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Hi all. Using estel's April 16 image from qole's site, stock firmware, installing on-device (no sd). Even using nice at 19 I get a reboot when I try to install R (r-base). Any advice? I was thinking of installing some of the dependencies one at a time so it's not working so hard so long. Otherwise no issues to report!

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I had that issue before, my N900 kept rebooting everytime it was under "heavy" cpu load from the debian chroot, not sure how that issue even makes sense. It randomly stopped one day and never came back, so I haven't really tried to find a solution for it

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echo 3 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_ratio
echo 60 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_background_ratio
echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_writeback_centisecs
echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs
echo 2039 > /proc/sys/vm/min_free_kbytes
echo 30 > /proc/sys/vm/swappiness
echo 100 > /proc/sys/vm/vfs_cache_pressure
echo 0 > /proc/sys/vm/page-cluster
echo 128 > /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests
echo 128 > /sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests

should fix that - many including i had this issue before.

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@ESTEL,@sulu....sorry, to ask it....but could i install and use latest version of adobe flash player in easy debian and if yes than which img is best useful for this need.....????I Need easy debian just for this reason no other need......Thanx in advance

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Easy debian is much faster on seperate emmc partition.
I copied estel image to new created ext3 partition on emmc by dd.tool and changed chroot config to reading from mmcblk0p4
Libreoffice starting in 17-18seconds (cold start, swap restarted) and under 10seconds, when I run it before.

PS: Only cssu thumb, 500-900MHz clock and 1GB swap on microsd - no speedpatch, swappolube and other stuff like that
.
Next I converted it to ext4 partition and I noticed little performance boost - now libreoffice writter start in 16-17s after restarting swap (cold start) and 7-8s "hot" start

VIDEO http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTiccuzlnxM

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:eek::eek:Is very awesome, Please Can indicate what steps can be followed for this, really is very fast, also the case with other programs such as Chromium?.

Regards:D

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Other programs also starting faster.
But on the video I ran libreoffice before so n900 loaded it from ram - with reseted swap libreoffice starting in ~17seconds.

I will make video with other programs after reseted swap

Quick guide: (it's my way to do it, you can do it by several other ways)
1) Install bootmenu on n900 - now you can access all emmc 32GB flash (not only 27GB vfat partition)
2) Reboot n900 with open keyboard and choose usb connection
3) Resize 27GB fat partition and create new partition >3.2GB
4) Copy content of image to partition by dd tool (you can do it on n900 or PC)
by example: 5) Change chroot config by editing /home/user/.chroot - remove # from #IMGFILE=/dev/mmcblk0p4
6) It's working
7) You can convert ext3 partition to ext4 by terminal (in this case you must have power kernel, but I think everyone have it)
Type in xterminal on n900

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Sorry, longer bother you, could please explain in more detail as it did to install debian on a new partition.
I try all afternoon and night, throwing dedian from the partition but could not, I obtain errors with choot, I used GParted to create the partition with ext3 and ext4 try, but without result.:confused:
You can please enlighten me, I'm doing wrong. I'm anxious to get your results.:D:D

Regards:D

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Ok, but what's exactly your problem ? Any logs ? Size of new partition ?
I resized fat partition and created new by gparted on pc too.
Did you use dd tool ? (file system created by gparted doesn't matter, because dd change it to file system from image - it's ext3 if you use estel image)

New video (cold starting debian) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yfiT...e_gdata_player

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any1 here to help????

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My problem is the next: when I create the partition (size=3,5GB) ext3 (tried too with ext4), but the problem is that Chroot not starting, out (file not exist in directory). One question esta new partition also be detected for FileManager? Because in my case not ocurrer this.

I think the problem is in the use of dd tool, because I use commnad in Ubutnu terminal (command cp of desktop estel´s image to new partition ext3). Please Can you show me how to realized this step.:confused::confused:

Or, You could open another thead explaining these steps:D

Regards:D

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I did it on n900 terminal (estel image on sd card)
It take some time (1,7MB/s)
But it should be working on PC - dd if=/path/to/file of /dev/sdxx (check number of partition by gparted or sfdisk -l, in my case /dev/sdd4 (same time as n900)

PS: You can check progress of dd by typing in another terminal: "kill -USR1 pid" (you can check it by top)

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in step 2 you say choose usb connection, i get:
1)internal nand
2)internal emmc
3)(external SD partition) N/A
4)power off (when not connected to a charger)

and then 2 more options below:
1)press menu/ctrl for USB mass storage mode
2)press shift for network mode

and when i choose usb mass storage mode while connected with usb cable i get a pop up with n900 and SD card folder, then it dissconnects after a few seconds.

thats y i cant make partition as mention here to store the image file.

can u suggest what i should do.

thanks

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WooooooooOw, yipiiii,:D:D:D:D:D:D I do that, thank you very much, achieves run easydebian from ext4 (3.5GB), apparently the most important part is to make the transfer with dd.tool. (in nokia n900)
Easydebian definitely runs faster and smooth.:eek: You can even open some programs at once. I love my nokia n900:D:p

Regards:D

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I also had the same problem is not whether it will be an error with bootmenu.. I recommended install backupmenu, reboot and choose the second option.

