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Yes, nice find, i already forgot about it.
They do not ship anywhere but striktly offer pick up in few selected stores.
I reserved one and will try to collect it from Cologne Hansaring store on tuesday.

Edit, wow, price is back to 549€ again 10hours later. (same link)
I hope they do not simply try to lure me to the store.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Contrats!
You reached your goal on indiegogo !

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Couple of questions mate

1: Will the keyboard be able to force android to a landscape rotation regardless of the settings (would be good not to always have the rotation set to auto rotate when Im not using the keboard)

2: Is the moto mod functionality built into android. Just thnking ahead if we ever manage to port another os ie sailfish (never used it but assuming its the closest we get to maemo these days) would it be possible to use easily on another platform....or is it defunct without android

Already looking forward to getting the device...but just thinking out loud.

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my understanding is that the motomod interface is greybus, mainline linux has support for this. the keyboard uses the hid interface. so it should be "easy" to get working if you can get a kernel new enough to have greybus support to boot

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In case of SailfishOS, Android kernel is used anyway, so it should work as is if HID is implemented in kernel for Moto Mods and don't strictly depend on Android components written in Java to enable it.

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This can be implemented by software. But even though most of the apps won't have a nice landscape UI or not support landscape at all...

Thanks will look into that together later. BTW Moto Z play was officially supported by Lineage OS or whatever CM is called nowadays. So if they can make the Moto Mods working on that, I don't see why it can't be ported to SFOS in the future (with a lot work, still...)

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So happy for this, was close to buying an Xperia X because of SFOS, but as soon as I saw this ordered the scandic version. Sony money has been put away for buying a moto z as soon as keyboard ships. Good luck with production and thanks!

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By the way, I am promoting the Keyboard Mod for Moto Z among my friends.

But I don't see any work on Sailfish OS for Moto Z. Hope this changes.

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You have to be very patient because of missing Libhybris support for Cm14/Lineage14.

I searched a little after explit mentioned there is no cm13 port available for any moto z / play / force and he is right only Lineage 14 is working nicely on Moto z as i could test last weekend.

Two options that involve much work before starting a port:
- Help bring libhybris support for lineage 14 (Is someone working on it, who to support? stskeeps alone?) .
- Develop cm13 for z series (Not much futureproof, sfos unrelated) and start porting with current libhybris version.

I have already coped with the thought that i will use android for some time on moto z as second phone just for the kbd.
On Sunday i started with moving all android stuff from my main jp1 to newly acquired moto z and deleted alien dalvik for good.

cons,
- carrying two devices, two sims, usecases overlap.
pros,
- 2k screen for browsing, nice camera, pure sailfish = fast jp1, fast android.

Not ideal but i gained some features. Let's see how Jollas sony adventures play into my phone charade :D

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

mal had some success with Lineage 14-based tree on #sailfishos-porters. It's not very different from cm13 from libhybris point of view.

I plan to sell mine OnePlus 2 and try to order Moto Z (Play) somewhere for cheap (maybe 2.taobao.com?), so I can start with SFOS port.

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Good news!
Do you think it is possible to have multiboot so i can keep my android install and play around porting on a different image?
I will have some sparetime this month and if someone tells me where to start i am quite confident i could at least test some interesing things.

Please get a Moto z, it is much thinner and has blazing fast qualcomm 820 and better screen.
I am willing to support you with 100 bucks via paypal if you purchase whatever moto z series device you can get.
As you have seen the price drop to 249€ of moto z here in germany, i guess it will be possible to negotiate down to that pricelevel at many resellers also in your area soon.

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Perhaps I can lend you a spare Moto Z or Z play for development, after our internal testing. Not 100% sure at the moment as product still under development and software needs to be tested... If it's not too late.

