Re: Jolla Tablet
 

This whole situation is quite bizarre.

When the stretch goal of supporting cards up to 128GB was announced, there were few very loud people that demanded this stretch goal to be pulled because of ideological reasons. But they didn't realize you cannot simply pull a stretch goal once it is announced, unless you refund all people that have contributed since the announcement.

Why is it bizarre? Because only these people raised their voice and therefore it was only their voice that was heard. The reason why the rest did not do the same thing is stated above - even though I also think the SDXC standard is ridiculous, it is not up to Jolla to change that and once again, you simply cannot pull a stretch goal.

What's worrying is the lack of clear leadership, capable of making unpopular decisions for the good of the company. I have been told about the lack of clear vision before (by Kaacz for example), but I always opposed the idea, because I don't think that other problems (lack of APIs in the store, libhybris) could be affected by them (SE Ericsson...). But this is really worrying, because they are basically shooting themselves in the foot. We might argue that it was unfortunate, announcing such stretch goal (it either should've been there from the beginning, or not at all), but once the decision was made, they must stick to it, no matter what.

It would have been much easier refunding those ~20 evangelists with the few bucks for the license, than misguiding possibly thousands of buyers and securing bad reviews in advance.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Regarding the SD card. I would guess that Jolla have more foss-fanatics relative the total number of users for the platform compared to Android/IOS/Windows Phone. Based on that Jolla is doing what many of its customers want (i.e. the ones actually buying the device).

This may be a bad decision when it comes to attracting new non-tech customers, but I fail to see why most of these customers would pick Jolla before any of the other platforms. I guess some people use Jolla based on the user interface, but I believe far more people use Jolla because of interest for foss/Linux.

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True,that was valid before. Now they suddenly started to collect money again in some form of a undercover campaign.

They closed it so we shouldn't reach the goal and then open again right after again. :D

I feel deceived.

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Well, it's called FOS-DEM for a reason.

(Haha, just read this on the wiki page: "The F (of FOSDEM) was added at the request of Richard Stallman.")

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Count me in. If there has ever been a FOSS fanatic, it's me. Still, I need things to work. I can (and will) format cards as ext4 or whatever if I feel it's safe for the way I use them. However, if I get my hands on standards compliant SDXC cards that contain data, I need my Jolla to read them. Period.

I'm 100% sure the decision to withdraw the stretch goal, take the money and run has nothing to do with „doing what many of its customers want“. It were only a few people who kept the topic alive here and on TJC. Compare those few with the number of people who paid for the tablet. No, that can't be the reason.

My assumption is that they just re-calculated the business case and found the license fees for exFAT were too expensive. Now because its unpopular to announce features will be eliminated, they needed a story and remembered the old and long forgotten shitstorm about exFAT. Now they're not crippling the device by reducing features, they're making it even better by listening to the community. How cool is that?

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

If only it was that easy, we'd be having a witch-hunt, 'jolla trying to bribe foss advocates'/'jolla sides with micro$oft'/'jolla lies, does not listen to its users'/'jolla financially supports proprietary formats'/...
They had two conflicting goals with that stretch goal announced and the whole 'do it together' approach. With one-click solution I really hope the ones who were counting on it and can easily get it will not be the complaining side, while the foss advocates can go around and spread good word about jolla actually listening to foss, lets see what FOSDEM brings, dropping exfat could be a news?

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No. Old micro SD readers can't read micro SDHC/XC. Old micro SDHC readers can't read/format micro SDXC cards.
SD/SDHC/SDXC Specifications and Compatibility
Wikipedia - Secure Digital Compatibility

Even if the micro SDHC/XC card is not formated at all, some old cards can't read them (so it is impossible to format, etc).

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Please go back and read benny1967's post again. He was not talking about SD->SDXC, he was very specifically talking about SDHC->SDXC. And he is absolutely right, the only difference is exFAT support.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

It is possible to compile exFAT support on Sailfish OS :
https://together.jolla.com/question/...#post-id-14155
https://code.google.com/p/exfat/downloads/list
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92490&page=2
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92490&page=4
etc.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

and morals

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benny did acknowledge this here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=230

My view is known I hope already, IF it is SW only, one click solution to have what some believed to have been achieved by stretch goal is there, who is gonna complain? Even if half-official/openrepos solution. Only good word from foss enthusiast I hope will come out of this? Where are they?

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Read the links cited above, there are SDHC (old) readers that can't read SDXC cards.

But Jolla smartphone microSD reader seems to be compatible with micro SDHC & SHXC cards, as many users have 64GB & 128GB microSD cards on their Jolla's.

Anyway, for the Jolla Tablet, there is warranty of compability for 128GB cards, not only 32GB as before.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

I do not want to disturb your 'discussion' here, but where is the option as tablet backer to order the phone singular for 199€?
They added the bundle but missed that one again ( or will add it only on the last day(s)? )!

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Suggestion to add 3G to tablet...

This was written by Jolla 22 nov:

"Thanks for the suggestion. We have considered this already in the pre-study phase and adding a modem to the tablet complicates by several order of magnitudes the project.

More certifications
More variants or less countries we can serve
More expensive
SW work more complex
On top of that the amount of tablets sold with wifi only outwheighs the modem ones 3 to 1 so we could probably not cover the costs.