Then press w and done! This is so much easy.:D

Regards

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As I have understood, for now this is impossible, install and run flash player, for system resources. (lagging, stuttering)

Regards:D

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I wanted to create the partition with gparted but it doesnt recognize the partitions that allready are it says something like"not assigned" I dont want to reflash the emmc.
Any idea? or another way to create the partition?

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Just some points :
- Sulu, this image is armhf ? If not, have you created one as you were testing it some months ago ?
- Qole's link of this wheezy sulu's image is corrupt when trying to uncompress;
- the LXDE desktop has no wallpaper and menu when "clicked", even if we try to configure ".config/pcmanfm/default/pcmanfm.conf". I've tested it on N900 & N9;
- in Debian prompt, "sudo su" is needed before apt-getting;
- I am trying to setup a more complete wheezy image : 3GB, LibreOffice, Abiword, Gnumeric, Iceweasel + Java, etc. Is it better to grow Sulu's wheezy image or distupgrade Sulu's or Estel's squeeze image ?

I'm very interested in Debian armhf to use scientific softwares : wxMaxima, Python/SymPy/NumPy/MatPlotLib, etc.

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I've dist-upgraded Estel's squeeze image to wheezy by :
[root@m5estel: /etc/apt] echo libasound2 hold | dpkg --set-selections
[root@m5estel: /etc/apt] apt-get dist-upgrade
[root@m5estel: /etc/apt] apt-get purge avahi-daemon
Suggestion : increase the image size to > 3.0 GB (e.g., 3.5GB) because wheezy takes more space, i.e., Estel's squeeze image has 1282MB free, but after conversion to wheezy we have just 717MB free (even after apt-get clean & apt-get autoremove).

If we :
[root@m5estel: /] apt-get remove network-manager
then the result is :
I have the same wicd errors when starting LXDE.
Removing the above wicd packages reinstalls network-manager and wicd errors remain !
Due to network-manager, after each apt-get/dpkg :
So, it is better to leave network-manager.

As Estel cited, chromium-browser remains not updated, as well as openjdk-6-jre and sound packages :
So I've added Iceweasel/Firefox :
but without Flash / Java plugins.

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Upgrading Sulu's squeeze image to wheezy is simpler :

[root@m5sulu: ~] apt-get dist-upgrade
[root@m5sulu: ~] apt-get autoremove

Chromium web browser gives "Segmentation fault".

As the Sulu's squeeze image and Sulu's wheezy (simple) image, in this upgraded wheezy image the LXDE desktop has no wallpaper and menu when "clicked".

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(Experimental) Debian 7 (Wheezy) images :

1) Sulu's squeeze upgraded to wheezy :
- "debian-wheezy-upgrade-sulu.img.ext2.lzma" (506MB compressed), ext2 image with 2.0 GB (240MB free);
- with Abiword 2.9.2, Gnumeric 1.10.17, Iceweasel/Firefox 10.0.6 (without Flash / Java plugins), Python 2.7.3;
- Chromium ( 20.0.1132.57) doesn't work (there is a bug);
- Leafpad, Midnight Commander, Xarchiver, Xf (File Explorer, File Packager, Image, View, Writer), Claws Mail, ePDFViewer, gv (GhostView), ImageMagick, Geeqie, Audacity, Brasero, Music Player, VLC media player, etc;
- there is no wallpaper and menu when "clicked" in desktop background;
- it is already "Harmattanized", ready to be used by Easy Debian Harmattan.

2) Estel's squeeze upgraded to wheezy :
- "debian-wheezy-upgrade-estel.img.ext3.lzma" (1002MB compressed), ext3 image with 3.0 GB (708MB free);
- with LibreOffice 3.5.4, Iceweasel/Firefox 10.0.6 (without Flash / Java plugins), Icedove/Thunderbird 10.0.5, Python 2.7.3;
- Chromium doesn't work (there is a bug);
- Leafpad, Xarchiver, Putty SSH Client, Evince, gv (GhostView), Aqualung, Brasero, GNOME Alsa Mixer, Music Player, PulseAudio, etc;
- "/.debian/var/run/onfirstchroot-ext.rc" doesn't umount "/home/user/" so "/home/user" is shared with Maemo/MeeGo;
- dpkg and apt-get will show warnings "Errors were encountered while processing: network-manager network-manager-gnome", which can be ignored;
- it is already "Harmattanized", ready to be used by Easy Debian Harmattan.

