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kuba77

2017-05-26 21:46

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1528439)

I have the solution for you as well: Xposed Edge

With this app, I can use my Android device the SAME as I use my Sailfish device.
Swiping from the sides gets me to the home, swiping up the app drawer, and swiping down closes the running app.

No, you can't, probably. Dialog page with text fields/inputs, comboboxes and then swipe to confirm/save instead of hit button on Android, pulldown/pullup menu...

adithyakhamithkar

2017-05-27 03:26

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

I head that Sony is discontinuing the Xperia X series.

How this is going to effect us?

BluesLee

2017-05-27 05:41

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Honestly, Sonys naming convention irritates me.

Just to know what you are talking about: The primary focus is on the device Sony Xperia X aka F5121 and F5122 for the dual sim one?

P@t	2017-05-27 06:13

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1528434)

I've been using a Sony Xperia XA for about a month now, let me tell you something:

1. Updates <-- Use any custom rom if updates are not coming anymore
2. No privacy harmed <-- Use XPrivacy
3. Not crammed with bloatware: choose what you want (fair) <-- Root, and you can uninstall everything you want
4. Root access <-- You can root Android devices as well
5. Where are the advertisements? <-- Root, and you can remove all ads, even inside apps.
6. Not willing to pay a company's 70% profitmargin for harming your privacy, cramming it with bloatware and adds. <-- See all the points above.
7 (possible) android support through Alien Dalvik. <-- Native Android support, instead of half working dalvik.

I'm actually pretty happy with my rooted Sony XA.

In a sense, of course that Android is quite ok ... when you spend a 'certain' amount of time to install a rom, plus some apps to change the way Android is supposed to work
But what about the future... Do you think this is enough to change the market ? I am quite convinced that all the failures of BB, Ubuntu, FFOS... are due to all those 'nice' people focusing on Android instead and making it free enough for their taste.

But will it remain possible to install a rom or the magic app that you are happy to play with... That is not quite clear. While if you spend your money and your energy on alternative platforms, that helps to improve the possibilities in the future.

For the moment, buying Android, whatever you do with your device, is supporting Google and their vision of the world. And they are quite winning ;-)

pexi	2017-05-27 06:53

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1528439)

You cannot turn Windows into Linux by making it look like Linux, and vice versa.

Sailfish OS is a full blown Linux operating system and almost everything you've learned by using Linux servers or desktops is applicable to SFOS: cron, scripting, crypting, tunneling etc. Comparing SFOS to Android is like comparing a computer operating system to an application.

LouisDK

2017-05-27 07:05

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by BluesLee (Post 1528461)

Honestly, Sonys naming convention irritates me.

Just to know what you are talking about: The primary focus is on the device Sony Xperia X aka F5121 and F5122 for the dual sim one?

For now they'll focus on the single sim model aka. F5121.

pichlo

2017-05-27 07:38

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1528439)

With this app, I can use my Android device the SAME as I use my Sailfish device.
Swiping from the sides gets me to the home, swiping up the app drawer, and swiping down closes the running app.

Seeing someone equating the UI with the OS makes me feel sad :(

lantern

2017-05-27 07:41

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by LouisDK (Post 1528464)

For now they'll focus on the single sim model aka. F5121.

How do you know that?

HtheB

2017-05-27 08:15

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1528449)

But does it have python, nodejs, make & autotools & gcc on it?
The other day last week I needed nmap so I just cloned it from github and compiled on the device...

Nmap?
https://secwiki.org/w/Nmap/Android

Python?
http://qpython.com/

Building and running Node.js?
http://www.goland.org/nodejsonandroid/

gcc?
https://forum.xda-developers.com/sho....php?t=1645182

Quote:

Originally Posted by kuba77 (Post 1528453)

No, you can't, probably. Dialog page with text fields/inputs, comboboxes and then swipe to confirm/save instead of hit button on Android, pulldown/pullup menu...

Yeah, sadly that's true.

Quote:

Originally Posted by P@t (Post 1528462)

In a sense, of course that Android is quite ok ... when you spend a 'certain' amount of time to install a rom, plus some apps to change the way Android is supposed to work

Ironically, I've spend more time to make Sailfish OS work properly (Patchmanager) than I did with Android.

