, your proposal seems to be that we ring fence some devices from our competition and assign them sepcifically for people not to compete with everyone else on a fair basis in the rules of the competition. I hope you can understand that's a non-starter

I've proposed 2 possibilities :
- create a "hors-concours"/"special system softwares" category. Ok, it is not possible due to the timing of the "Coding Competition" (already started and rules fixed);
- the 3 cited authors participate in "Coding Competition", being accepted in "Updates to existing application" category. If so, I suggested to increase the number of devices for this categories from 3 to 4-5 devices.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kojacker
I also hope you can work out any issues with the community awards directly with the council.

I've already talked a lot with the council in some TMO topics. There is no solution being proposed from the council to solve the issues of eyes, isnotabigtruck and qole not receiving a award device.

But I am contacting qgil about another personal and partial solution.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kojacker :
Neither of the organisers of the coding competition (myself or zehjotkah) have ever been elected to council nor are we affiliated with Nokia. We don't have any involvement with the community awards, and we'd like the coding competition to remain seperate also.

Yeah, I know, thanks.

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Originally Posted by kojacker
Again, we're open to everyone. If anyone would like one of our prizes then please come enter and earn one - we'd love to see you get involved! But that's the only way you'll get one.

I will try to convince eyes, isnotabigtruck and qole to participate in the "Coding Competition".

rcolistete

2012-06-29 15:24

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1228938)

Even though most have agreed this is sufficient (not, for sure, perfect) there still seems to be a few people that wants to have 'their heroes' awarded a device, no matter what it takes.

Please, as council members, let you all refrain to write provocative statements.

I am trying to give a solution without your (council) help, so please at least don't disturb it.

rcolistete

2012-06-29 15:25

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Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1228939)

Please do. Its going in circles with same arguments, from both parties.

No, it would be a non-democratic act. The purpose of this topic is valid and needed.

kojacker

2012-06-29 15:29

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1229071)

I will try to convince eyes, isnotabigtruck and qole to participate in the "Coding Competition".

Great, they'll be very welcome if they'd like to join in :)

Acidspunk

2012-06-29 15:41

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

Can we please let this die already? Please.

rcolistete

2012-06-29 17:08

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But I am contacting qgil about another personal and partial solution.

So here is my solution, I am donating/diverting my Nokia N9 (award from "New Apps for Nokia Store" activity due to "SymPy Interactive Shell" software) to itsnotabigtruck :

Topic "Donating (award) devices to eyes, isnotabigtruck and qole ?"

If possible anybody (from "Community Awards" or "Coding Competition") could help to exchange the N9 for a N950, as a N950 was the preference of itsnotabigtruck.

And feel free to donate to eyes and qole, they need a N950 and N9, respectively.

don.edri

2012-06-29 17:50

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Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1229117)

Man, you have the biggest cojones of us all in this thread, possibly this TMO. A big tip of a hat, respect and bravo from my side to you!

Frappacino

2012-06-29 17:53

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i thought abill_uk was the biggest *** on these boards.

Turns out I was wrong - a bigger *** is on the council itself

Sorry abill_uk - you gotta hand over the turd crown now

Frappacino

2012-06-29 17:55

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You sir are the spirit that once made this community great.

A startling contrast to those who preport to represent it now.

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Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1229117)

abill_uk

2012-06-29 18:02

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 1229133)

i thought abill_uk was the biggest *** on these boards.

Turns out I was wrong - a bigger *** is on the council itself

Sorry abill_uk - you gotta hand over the turd crown now

Ok give them a chance now, i have said my piece now i rest i am sure something good will become of this.

Am actually believe it or not, not a *** i just have more balls than most on here (comes with age you know) and i am not liked for my outspokeness and bluntness but there you go every board needs one ;).

Suggest now everyone just wait and see what happens so enough i think of the name calling etc from everyone.

rcolistete

2012-06-29 18:28

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by Frappacino (Post 1229135)

You sir are the spirit that once made this community great.

A startling contrast to those who preport to represent it now.

It is not a black / white (binary) dilemma. The council board has made some minor mistake in the start of the Community Awards and the problem has taken big proportions during and after the results without any concrete solutions.

IMHO, the council board still works for the benefit of the Maemo/MeeGo community, and some (post edit : or all, I don't have the knowledge to judge anybody) of them indeed deserve community award devices.

Let's keep the Maemo/MeeGo community alive and strong, despite Step#%n El@p sabotage @ Nokia, etc.

Kozzi

2012-06-29 18:41

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Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1229151)

..
Let's keep the Maemo/MeeGo community alive and strong, despite Step#%n El@p sabotage @ Nokia, etc.

Thanks for this message.

kojacker

2012-06-29 18:58

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcolistete (Post 1229117)

So here is my solution, I am donating/diverting my Nokia N9 (award from "New Apps for Nokia Store" activity due to "SymPy Interactive Shell" software) to itsnotabigtruck :

Well done to you for taking the initiative, rcolistete! It's clear you really care about itsnotabigtruck's project very much, I hope he appreciates your generosity :)

Quote:

If possible anybody (from "Community Awards" or "Coding Competition") could help to exchange the N9 for a N950, as a N950 was the preference of itsnotabigtruck.

It took a couple of weeks to sort out our prize split and it's balanced across our categories so I wouldn't want to change it, else we'd be back to discussing everything again :o So please try and see if you can get an arrangement with one of the community award winners or one of the selected Qt Apps developers. There was a shortage of N9s in the Qt App programs at one stage so you might have some luck there. Else you could maybe swap with one of the coding competition winners but I understand you don't want to wait until the competition is completed. Fingers crossed you'll get someone to swap :)

Texrat

2012-06-29 22:19

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

Quote:

Originally Posted by abill_uk (Post 1229140)

i am not liked for my outspokeness and bluntness.