3) Sulu's wheezy "Sci" modified (from Scientific, with many softwares about programming and science) :
- "debian-wheezy-sulu-Sci.img.ext2.lzma" (757MB compressed), ext2 image with 3.0 GB (486MB free);
- with LibreOffice 3.5.4, Abiword 2.9.2, Gnumeric 1.10.17, Iceweasel/Firefox 10.0.6 (with Flash & Java plugins), Icedove/Thunderbird 10.0.5;
- TeXMaker/TeXLive;
- wxMaxima 12.04 & Maxima 5.27.0, Yacas 1.3.2;
- Python 2.7.3 with IPython 0.13 (with notebook and Qt Console interfaces), NumPy 1.6.2, MatPlotLib 1.1.1, SciPy 0.10.1, Sympy 0.7.1, PyGlet 1.1.4;
- gcc/g++/gFortran 4.6.3, make, etc;
- Leafpad, Xarchiver, Evince, gv, GIMP, Filezilla, gFTP, SSVNC, gedit, Geany, etc;
- there is no wallpaper and menu when "clicked" in desktop background;
- gedit .desktop is edited so its icon appears in "Programming" desktop menu, and "IPython Notebook" icon is added;
- it is already "Harmattanized", ready to be used by Easy Debian Harmattan, with OpenOffice linked to LibreOffice.

These Debian wheezy images are experimental and not well tested. They are here to be tested and improved by other users.

Here a more detailed list of Debian images, with comments targetting MeeGo Harmattan users.

For MeeGo Harmattan : use Easy Chroot 0.2 onwards, which sets root with correct $PATH to apt-get, etc.

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@Estel You can replenish http://meegoforum.pl/instalacja-easy...mo-5-t559.html and instruct us how to install debian in a wheezy or N900 as it then uninstall?

The file unpacks only the img, what about the?
How to install a permanent Debian Wheezy? How to create a startup and disconnect icon in Maemo menu for this ver. Easy Debian?

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I love the new wheezy images, I was still using the old squeeze ones but it had a lot of issues

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As it installed?

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I'm back from vacation, and I have zillion of TMO threads to read, before getting into loop again, so please, be patient :)

I've managed to fix wicd problem - following my idea from here:
http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p...postcount=2800
... I've purged everything that had wicd in name. Easiest way to do it that I was able to find is purging wicd *and* (with ED image *not* mounted, to not follow any symlinks to Maemo's folders):

(replace /dev/mmcblk0p3 with your ED partition)
After that, you ma check that no wicd left-overs slipped in, via:

all wicd problems are gone, and LXDe startup time is back to normal (i.e, very fast) - at the end, I have image without both network-manager and wicd (and friends). There is no problem with apt-get, as wicd was purged before, anyway. It just seems, that uninstalling/purging wicd doesn't delete *any* files (bug in upstream wicd removal procedures?), so we fix it via manually deleting any traces of it.

Warning - it's quite radical solution, and no one can guarantee, that it won't break anything in ED image. Personally, I'm using many things in Ed for a week now, without any regressions, but do it on Your risk.
---

Chromium still isn't working, and I have no freakin' idea why it spazms out. I've installed Iceweasel back, and enhanced it with extension, that allow microB-like grab&drag (again, retaining possibility to highlight text). I can't find a way to delete scrollbars *and* reclaim saved space for rendering web page :(

It isn't very important, as Iceweasel is still unusably slow, as in slow -> slower -> firefox (iceweasel). Sure, Chromium wasn't performance beast, but Iceweasel is hopeless in comparison.

Other than that, everything works great in Wheezy ED :)

/Estel

// Edit

I'm aware that my "solution" for nuke'ing wicd remnants is lame, and that it could be implemented in some smart one-liner - I was pissed off by WICD, and haven't had time for delicate formatting :) If some sh guru can improve it, feel free to post better syntax'ed command here.

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Disclaimer: Crap Solutions R US

This might work better ...

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I also found this:

http://www.linuxquestions.org/questi...ml#post3897912

Which in effect is:
and then edit ~/.config/autostart/wicd-tray.desktop to disable wicd from starting ... but I'm pissing in the wind here given I'm not running Easy Debian.

So, I'll download an image tonight and have a fiddle to see if we can come to a better solution than wiping out a load of files.

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Could you give the name(s) of the extension(s) you installed to enhance Iceweasel, especially to allow the grab & drag behavior?

