Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Isn't it the same as on Symbian and S40 with "Profiles"? (sounds and pics)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

and when jolla decide to add it again apple sue's jolla :/

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Is it just me, or did the OOM get really bad in this release?
I think it is even worse than before they fixed it in the beginning of this year.

For example, just now - I had 4 (!) apps open - two random native apps (not resource hungry), browser with one tab loaded (some mobile website) and LLs Video Player with a paused video. I wanted to continue playing the video, so I clicked on it, but the app cover started loading again.

The OOM must have killed it and I lost the progress of the video. What's worse, I had no idea the app wasn't running until I reopened it. This really reminds me of Android where you can never be sure what's running and what's not, but Android at least has a possibility to suspend those apps without losing the state, unlike SailfishOS (I'm not saying I want it, I just want to have my apps running).

I'm quite mad right now... If I at least knew OOM killed it, but finding out this way...

EDIT:
It did it again!

Apps open:

• LLs Video Player (paused)
• Hangish
• Calendar
• Settings

I never had problems with these apps in the previous releases. Now the video got killed again! And again, I noticed only after wanting to resume the video.

EDIT 2:

Please vote on these two questions:

• (1.1.9.28) Alarming OOM behavior (killing apps)
• (Feature request) Option to show only running apps on the home screen

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

The cover becomes blurred when the app is killed. The blurring is not so well distinguishable though, Jolla has to do something to make it more obvious that the app died.

I don't have problems with OOM though. I've been having a couple of Android apps browser and bunch of other apps open all day and they haven't been dying. Just to test the blurred cover feature I had to open like 12-15 apps before the first one died.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

In the OS X Dock, running apps are distinguished from closed apps by having a small white dot placed beneath their icon.

Actually, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be easier to just steal the concept of the OS X Dock completely. All running apps have their icons automatically inserted at the end of the dock; the user has the ability to rearrange icons at will; icons are removed from the dock when the app exits, unless the user explicitly chooses to keep them in the dock; all icons can be animated to provide additional information to the user; and an unlimited number of commands can be issued to the app from the icon using a context menu.

In short, the Dock is doing exactly what the Sailfish Home Screen is trying to do: both task management and app interaction. It gets away with this by hiding all interaction commands behind a context menu. Because there are no visible interaction controls taking up screen space, the Dock does a very good job of intuitive task management (and can also put a lot of icons on the screen in a very small space).

Again, this is me beating the same drum again: the Home Screen should focus on either Task Management or App Interaction, not try to do both at the same time. :)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I really hate this swipe left or right to unlock, swiping down is just so much more comfortable to me.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Could you share instruction/patch for transparent background ??
Thanks !

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yeah I know this...but still.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Well what I don't like on the muting options is, that I can't use ringring restorer anymore. now we need an ambiance restorer.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

After some days with it, I don't miss the swipe-down-to-lock gesture anymore.
Before 1.1.9.x when I wanted to lock the phone, I always had to swipe from the side to get to the homescreen and then swipe down to lock.
Now I only have to swipe down and push the button where the thumb is already. That's a lot less thumb acrobatic IMHO.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Call me lazy but I would prefer to swipe down until preferred lock or ambiance and let go (one less lift thumb then press action) .

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

For the record I think I never used the swipe-to-lock feature. There is hardware button for this people - use it! :)

(and a dedicated lock/unlock slider would be even better ;-) )

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

No icon (only number of new e-mails) is shown in lock-screen for my exchange e-mail account.

In contrast for Gmail account both icon and number of new mails shows correctly.

Anyone else having having the same problem ?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

i rarely use the button, but after a year of usage, the power button sunk in a bit, which worries me

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

They broke sdcard access in Android again...

https://together.jolla.com/question/...ed-on-sd-card/

*sigh*

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

It has always been a bit deeper than the volume buttons. I call it a good design decision. In fact, I would prefer it completely flush with the edge or even better, in a small recess, to reduce the chance of an accidental activation in the pocket or bag.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

My clock cover is nothing like in this screenshot:
https://cdn-blog.jolla.com/wp-conten...15/09/home.jpg

I see a digital clock instead of the analog one, any ideas?