Outspokenness and bluntness are ipso facto never the actual problem.

Estel

2012-06-29 23:22

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1228938)

There seems to be a common agreement that we, the council, made some errors in procedures.
It is difficult, if not impossible, to change that. Many, most, including myself, have apologized and admitted to this.

Please, separate NielDK's personal opinions from whole Council stance - just they way You *should* separate my opinions, from things marked as coming from whole Council.

If NielDK's came to conclusion, that he made some errors i procedure re CA, I'll leave it to him - but, AFAIK, it's only his personal opinion, no0t related to whole Council, and - again, AFAIK - most Councilors don't agree here.
---

I'm very glad, that attempts to hijack devices from wonderful Coding Competition have failed. OTOH, it would be absolutely fantastic, to see entires with some useful projects from people, that were not CA winners and protested here.

I'm keeping my thumbs for switching from generating multi-lines of posts to lines of code :)
---

Just to make things clear - if some people unsatisfied by Ca results are willing to sponsor few devices, for - in their opinion - more deserving ones, I'll absolutely keep thumbs for this idea, and, as said, Council is willing to help, if needed.

If, OTOH, someone would try to hijack prizes from other categories, in attempt to give "freebies" for someone (or self0, I'll do everything I can, to prevent that - you can take it as granted.

/Estel

ZogG	2012-06-29 23:32

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Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1229208)

I would like to give your device to someone who deserves more, freebie!

Estel

2012-06-30 00:05

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

Fine enough - so keep "liking"? I don't see, how jealous "willing" to hijack someone's else device is related to this topic. You see someone, that in Your opinion, should be awarded? Donate device Yourself, or even start something as great, as Coding Competition is (which started with only 50 bucks as a pool).

In other words, do something Yourself, instead of checking possibilities to rob someone.

/Estel

ZogG	2012-06-30 00:20

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Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1229224)

I don't see you starting something useful either, and i see only you robbing others device. But how can i resist the voice of maemo and council, the one that knows everything, that goes forward only by merit, he holy Estel.

Estel

2012-06-30 00:33

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

Still trolling around, eh? And some people though, that this thread it's going to turn into something practical.

I wish You, really, that Your disregard for other's contributions, and hate toward everyone who doesn't follow your (fckd upside down) morality, won't burn You out, from inside. At least now, it reminds me of some infamous psychopaths - which is, probably, perceived as compliment by You...

Have fun, kid, I'm, un-subscribing again.

/Estel

misterc

2012-06-30 00:39

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Originally Posted by Estel (Post 1229224)

enjoy your term on the council.
it is likely to be your last one...

gerbick

2012-06-30 05:19

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

How do we uninstall a council member? Are their any ways to do that?

In America, we removed a governor. I'm sure there's some checks and balances in place to remove a council member.

lma	2012-06-30 06:22

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1229266)

How do we uninstall a council member? Are their any ways to do that?

No, our "founding fathers" didn't cover that. But then again, the council is not a governing body and the next election is less than 5 months away.

abill_uk

2012-06-30 06:37

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Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1229266)

How do we uninstall a council member? Are their any ways to do that?

In America, we removed a governor. I'm sure there's some checks and balances in place to remove a council member.

Can you be more specific as to which one/s ? i do find this rather symbolic as it has never occured on here before where a council has been elected and from the off they do wrong.

I would defo like to see estel removed for one.

Dave999

2012-06-30 06:51

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

Hi whiners.
gear up run for the next council if you think you have what it takes. That is how you make things happen.not sit here in this cave en complaining just about everything.

lol estel and gerbick in the same council. Now that would be fun and probably educational for both.

Dousan

2012-06-30 07:19

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 1229266)

How do we uninstall a council member? Are their any ways to do that?

In America, we removed a governor. I'm sure there's some checks and balances in place to remove a council member.

Code:

devel-su

rootme

#apt-get purge 'councilors_name'

#reboot

Regards Dousan...

nieldk

2012-06-30 10:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Dousan (Post 1229293)

Code:

devel-su

rootme

#apt-get purge 'councilors_name'

#reboot

Regards Dousan...

:) love that comment
Btw I really encourage you all to join council meetings every Friday at 1800 UTC and have a look and to express /join with your opinions - but, please in good manners

dumpystig

2012-06-30 10:42

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

Hmm...

A few pages back I was informed that some good was actually being developed in this thread.

After reading the last few pages I still see vitriol and spite.

I also see displays of childishness and selfishness that are really quite amazing. But mostly disappointing.

This whole thread/topic has degenerated into an embarrassing slanging match. I think it's time for texrat to do his deed.

ZogG	2012-06-30 10:43

Re: Community Council Thread - Questions, Solutions and Grievances

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Originally Posted by nieldk (Post 1229335)

:) love that comment
Btw I really encourage you all to join council meetings every Friday at 1800 UTC and have a look and to express /join with your opinions - but, please in good manners

I would like to see the answer for that first — http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...14#post1229214

And i don't want to wait till re-election.

ZogG	2012-06-30 10:47

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Originally Posted by dumpystig (Post 1229345)

If you pay attention, you would see when the topic got back to it state.

Btw it's funny, after woody(1) didn't participate because of the conflict of interests. And SD69(2) told that he thought that 2 people would judge and he saw the problem and neildk(3) said imistake was made.
Estel just said it all their personal opinion, as Council think different. How it can think different if 3/5 people do not agree with him, or he thinks he is the whole council?

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