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1528467)

Seeing someone equating the UI with the OS makes me feel sad :(

I was referring to the 'swiping' thing like the N9 and Sailfish OS (going to apps and swiping it away)

eson	2017-05-27 09:20

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1528449)

I needed nmap so I just cloned it from github and compiled on the device...

Exactly how did you do that? I can't get the commands right. I'm stuck on...

Code:

[root@Sailfish nmap]# make install

make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.

Edit:
~~Forget about it. Command should be~~[

Code:

pkcon make install

Edit 2:
Nope, pkcon didn't work.

lantern

2017-05-27 09:40

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

There's no comparison here.
Full linux experience in Sailfish terminal is way superior than Android's bionic and patches on patches on patches with chroots.

nthn	2017-05-27 09:57

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1528434)

1. Updates <-- Use any custom rom if updates are not coming anymore
2. No privacy harmed <-- Use XPrivacy
3. Not crammed with bloatware: choose what you want (fair) <-- Root, and you can uninstall everything you want
4. Root access <-- You can root Android devices as well
5. Where are the advertisements? <-- Root, and you can remove all ads, even inside apps.
6. Not willing to pay a company's 70% profitmargin for harming your privacy, cramming it with bloatware and adds. <-- See all the points above.
7 (possible) android support through Alien Dalvik. <-- Native Android support, instead of half working dalvik.

1. Only if you bought a super duper expensive and popular device which is guaranteed to have a large community behind it. There's still one guy who has been making custom ROMs for my Android tablet for the past six years, but not everyone is that lucky. Even then, you put a whole lot of trust in some random nobody developer on xda-forums ("hello guys I made a new ROM, check it out, right now it doesn't boot though, I also won't show you the source code or the changes I did"). That said I don't think this is that good of a point anyway if you look at how long it takes for Sailfish updates to arrive on the Aqua Fish, but maybe that just has to do with Intex being a terrible company.
2. I'd rather not have to install patches just so my device has a smaller chance of spying on me.
3. Same as 1, you can only get root access to super popular devices because no one bothers with the rest. The only way to get root access is by looking for and abusing a security exploit. Wonderful!
4. Same as 3.
5. Same as 3.
6. Google is an advertising company, you are the product.
7. The only Android applications I've heard of that don't work properly with Alien Dalvik are those that have a hard dependency on the malware Google Play Services, which also don't work on any Android system without Google's proprietary malware. What a coincidence! Besides, the point is that you can run Sailfish, regular GNU/Linux and possibly Android applications, instead of exclusively Android applications and the occasional GNU/Linux application someone bothered to port. Which you can also only use if your device is rooted.

Having to exploit security loopholes to be able to do anything at all... Maybe it floats your boat.

Bundyo

2017-05-27 13:14

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by eson (Post 1528471)

Exactly how did you do that? I can't get the commands right. I'm stuck on...

Code:

[root@Sailfish nmap]# make install

make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.

https://github.com/nmap/nmap#installing

strongm

2017-05-27 14:46

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pichlo (Post 1528467)

Seeing someone equating the UI with the OS makes me feel sad :(

Blame Jolla for that. They themselves describe the gestures as being part of the OS on sailfishos.org

juiceme

2017-05-28 09:14

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

[QUOTE=eson;1528471]Exactly how did you do that? I can't get the commands right. I'm stuck on...

Code:

[root@Sailfish nmap]# make install

make: *** No rule to make target `install'.  Stop.

this is all I did;

3292 git clone https://github.com/nmap/nmap.git
3293 cd nmap/
3294 ls
3295 cat README.md
3296 ./configure
3297 make
3298 devel-su

and then 'make install' as root.
It is possible it needs some tools of the make family installed, some that I have set up long long ago already...

eson	2017-05-28 10:50

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by juiceme (Post 1528496)

It is possible it needs some tools of the make family installed, some that I have set up long long ago already...

I did the same but can't make it work here. Do I need cmake?

Edit:
Ok... got it. I recently did factory reset, so all my compile stuff was gone. Had to install gcc again. Thanks for pointing me into the right direction. :)

pexi	2017-05-28 11:14

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Time goes slow while waiting for the release... :)

eson	2017-05-28 11:25

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1528500)

Time goes slow while waiting for the release... :)

Yes, that's why we try to break our system with all kinds of **** we don't need. ;)

pexi	2017-05-28 12:57

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Yep.. just made my own on click backup / restore with ssh keys and authorized_keys command restriction. Just because.

robthebold

2017-06-02 01:25

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Sony narrows focus, will phase out its 'Premium Standard' range of smartphones

This seems to include the Xperia X and Xperia X Compact. I have no idea how this will affect Jolla's sailfish plans.