Aha actually my opinion is completely opposite ;)

Having used both devices and Z Play to me is much much better:

- I don't know the reason behind but my Z play with Qualcomm 625 runs quicker than the Z with 820, in terms of app launching and switch. I don't play heavy graphic games on phone but in general use I can't see any lag on Z Play compared with Z. And can't feel any difference between 3GB and 4GB RAM

- Moto Z's lack of 3.5mm port is a pure headache... As it's battery is so small, when travelling especially long distance a juice pack is definitely needed. Then you can't listen to music and charge at the same time. On my flight to Chicago I have to unplug headset to get phone charged, then unplug the adaptor to use on another device, then almost lost the adaptor. It's just annoying! :mad:

- In terms of screen, I agree Moto Z's is better and sharper than Z Play - Only if you look very very closely. I doubt it has a big difference in general. And to me 1080p is a much more reasonable choice on a 5.5 inch size. (Even 720p if I would decide, to save battery even more...)

- Battery life Z Play is about 2-3X than Z in my everyday use (same app installed, same exchange service running, same network, same background processes...)

- The only 2 advantage of Z over Z play is: 1 being slimmer, looks nicer with any mods attached. And 2 Metal on the sides has a much better and premium finish than the Z Play.

My conclusion is Moto Z is a device to "show" and Z Play is the one to use. ;)

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Good to see where opinions differ :D

Can not tell about z play but moto z is completely instant and near lag free for me on stock rom and lineage. Can not quite imagine how it could be noticably faster but as you actually can compare, i trust your judgement.
Maybe the z play feels faster because it has less pixels to render?

bt headphones user here, so 3,5mm is not an issue for me.
Battery is 1/3 bigger on play but even the Moto z has had >30% left for me when i went to sleep.

It comes down to the screen and build quality as you said.
I guess with added mod, any mm less will also be nice.
But i did not actually look out to have a moto z.
A play would have done it but then there was that 249€ offer i could not resist and now i have to convince myself that it was a good decision ;)

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One possibility is my Z Play being rooted while Z remains stock... So less bloatware in background than Z. I agree they are both instantly response, but the same app loads longer on Z than Z play (still very little difference)

It may be also related on CPU architecture as well, no doubt 820 will be stronger on graphic but in terms of power saving or low power and clock usage 625 could be the winner. ;)

BT headphone also costs more battery, why give extra burden to the already struggling Moto Z?

In terms of battery, it's not only on capacity. 625 + 3GB is much more efficient than the 820 +4GB (and 625 being 14nm). 1080P VS 2K also helps greatly. So only being ~30% larger on capacity, the actual usage is more than doubled.

Totally agree, on marketing perspective showing Mod with a Moto Z looks much better than with the Z Play. :) And that price is a steal! I will probably do the same for that price! :D:D

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Confirming the above comment.
A friend of mine has a Moto Z Style (different name in Brazil) and its battery life is very low, needing to recharge 1-2x during the day. Moto Z Play battery life (due to CPU and battery) is a lot better.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Thanks a lot. 249€ seems to be limited only to that shop, in Russia the cheapest is around 390€ so far. I found https://www.coolicool.com/moto-z-pla...orning-g-44168 from Kimovil for $269.99. Looks good too, but not sure about the shop, although they have PayPal.

Thanks for the offer, but it's going to be complicated since I'm from different country and I'd like to have one device to use with keyboard anyway :).

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Loving that this is gaining a bit of momentum and possibilities are growing guys!!

Ill do what I can from this side but Im a dabbler not an expert :)

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Currently there is a deal at Banggood - $251 for white Moto Z Play 64 GB dual SIM one. Probably that the cheapest I can find, will try to order it.

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Good to hear you are still on it!

To save you some time: CE you can award yourself and provide documents only when asked later - and since you don't have high voltage circuitry or sharp corners you can basically slam the CE logo on your product. If you let your boardhouse use leadfree solder RoHS is also no biggie. FCC you don't need unless you are sneakily making it a Bluetooth keyboard haha!

But since you are doing certification; do you have a working proto yet? The update lacked any pics or vids.. Good luck ramping up for mass production!

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Haha thanks you for the tips. Moto also require those official documents of certification before conduct any sales, so I'm planning to pay for some labs to issue that. Especially for the battery.

