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w00t	2013-11-28 12:46

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

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Originally Posted by Venty (Post 1390073)

That's all I'm asking. I read somewhere, that Jolla plans to release updates monthly, but nothing official.

We aim for monthly. Whether or not we can pull it off, let's see. I'm cautiously optimistic. :)

Venty

2013-11-28 12:47

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

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Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1390066)

That is exactly the use case for MMS, to send picture postcards to your grandma who does not have email.

And that is what I use it for on a regular basis. Like SMS but with multiedia attachment. Although it is all kinds of people I send MMS to.

Venty

2013-11-28 12:49

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

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Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1390076)

We aim for monthly. Whether or not we can pull it off, let's see. I'm cautiously optimistic. :)

Hopefully, the users (like me) will not get tired of updating their phones every month. :) Oh well, I should first get my Jolla now.

Rauha

2013-11-28 12:54

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MMS was important to me around the time when original iPhone and N900 were around. I was really annoyed about the lack of of MMS in the N900

Since then the old farts/fossils in my life have learned to use far better alternatives, so I don't care, but I understand that some people still need the feature.

bennypr0fane

2013-11-28 13:00

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

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Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1390061)

This is just a general comment, but it does involve MMS. This is also a personal statement, not something necessarily company-endorsed.

Shipping a working mobile OS is already a lot of work. The more features you add, the more work is involved - but the amount of people you have to split that work in our case is quite constant (and the lesson enshrined by the "mythical man month" is that adding a bunch more people won't necessarily solve that problem any more quickly - it may make the situation worse, even).

So you have three essential parameters you can tweak: features (+/-), quality (+/-), schedule (+/-). Pick any two.

We chose to ship something that we hope is of an acceptable quality on our target schedule, and look at adding more features through software updates. Hopefully when we look back at this in 6 months, that'll seem like a good choice. :)

I for one am happy that you guys chose to do everything on schedule. While I will be missing some features at first, I know you'll be improving on the OS all the time so no worries.
I'd have hated for that thing to happen to you (I was sort of expecting it really) that is super common to a lot of startups with ambitious new product (think RaspberryPi, Ouya, etc....), when rollout and delivery is delayed and delayed again for nobody cares what reasons. I'm pretty sure your proving that you can deliver as planned will be a strong selling point in the future, and I congratulate you on that. In the meantime, I count on Sailfish becoming full-featured soon enough! :cool:

kollin

2013-11-28 13:03

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

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Originally Posted by bennypr0fane (Post 1390081)

And Vivaldi project also was delayed ... :(

ggabriel

2013-11-28 13:10

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w00t: I know that what I'll ask is probably not in your court and it's also probably quite difficult to achieve, but here it goes: is there any chance that Jolla can publish a short term roadmap of features that Sailfish OS will definitely have?

I'm not looking for release dates or anything, but something like "we are definitely working in CalDAV and that will come eventually". This will probably help ease some of the expectation of folks out there considering whether to get the phone or not.

Some of these features have been mentioned in this thread, but a roadmap peek that comes officially from Jolla would be a lot better!

bennypr0fane

2013-11-28 13:11

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

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Originally Posted by ste-phan (Post 1390074)

in parallel: port fMMS (MMS hopefully from Maemo) -> dev fMMS
eventually integrate MMS -> Jolla

Why does everyone want to wait around for Frals to port fMMS. This is an open source package, is it not? Get the code from garage and have at it!
That's what I am usually told whenever I ask about application x missing y or not doing z, even though I am not a developer (I keep wondering if it's best to put that information in one's signature in communities such as this one).

Larswad

2013-11-28 13:11

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@JanneEdelman:

THATS just what I wanted to see, many many many thanks for those great pictures. :)

What I was interested in was the backside pictures, and YES, there it is: Three places with "golden" contact terminals for the jolla other half to connect its i2c and NFC. Its all we need, and no doubt there will be third party hardware with qwert and other stuff in case jolla or partners doesn't come up with great hardware for this.

This is one of the main great things with the Jolla device!!!

att	2013-11-28 13:16

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1390061)

So you have three essential parameters you can tweak: features (+/-), quality (+/-), schedule (+/-). Pick any two.

We chose to ship something that we hope is of an acceptable quality on our target schedule, and look at adding more features through software updates. Hopefully when we look back at this in 6 months, that'll seem like a good choice. :)

In what way Jolla would like to receive bug reports?

m4r0v3r

2013-11-28 13:16

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I'd rather have a polished phone that works, rather than a phone with half of the stuff broken or buggy as.,

w00t	2013-11-28 13:17

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

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Originally Posted by ggabriel (Post 1390085)

I personally have hopes that we'll start talking about that sort of thing more publicly. Give us some time for the dust to settle from the launch first, and also keep in mind Christmas is coming, which makes planning/executing a bit more difficult due to holidays.

ggabriel

2013-11-28 13:17

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Originally Posted by att (Post 1390089)

In what way Jolla would like to receive bug reports?

Doesn't the zendesk portal work for you? You can report things there and then Jolla can turn them into internal bugs for tracking.

w00t	2013-11-28 13:18

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by att (Post 1390089)

In what way Jolla would like to receive bug reports?

At the moment, I think contacting care is probably the best idea: http://jolla.com/care

ggabriel

2013-11-28 13:20

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Can whoever can edit the FAQ (http://piratepad.net/ep/pad/view/ro.MLba1kXW2/latest) add to the maps section (regarding +/- bar in favour of the pinch to zoom or double tap): please consider zooming in/out using volume up/down if +/- bar isn't UI friendly as I reckon this feature is critical to use the phone with one hand.

Also, if turn by turn navigation can be clarified - turn by turn != directions. Turn by turn tells you what to do next as you are navigating (Nokia Drive like).