LouisDK

2017-06-02 06:59

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1528694)

Sony narrows focus, will phase out its 'Premium Standard' range of smartphones

This seems to include the Xperia X and Xperia X Compact. I have no idea how this will affect Jolla's sailfish plans.

The Xperia X and X Compact are still fully supported by Sony. This announcement just means that there's not plans to release successors to these models.

kinggo

2017-06-02 07:08

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by robthebold (Post 1528694)

Sony narrows focus, will phase out its 'Premium Standard' range of smartphones

This seems to include the Xperia X and Xperia X Compact. I have no idea how this will affect Jolla's sailfish plans.

http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...&postcount=207

mrsellout

2017-06-02 09:17

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

There was a small update in yesterday's community meeting:

Quote:

09:32:34 <Jaymzz> #topic General discussion (15 min)

09:32:51 <jenix> Any news about Sailfish and Sonys Open DEvice Program?

09:34:23 <Jaymzz> jenix: We are progressing with the Sony program. It is happening! We will have an announcement for you soon enough.

09:35:09 <M4rtinK_phone_> Jaymzz: cool! :-)
09:35:11 <ApBBB> Jaymzz: tell vesku to get us a compact X in the store :P
09:35:12 <jenix> Jaymzz: Thanks, can oyu give us any estimation on when we will be able to run / test SFOS on sony devices?

<M4rtinK_phone_> also any comments on the X series being discontinued by Sony in the future ?
09:36:07 <Jaymzz> ApBBB: Will do :D nothing is announced other than Xperia X yet but it isn't impossible to bring other phones in soon after we are done with X. We will see how it goes

09:36:49 <ApBBB> Jaymzz: i can't stand large phones.

09:37:20 <Jaymzz> jenix: At this moment it is still unknown when exactly it will be available for testing. However, I know that it will be within this summer ;) (Not too distance future)
09:37:44 <Jaymzz> ApBBB: X isn't that big really! But I understand the frustration when you're forced to use 2 hands!
09:37:54 <jenix> Jaymzz: So you're currently working on SFOS für the X!? How does the fact that Sony accounced the end for their mid-range devices (including the X) affect your work?

09:38:22 <r0kk3rz> two hands is better tha one anyway :P
09:38:31 <leszek_> jenix: no successor does not mean Xperia X devices will die out today

09:39:08 <jenix> leszek_: thats true, but on the other hand it may mean that it may get harder to be bale to purchase one

09:39:11 <Jaymzz> jenix: Yes the work is currently progressing on the X. It won't affect us yet since there still are a lot of devices out there. Although it may motivate us to move up to higher end devices sooner than expected. It isn't confirmed yet though.

lantern

2017-06-02 09:28

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

could somebody ask for dalvik android version next time?
and about 2-sim Xperia X support.

r0kk3rz

2017-06-02 10:17

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1528705)

could somebody ask for dalvik android version next time?
and about 2-sim Xperia X support.

Id be very surprised if it was newer than 4.4 for dalvik.

and the Xperia X they're working on is the single sim model, not the dual sim.

coderus

2017-06-02 10:24

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1528705)

could somebody ask for dalvik android version next time?
and about 2-sim Xperia X support.

please do it yourself: https://together.jolla.com/question/...ting-planning/

lantern

2017-06-02 10:26

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by r0kk3rz (Post 1528711)

and the Xperia X they're working on is the single sim model, not the dual sim.

effin hell. I already bought 2 sim version :mad:

Dave999

2017-06-02 10:30

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1528714)

effin hell. I already bought 2 sim version :mad:

Didn't I(and president Bush) just adviced you to wait? ;)

Also, ask the jolla blog. Jolla.Together gives no info from jolla. Mostly some fanboys answers with no clue.

mrsellout

2017-06-02 13:55

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by lantern (Post 1528714)

effin hell. I already bought 2 sim version :mad:

From http://www.xperiablog.net/specificat...rias/xperia-x/

Quote:

The Xperia X Dual has identical specifications to the Xperia X, apart from being equipped with 64GB of internal storage (versus 32GB for the Xperia X) and dual SIM capability

There are links at the bottom of the page to white papers containing those specs on the Sony site.