Yes got the semi-working proto last month, didn't show because it's too thick, comparing to the version we are working now. Don't want to publish pictures that scares the buyers away by thickness. I'm chasing the slim one to finish this week.

But still as the current sample is hand casted, it's not as solid and good looking as the molded sample. Don't want to show it in too much details and cause false impressions flying around. But will disclose later this week or early next week as much as I can.

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I'm late to the party, but I might still be interested in this work.

Short answer: No.

As far as I know, Fremantle isn't (and has never been) fully open. There are closed parts, problematic even on the N900, which basically prevent us from porting Fremantle to other devices, unless free / open source replacements are developed. There has been some advancements on this front (I'm not up to date), but last time I checked this was still an issue.

Then there is the issue with the (very) outdated software stack. Fremantle is built on Gtk2 (deprecated since 2010) with some extensions (hildon). Some parts of the UI are developed with a god-knows-how-old version of Clutter as well (the welcome screen, which is actually far smoother than anything else in the system), and then there is the (now also unsupported) Qt4 glue module.
And I haven't even mentioned that hildon-desktop and friends are heavily based and dependant on X11, which itself is nowadays becoming outdated in favour of Wayland.
Of course, there are parts of the UI which have never been "hildonized" ie. are leftovers from the Maemo 4 era (some settings panel IIRC and who knows what else). And then you have some built-in apps that are hardcoded to 800×480.

Even those that aren't hardcoded, are unlikely to support other resolutions, aspect ratios or high-DPI screens.

So, any effort to modernize the UI would affect basically every level of the software stack, including toolkits (replacing or modernizing gtk2+hildon, or rewriting everything with Qt), applications (making them scalable and touch-friendly) and the desktop itself (porting from X11 to wayland). And of course, creating new, high-res artwork, etc.

There have been some attempts on this:

• IIRC there have been more than one attempts at porting hildon to Gtk3
• Cordia (now a dead project) has envisioned a merger between hildon-desktop and the MeeGo netbook UI, but everyone lost interest when Harmattan was released
• Even before that, there were attempts to get the hildon framework into Gnome, but I don't think they ever succeeded.
• There was the Intel tablet UX and the meegotouchhome UX which never quite lived up to the hildon-desktop legacy, and of course neither of them were ever finished.
• Some people attempted to rebuild a very similar UI with Qt from the ground up (there was at least a lipstick-based prototype by w00t), but again this was dropped even before I got to work on lipstick back in 2012.
• There were LOTS of good ideas in Nemo Mobile, but people lost interest when Sailfish was released. Now it's mostly a dead project as well. I feel somewhat guilty for not being able to put in more free time into it back in 2012-2013... maybe things would have been different, but you never know.
• etc.

I see three possible ways of moving forward:

• Revive the work on Nemo Mobile. Get feedback from everyone in the community about how it should look & feel, etc. And then implement it using the toolkits that either already exist (lipstick, mlite, Nemo middleware, etc.) or were started but remained unfinished (glacier UI, etc.) AFAIK Nemo was never dead, but it has never reached any kind of usable state over the years. (This is not surprising, given most of its main current contributors are Jolla employees whose main priority is Sailfish and Silica.)
• Or completely overhaul the old Fremantle software stack, bring it up to date with latest Gtk3, Clutter, etc. versions, get rid of the Nokia-specific (and never openly released) dependencies, create a nice-looking theme, and then carry on.
• Or maybe now the Gnome stack (gnome-shell, gtk3, etc.) is sufficiently sophisticated that we can do away with all the legacy crap, trash hildon and the rest and simply run gnome-shell, maybe with a custom theme? There are lots of ideas in gnome-shell which make it very similar to hildon-desktop (in fact the gnome-shell overview basically is the same concept). Also modern gtk3 should be equipped to handle the mobile form factor (it has UI scaling and font scaling), so it's just a matter of creating touch-optimized apps.

I believe 500€ would be a fair price (plus-minus 100€, depending on the quality and support of the device).

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Quick status update on Moto Z Play SailfishOS port (based on hybris-13 tree) https://puu.sh/wjPZH/b6483a350a.jpg. Just got UI booting, not much else yet.