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Hum I agree, a kind of Nokia Situations based on ambiences will be great. In this way we will have an integrated Situations app, with a quick way to see which situation is started (eg with the background). And in this way, for example if we are at work we can have a more professional background than at home, and with a dark one during the night. This with also the quick launcher change will be very interresting.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

This screenshot is not from 1.1.9, that's why it looks different.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Sure, but the slide to lock was just less fiddly for hands-free use, such as when driving

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Could be, but I never had any issues with it for normal usage. It is also super convenient that you can just press it and you are back directly in the application where you were when you locked the device.

No need to activate the screen, swipe away the lockscreen and then select the application to get back to.

BTW, that's really something Sailfish OS needs to improve - you should be able to get back to the last used application instead of being dumped to the home screen every time. It is super annoying at some times.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Been playing with this for 24hrs and I have mixed feelings.

The events view is a welcome change, and I can appreciate the status bar.

I do miss the pull down menu for quick shortcuts though. I used to access Settings from that, which was a handy way to access the connection options after they removed the option to choose a connection from the browser.

The quick launch (phone, browser, message, camera) bar is useless now. You can only pull it up if you have no apps open. Otherwise you have to bring up the applications view.

On the subject of the browser, when this is in card view and you want to return to full screen, if you catch the bottom edge the browser will go to the search/shortcut screen. This feels like they are moving away from the concept of a single handed navigation paradigm of the initial design.

And the I am experiencing screen tear in the browser when viewing long page (notably reddit threads). My Jolla did this when it was still vanilla but has not in other updates from Dec onwards.

One big plus is that I do find the Jolla does connect to mobile networks after comming out of black spots much quicker.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

It was in Jollas roadmap sometime ago. It is not there anymore, but that roadmap does not show September and in Q4 there isn't Sailfish UI section. I guess they might be working on it now or next the quarter.

https://web.archive.org/web/20150704...opmentroadmap/

◾On unlocking, return to the last used app instead of home

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

As long as you uinlock within 30(?) seconds.

Amen!

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I think personaly this version is really great. Especially because it dramatically simplifies the usage of the phone. Think of the 1.1.7 and previous versions, we had 2 kinds of swipes, swipes from the edge of the swipes and "normal" swipes from anywhere "within" the screen area.

No, all of this is pretty gone and you have only one kind of gesture (from "within" the screen area) + swipe from the top edge. This is far easier to understand and use.

Also, personaly, I applaud the removal of the cover swipes. I never understood the added value of swipes on covers where buttons would be far far better. Halleluya!

I just can't understand and don't appreciate the different graphical "languages" on the top of the screen when we have:
- The notifications
- The slider (volume, remorse timer, etc)
- The countdown for example when you install/remove something from OpenRepos.

In the same location of the screen, having 3 different types of data with their own graphical convention is somewhat confusing to me.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Because that was what Sailfish OS was all about.... Gestures

Edit:
From an interview with Marc Dillon:

Full article: http://www.norwegian.com/magazine/fe...EUotSfzfI2G.99

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yes, that was about it. Gestures. Means to an end. We have a new hammer so everything has become a nail. Let's use gestures for everything, with no regard whether it suits the purpose or not.
Consistent? Definitely. Intuitive? Definitely not!

The new interface may have lost some of that consistency but it made up to it a thousand times with a much increased intuitivity.

This comes from someone who has used Jolla for a year and was very familiar with the interface, so you cannot accuse me of confusing intuitivity with familiarity.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Nope, I'm pretty sure there is no such limitation on the N900. You will always get the same thing on the screen as when you locked the device.

Yeah, and the edge swipe & swipe notification might make some sense on a tablet (you might not be able to reach an edge sometimes) but makes much less sense on a small smartphone screen. The cost ? easy to use cover action gestures being replaced by tiny tiny buttons that are hard to click but easy to miss-click... Feels a bit like shoehorning tablet UI to a mobile phone.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Disagree. Sailfish 1.x with gestures was like giving a screwdriver and screws to somebody that only knows how to use a hammer, to continue your analogy.

Sailfish 2.x seems to be an admission that people are too stupid to use screwdrivers.

There was a learning curve with 1.x but with it came genuine functionality. I used edge swipes and cover actions all the time. I'd quite often use the multi tasking view to refresh email, tweetian and change music without entering each app. It's a real shame that has gone. All for the sake of people who can only operate hammers.