What this means is that in theory you should be able to flash the Sailfish for the single sim version on your device and most things should work. And, given that there's already dual sim support for other devices, it may not be too much work for them to implement it for yours.

lantern

2017-06-02 17:02

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

I don't get why wouldn't they just implement it from the start...
It's the same model, but 2sim version has way longer lifespan.

coderus

2017-06-02 17:07

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

it's not same model, identical doesnt mean same, and 99% you cant flash single sim firmware to dual sim variant ;)

Dave999

2017-06-02 20:04

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by coderus (Post 1528729)

it's not same model, identical doesnt mean same, and 99% you cant flash single sim firmware to dual sim variant ;)

Will this be an officially supported port following the current sailfish or is this one time port that Will diviate more and more without official future updates?

pexi	2017-06-03 08:48

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Does it make a difference whether I buy the Xperia X now or later? Are Jolla guys doing something that I can download and flash or something that I can buy from their store?

My finger points towards the first download option but the commercial dalvik part sounds like something that is not available for download for everyone.

richie

2017-06-03 09:30

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1528738)

Plans haven't been announced yet, due later this month. I think Jolla will re-sell the Sony phone to the community. Sony have lots of unsold handsets and helps Jolla bring in some revenue for their porting efforts.

Rich

Dave999

2017-06-03 09:40

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by richie (Post 1528739)

I hope they include the phone, but I doubt it. Becouse then jolla must take responsibility for order, shipping, flashing, quality issues, refunds and so forth. But if they do also hope that they give a fair option to all tablet backers to put an end to that project.

120 Euro voucher if you buy phone and 100 if you like refund.

Jordi

2017-06-03 12:18

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by pexi (Post 1528738)

A kind of answer here: https://twitter.com/ejjoman/status/866381797671751680

@ejjoman - 21 mai 2017
I need a new mobile phone contract. Should I order the Sony Xperia X directly with it or should I wait? @JollaHQ #Jolla #SailfishOS

@JollaHQ - 22 mai 2017
En réponse à @ejjoman

Given that our project is currently solely focused on the Xperia X, it would be a smart move. Although we do not have a release date yet.

HtheB

2017-06-03 13:24

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jordi (Post 1528741)

A smart move to what? To order or to wait?... :confused: :confused:

mosen

2017-06-03 14:35

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Quote:

Originally Posted by HtheB (Post 1528742)

A smart move to what? To order or to wait?... :confused: :confused:

Smart move is only given in special case of renewing your provider contract and the option of having a subsidzed handset.
The question was explicetly if @ejjoman wants to or can get a new Phone NOW, would it make sense to have a XX instead of another phone.

Some pages back i cited the tweet but made a joke that can be misunderstood as a general advice, only to troll dave. Sorry for misleading.

I conclude it is not decided within Jolla themselfes if they can publish the image or only sell preflashed devices.
Else one of the 3 persons asking officially would have gotten an answer.
Jolla is like "No answer" = undecided but we do not want to kill options.

Dave is right imho, hold your horses until further official notice, unless you can have it really cheap.
Sorry to hear @lantern. But you can propably exchange it or sell and buy single sim without much loss but the effort to do so?

Dave999

2017-06-03 15:59

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Mosen. What's your thought about that jollas x model is removed from market within a month? In my area other x's have replaced the basic x even in webstores.

mosen

2017-06-03 16:49

Re: Sailfish OS on Sony Xperia (official)

Well, X series fading out would only have had negative implication if the sony thing was planned to be some kind of break through attempt.
In that case they would have put much energy into a dead horse because the target audience needed for such endevour would yawn about outdated HW again and move on. correct?

But as Sony is a step stone on the way to juicey (paying) customers, it is a good thing that the device will fall in price soon so we as community can also profit by having the most fleshed out sfos device for rather cheap.

I do not think we (as end customers) are even primarily targeted by this device.
Making the community happy is a welcome by-product at this point.
Looks like the main plan is to finally show sfos on decent hardware because it is one thing to tell a client "Sure, it will behave much better on your high spec device than on this Aquafish i can show you here" than to actually demonstrate what you can do or already did.

And i can see another positive incentive.
As James wrote during meeting, it might raise Jollas interest to target even newer Sony modells.

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