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

This sounds great as I have recently purchased a Moto Z Play.
Anywhere I can go for more info?

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We are in the middle of the tooling process. Hardware shouldn't be an issue. But we need some help on the software, about the keyboard functions through the Moto Mods platform. Anyone wish to help will be contracted and paid (and A chance working with Motorola)

Any interests please send me a PM.

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For those wishing to use a different rom/os Could you please list the functions that need work?

i assume you are using the hid protocol for greybus?
keymapping?
what else?

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You should be able to ship with bare-bones firmware, mods platform with auto update the device when connected to the phone. Is electronics finalized and checked by moto?

Any word on thickness, pics/vids of final version and whether you will make the promised delivery date? Would still like to order one

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

Hi, I found some photos here:
https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...-mod-indiegogo

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Something goes wrong - Motorola and Lenovo completely stopped talking about this keyboard. I don't know whats going on.

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Where is your source?

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Uh-Oh...
Spaghetti-O's ...
Doesn't smell good when the dialogue stops ..

Wait and see...
perhaps Motorola and Lenovo are having a tiff...and not talking right now..
Wait for the make-up sex...
THEN there should be some movement on the keyboard...
Maybe even come out with an announcement of a new addition to the family!
You know how couples can be when they fight...
It starts out with "you don't bring me flowers anymore..."
then stage 2: the freeze out with no one talking..
then stage 3: the angry crazy wild make up sex..
then stage 4: a new addition to the family...

I expect we won't be privy to the make-up-sex home video ...
BUT
Wait to hear about something new from Lenovo and Motorola....


Awwww.....
Theys soooo cute when they angwy....

XD

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there haven't been project updates (except for 'we are pushing so hard' and 'we will update you next week') in 10 weeks. then again all other campaigns seem to have either failed or went quite. not something for motorolo to brag about.

then again chen actually made a pretty nice looking mockup, so that is something! hope it will all work out.

the moto mod platform is pretty complex, they have a lot of technical demands and expensive parts, and the timeframe is really tight. reason for me not to start a campaign or be confident that a campaign like this will deliver anything ever. but hey whatever as long as chen delivers all is well!

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That's because we spent 20+ days waiting for the funds to arrive, then started moulding, which is the longest process anyway. We are at 9/10 of moulding now and expect to finish very soon. (No TM here)

The moulded DVT samples will be much nicer than the hand-made. And they will be used as the prototype showing pictures and videos.

Indeed!! And the components has to be delivered from Moto. And they have a very strict requirements internally.
If you need contact to Moto, I can introduce you to the Mod team if needed.

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Moto Z for $360:
http://www.geekbuying.com/item/Lenov...ld-381747.html

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Moulding is slightly delayed. One of the component of the moulding of the sliding spring is unexpectedly out of stock, the factory did not have spares because sliding frame has vanishes for years. Expected to get the component back in a week. The factory calls it "unusual request" I didn't know I'm making unusual things...

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Hi! I ordered the Moto Mod Keyboard with Scandic layout. However, you are not able to produce Scandic layout. I still want the Keyboard Mod so how can I change my order to other layout? Can I choose between QWERTY and QWERTZ? I would like to see the layout of QWERTZ before making that decision.

I tried to contact you via Indiegogo couple days ago...

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Sorry for the late reply... That's no problem at all. I will send out a formal confirmation on the layout that will be shipped via email. :)

Re: [IGG Live][Slider Keyboard] Keyboard Mod for Moto Z
 

We will have an official announcement jointly with Motorola later this month.

We are the first and currently the only mod that will come into reality from IGG.

A big achievement!

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Pop out the champagne!!

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Well done Chen.

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Chen looks too busy to update this thread right now, so for those not following his twitter account, here are some news he sent there:

Some photos, opened and closed:
https://twitter.com/LivermoriumLtd/s...87953368391680

And the video of the first working sample:
https://twitter.com/LivermoriumLtd/s...41078826909698

Enjoy !