If I was redesigning it, I'd keep the cover actions, use edge swipes for the carousel, ditch the swipe up for apps (I never used swipe up in 1.x) and stick the app grid where they want to stick the partner space (ditch partner space). Also, ditch ambiances for an n9 style pull down top menu with quick access to volume and settings.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Even on the tablet you have to use edge swipes to get back to the home screen from an app as there is no home button so a user that isn't used to edge swipes is going to get lost in apps or have to learn the difference between in-app and edge swipes.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

That is not quite true though. You still have edge swipes to bring up notifications and the apps menu. Only now they are somehow more intuitive.

That one is a hard nut to crack. Every OS needs some way of popping up system messages. In many cases these interfere with normal use of the device. That is not a big deal if the pop-ups offer some easy way of getting them out of the way.

The remorse pop-up is kinda tricky in this regard. Perhaps it needs two actions: tap here to change your mind or here to do the action right away. The default would be as it it, perform the action when it times out.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Sorry, I misunderstood. I thought you were talking about Jolla.

Funny, I thought the exact opposite. Hard to use and easy to misinterpret cover action swipes replaced with clear, obvious, easy to use and hard to miss buttons.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I meant the Jolla developers. They got a new hammer and tried to shoehorn it for everything. Well, not everything in the world is a nail (or a screw if you like). Use the right tool for the job, and I maintain that 2.0 is going in the right direction. It may not be quite there yet but please bear in mind that this is only the first stab at 2.0. It's not even called 2.something yet.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

For a gesture based os I find the settings menu "gestures" surprisingly empty.

Can I just choose if I will use the trusty swipe cover actions instead of the limited, push buttons?

If this is a test to see which one of both we like the most I confirm that I now miss the swipe cover actions which I took for granted as main feature of the OS.
In retrospect, should I have made a poem about those to confirm Marc & Co about their genius?

The only time a non Saiflish user used the word "cool" about Sailfish was when I demonstrated the cover actions.

The hammering world is not too stupid to use screws and screwdriver but they need to be informed and reminded now and then about the "revolutionary new way of..".

I expected the number of swipe cover actions to be extended with the tablet OS having more display real estate available.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

One thing I really like about 2.0 is that starting apps no longer steal focus from you when ready. Thus I can chain start several apps and only the last one will show on screen when ready. Even Android apps heed to this rule. :)

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Yes. You got the point. Did you remember to vote it? :)
https://together.jolla.com/question/...-to-ambiances/

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

I'll have to add in my observations as everybody else seems to have an opinion to share, too :D

First thing, it seems that not a lot has changed, only some small things. However it does of course feel that workflows are not so automatic since I've gotten used to the way SFOS worked for almost 2 years.

Most annoying thing is the missed opportunity of having the 2 sideways swipes, as both "in-screen-swipe" and "from-edge-swipe" perform the same action, rotating the carousel.
It still escapes my reasoning why carousel could not be activated from edge swipe and in-screen swipe be reserved for cover actions.
I liked the cover swipe better than the button approach.

The swipe-from-top to change ambience or lock device is OK, I mostly use it to lock the device anyway or set it to silent mode and that's still OK.
One thing I missed from previous version, which still is not implemented is possibility to lock device with ons swipe when I have an applcation in the front; I need to first swipe off sideways and only after that swile down to lock. What I'd like to see si to lock the device without killing thew app, using for example an L-shaped swipe or something.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

And I prefer it this way ;) I hope they add more buttons though. Swipe actions are limited to two, but you could easily fit six buttons making the covers finally actually, well, useful. Like widgets used to be.

I envisage something even simple, such as swipe and hold. Swipe from the top to close the app, swipe and hold to lock the device. I don't know about others, but for me locking the device is by far the most common operation. It should be triggered by a very simple gesture.

Re: First thoughts about the (pre) Sailfish OS 2.0
 

Hammers, screwdrivers — it all doesn't matter. Because Ui first of all about UX. And good UX do not need an introduction or explanation, remember how easy was n9, it took you few hours and you just got used and was not able to give up. Good UX is just something intuitive ;)

https://cdn.society6.com/cdn/0025/p/...4252418_lz.jpg