Long story short: very hard this will happen for this product.
"

And Then...27 nov and jolla adding the stretch goal With 3G.

Why add it as a stretch goal Jolla?? Campaign ended Dec 9. :( it was never real.

WHOOO Ho. I got tricked :D

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

@lokai,

There was never such perk. There was a perk to buy the phone WITH the tablet for an ADDITIONAL $199. That perk is still there.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Not tricked, if you just donated the 1.5million needed to reach it, pretty sure they would look into it. Stretch goals don't stretch over time though, 2.5m was not reached in time, further orders will not fix it. You just need to be more generous in the past

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

No, there was. At the last days of campaign you could order the phone if you already ordered the tablet earlier.
(sorry seems my first post was not clear enough)

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Could we please somehow add "advanced text entry" as stretch goal?

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Contact them on twitter? If they served this package, pretty sure they will bring it back. Doubt they would want to anger any supporters by relying on 'order second tablet+phone and then return the first order within 14 days' or some such

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Or maybe this advanced text entry?
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=92764

Or how about a poll? Make it together they said...

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

I was only support It in my hopes to reach 3G. If I know Jolla dident want to add it even bofore they added they stretch goal I wouldent ofcourse never supported the tablet campaign.

But that was ok.

But now when they suddenly open the campaign right after it was closed I feel even more that Jolla never planned to actually follow through but only use ps it as a fake goal to secure some extra money as barging chip with vendors. I don't like the taste of that.

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I was only support it to reach 1m, gimme back my monnies!

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That is not what I'm saying....but I would like that option OFC. I rather see that Jolla moves on with 3G option with later release. If they get 2.5 m

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Could also be nice. But me and pichlo would like simple basic texting possibilities fjrst. ;)

No!
Or would you like another tjc poll debacle? :(

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that is exactly what they did to me !!!!! :(

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

was jk, but then again, if we go with the popular vote, all this exfat monies should go to the swype-like-but-original implementation, shift+left/right is I agree useful, but not implemented in fingerterm anyway (shift lock is toggle like fingerterm?), it can be skipped - until this baby is ported and with hwkbdv2:
http://i.imgur.com/WB6tBsR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/5rEaCYs.jpg

Let the complainers throw the first stone

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

? I do really believe they listen to feedback, if you got shanked they will patch you

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

i do not tweet but relied on conversation via hotlline (oh my ;))
i do not trust them at all (just like Nokia care)
phone was sent back (money returned)

if you like read this
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...08#post1454708
to this
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...13#post1455713

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

No I can't. My camera only uses ExFAT on sdxc cards.I can't add Ext2

No, it's a stupid idea. Ext2 is passable although I would have to buy some really **** software for my Mac. Ext3/4 on sd cards is silly. They wouldn't be so daft.

And if we're being anti M$, can they please stop paying to license Exchange ActiveSync and put the money to fixing the open standards... CalDAV, CardDAV and improve their IMAP support.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Really? It doesn't support FAT32? Just asking, it might work as a workaround. I also agree that withdrawing a stretch goal after it was reached was a(nother) PR disaster.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

If you format an sdxc card in my Olympus OM-D it formats it as ExFAT. There is no menu option to select other file systems.

It's possible it supports already formatted fat32 cards. I've never tried tbh as that limits the size of video.

Edit: nope, if you stick a fat32 formatted sdxc card in the Olympus it asks you to reformat it.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Install yourself exFAT support on Sailfish :
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=94241&page=26
Maybe somebody will package and put in OpenRepos.net.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

And you can't plug them both in the PC? Then you can use both and copy + paste all day long. You can upgrade Jolla tablet to 64GB so you do not need card on that (i think)

AAND you can transfers your pics from many photo sharing software.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

So did i understood this correct.

First Jolla hates regular customers so much, that they leave something basic away (support for normal 128 and above memorycards). Then they announce, that if they get more money then they add support for normal cards. And finally when they got their money, they still are going to leave that support away?

Does Jolla really hate us normal customers so much? I feel stupid for using my little money for that kind of company.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

That's not the point. When you are on holiday in Ibiza, the tablet is your PC. Aegis and others want to take the card out of the camera, put it in the tablet and post photos of their latest shenanigans to Facebook.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

Some people might want to swap cards between devices but I feel that is pretty ancient procedure... once I stick a card in my phone or tablet is pretty much stays there.

A camera is a bit different animal, I have several cards of course that I rotate; when one is full and I have no chance to empty it to my laptop I'll just put it in my pocket and stick in another.
On the evening I will then transfer the goodies to my computer via USB cable, not by putting the card into the computer which has no slot for it anyway :)

So, what I'd like to see is ability for the tablet to replace my laptop in this scenario; to act as USB master host so I can connect my camera to it, I have no need to swap cards between the devices.

Re: Jolla Tablet
 

I think you missed the bold word. ;)

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Not Jolla. The loud part of community unfortunately does.

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It is Jolla who desided to listen only the loud minority, who does not want Jolla work like every other modern device...

Hmmn. Maybe the loud ones are actually secret agents from Android- or Windows tablet companies who don't want Jolla and Sailfish to become mainstream. :D

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If I'm carrying a laptop with me I don't need the tablet.