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Thanks!

The thing is, that we don't need wicd neither network-manager, as network access is provided by Maemo anyway, so no need for wicd files to sit inside our ED partition/image.

Also, the whole thing is that even after purge'ing via apt-get, it doesn't delete single file related to wicd, which sounds like obvious bug. wicd is only one package presenting such behavior in ED.

I can't check it on N900 right now (doing backup via backupmenu), but if You search firefox add-ons for "drag and drop" and choose one with "acrobat" in name, it's the one that is most configurable and works best.

I've also tried "scrollbars anywhere" - which is exact same add-on as used in Chromium by us - but, firefox version is either crippled or unfinished, and doesn't work properly (not to mention that doesn't offer such configurability as Chromium's counterpart)

/Estel

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Thank you Estel. The add-on might by simply "Grab & Drag". I can't try it right now as I have not my N900 with me and Iceweasel won't launch in Easy Debian Harmattan (SCI image from Rcolistete).

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sulu, I've noticed that new version of pulseaudio packages got released. Of course, i haven't updated them - due to lack of special tweaks, that we have in Your version.

what do You think - is it feasible for You to prepare updated version with Your patchset on top of it, or is it better to wait until Wheezy officially enters stable?
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No new on Chromium bug, which is kinda driving me mad, due to Iceweasel being totally useless (sloooooooow). Maybe we should seek assistance with Chromium developers (i.e. bug report)?

OTOH, it may be good idea to test, if version that we used in Squeeze, still works ok in our Wheezy ED, or spazm out the same way, as never incarnation.

/Estel

// Edit

I've installed Squeeze version of Chromium (by editing ED's /etc/apt/sources.list, changing line:

...to:
(thanks conred for spotting a "typo" here, fixed)

...and reverting it after installation)

...and Squeeze version works well, so it's problem with never chromium itself. Now, who know how to properly patch up bug report for Chromium devs?

In meantime, I'm happily using ancient version of Chromium, that worked before.

// Edit 2

IIRC, we wouldn't able to update Chromium for Squeeze too (for a long time), due to lack of arm build present. I hope, that in case of Wheezy, they haven't mixed up versions, and we're not trying to run i386 one (thus, "memory protection violation"), resulting in Chromium collapsing in flames?

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I tried to run debian using http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=82819 debian boots up but I have a problem with wicd so I did own wheezy image. Now wi-fi works but when I use chroot in maemo keyboard does not work as it should (especially arrows) - what kind of keyboard trick is used in those images?

Sorry for my bad English

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@Estel
Could be this chromium bug: http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=680566

Unfortunately not much progress on it in the last weeks.

I've tried pointing to squeeze some time ago for downgrading chromium, but somehow didn't manage to get it working.
Thanks to your posting, after a second try today I can confirm that it works very well.

Only one annotation:
In the second line Estel meant "squeeze" instead of "wheezy"

Edit
Just tried the sid repository and installed chromium 21.0.1180.75~r150248-1 but it gives also a segfault.

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The wiki has some information about it:
http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#Ke...ssues_and_tips

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Thanks a lot for spotting dumb "typo" in instructions, conred, I've fixed it. I must have been sleepy, when writing it :p

Also huge thanks for bug pointers. I hope that they will be able to fix it upstream, and won't leave us on arm out of Chromium updates :(

/Estel

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How to install directly wheezy in the N900?

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I've just updated the wiki to answer that question, since the section on downloading your own images isn't completely applicable when it's an experimental image that's not known to the Deb Image Installer.

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I understand that the easy-deb-chroot must be installed (access to icons Deb Chroot and Debian LXDE)?
This image of "debian-wheezy-sulu-Sci.img.ext2.lzma" it is already "Harmattanized", can be used on Maemo 5 without Harmattan?
How to remove icons OpenOffice and other unnecessary (package of easy-deb-chroot) with menu Maemo 5?

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1. Yes, you'll need easy-deb-chroot first. If you don't have that level of familiarity with Easy Debian... you may want to stick to stable packages first, learn how it works, then play with this.

2. Yup. N900 + maemo5 here, playing with the Sci image now.

3. Delete the offending .desktop files in /usr/share/applications/hildon

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Thank you very much magick777.
One more question.
After install easy-deb-chroot in XTerminal have info
Nothing to do: chroot not mounted!
Do I need to create the directory /home/user/.chroot?
I install easy-chroot separately. I created just a directory. debian.
Now I see that I have a file .chroot
There's something I should edit?
I can also delete the directory /home/user/.openoffice.org and /home/user/.gimp-2.6, /home/user/.gconfd
remnants of earlier versions?