Alternatively, let go of the edit mode so that I can take over for a little bit ;-)

Thanks!

Larswad

2013-11-28 13:21

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

If you keep the phone in the charger, can you then take out and put back battery without the phone "dying"?

w00t	2013-11-28 13:32

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

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Originally Posted by Larswad (Post 1390095)

If you keep the phone in the charger, can you then take out and put back battery without the phone "dying"?

No. USB alone isn't enough to power it while powered up.

kollin

2013-11-28 13:37

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

May be piratepad.net/JollaSUGGESTIONS is not a bad idea?

Makeclick

2013-11-28 13:40

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I think the best way to get android apps is http://www.appsapk.com/. Yandex and other is not that good and it is hard to get Yandex even working, if you live in Finland :D

I love my Jolla :). We need updates, but now i beleave, that Jolla will update/upgrade devices very fast! Hmm.. could i get Google store working ;)? Let see....

Makeclick

2013-11-28 13:44

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One anoying thing... Browser is... not so good. Now i know why they didn't show that :). Andoid firefox is fine :)

gerbick

2013-11-28 13:45

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Originally Posted by Makeclick (Post 1390106)

One anoying thing... Browser is... not so good. Now i know why they didn't show that :). Andoid firefox is fine :)

Not disputing you here; just asking... what are you comparing it to exactly? Scrolling speed, responsiveness, rendering speeds?

kollin

2013-11-28 13:46

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

So "devel-su" gets you in the dev accout in contrast with "su" that will make you root? Is that correct?

Rauha

2013-11-28 13:47

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Makeclick can you comment on why the default broweser isn't any good.? Helsingin Sanomat said that its fast, but the controls are slow/buggy. You agree?

nyon	2013-11-28 13:53

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Does the vkb support transparency? Also does it have modifier keys? (Ctrl, Alt,Super) They are very useful for VNC and RDP.

Thoke

2013-11-28 13:58

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

I'll paste the link of the piratepad FAQ to OP so people needn't to ask the same questions again. Good idea, that FAQ!

Lumiaman

2013-11-28 13:58

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

How is email implementation or mail for exchange as well as syncing of calendars etc. does it support multiple exchange protocols, can you attach files to your emails from within the email, does it come with word reading and PDF reading app, does it have provisioning for corporate email.

Still unclear are the basics, how is the VKB? Is it as good as iphone, what about text size, is it adjustable?

w00t	2013-11-28 14:05

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

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Originally Posted by kollin (Post 1390108)

So "devel-su" gets you in the dev accout in contrast with "su" that will make you root? Is that correct?

devel-su gets you root.

droll

2013-11-28 14:06

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

swype is patented by IBM.

bockersjv

2013-11-28 14:08

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

No adjustable text sizing anywhere. vkb far better than N9, but no native Swype.
Browser for me is poor because it is portrait only and for sites including this one I have to keep pinch zooming on every page turn. It is fast though but I may try Firefox just for the landscape.
No ability to add words to the dictionary, well not that I have discovered yet.

I also did a fresh install one back in the UK and now the experience is much better and my sd card has kicked back into life.

NokiaFanatic

2013-11-28 14:09

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Would really like to see a video of e-mail syncing.

Larswad

2013-11-28 14:09

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1390115)

devel-su gets you root.

Then i'd set an alias for devel-su to 'root'.
Rather type root than that every time.
Can you do single-line elevated execution using devel-su,? like:
sudo ...

kollin

2013-11-28 14:09

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by w00t (Post 1390115)

devel-su gets you root.

I don't get it! The FAQ says:

Code:

Q. Is it possible to change root password with "passwd" command?

A. Should be fine. Note that devel-su requires the nemo user's password, not the root password.

:confused::confused:

Is devel-su makes you root with user's password (like sudo)?
Can i still use "su -" ?

w00t	2013-11-28 14:11

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by kollin (Post 1390120)

Is devel-su makes you root with user's password (like sudo)?
Can i still use "su -" ?

If you install it (or if it's available on retail images - I don't know off the top of my head) - then yes, you can use it if you want.

bockersjv

2013-11-28 14:11

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Any other users confirm that only the left hand speaker works? Music app is good, in fact the more you use the phone the more you get used to the gesture navigation, takes a good few hours of intensive play though.
I do have one menu that I cannot get back to without closing the app, I'm trying other possibilities before I post it as an issue.

m4r0v3r

2013-11-28 14:15

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Quote:

Originally Posted by droll (Post 1390116)

swype is patented by IBM.

haha maybe I can go ask for the patent now then :P Am sure they wouldn't begrudge an employee one patent :P

NokiaFanatic

2013-11-28 14:16

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

If you plug the device into an Ubuntu machine through USB - can you view the file system?

willi6868

2013-11-28 14:19

So why there are no Headphones out of box? :
Will there be later Jolla Headset available in Jolla shop?

How is the ACL handling the Android Apps - does it collect personal data? ? Or is it fetching some fake data - or will there even be some settings for this ? :)

kollin

2013-11-28 14:20

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

A review :

http://seravo.fi/2013/jolla-phone-first-impressions

Larswad

2013-11-28 14:20

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Can you choose to install the android apps to the external memory card?
I wouldn't want to put the android dirt on the sparse 16gb memory.

bockersjv

2013-11-28 14:21

Re: Jolla User Experience Thread

Media volume goes nice and loud, there is a warning at a certain level which must be clicked through but I can take that. Sound quality seems up there with better player I have used, but I am tired so you will have to hear for yourself.

Music pauses on removal of headphone plug too.

I am missing lock screen controls though. I did think the little controls on the pen app view would work but they don't, maybe something for the future. :o

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