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Is there currently any way (Android app, tweak or other) to get offline maps and voice guided navigation to Sailfish?

As I travel (=need offline map data) a lot and also use my phone as my main gps while driving (=need voice guided navigation), these are the things that are my main dealbreakers to get Jolla (and apparantly very lousy musicplayer, I like the N9 one a lot).

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I have not tested it (i got a navi in my car), but others reported, this works good: https://www.sygic.com/

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I had sygic on my N900 and after it repeatedly sent me down country lanes and through fords when there was a perfectly suitable A road I gave up with it.

I too am missing a decent native sat nav option. Maps it nigh-on useless and i use my N9 as sat nav instead.

I have now had my jolla for nearly 6 months and there are three dealbreakers for me that are not moving.
Microsoft exchange support policies,
Navigation
Media player
Proper cloud solution

My Jolla is a great phone but it's not a smart phone for me yet. Lots of things were announced in February/March but since then there has been nothing. Angry birds and fsecure deals were announced as coming soon on the 21st February!

Maybe a question for Jolla Together.

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OK, this has probably been discussed in detail somewhere but what is not working properly in Exchange? That is something that is also on my dealbreaker list...

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I have Sygic in my N900 and with updated maps worked great for me. I will have a Jolla in less than a week :)

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For N900 it was Sygic Maps. Now it's Sygic Aura and it's totally different. I recommend it as well.

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i set up an Exchange account on Jolla about 2 weeks ago, absolutely no problems until now, i'm only using it for calendar- and contact-sync, though. Email is another address, using IMAP.

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Hi. You've probably already discussed this but what features do you need for media player? Perhaps there is an android version that meets your needs?

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Actually, these days it is Sygic GPS Navigation. And I have to agree that it is better than the N900 product that they had (and abandoned)

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It depends upon the policy you have set up. My company exchange policy requires the phone/tablet is secured with a PIN or password and that is not yet in place for Jolla. So depending on the local policy you may be fine.

Big thread in jolla together.

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There are loads, but a shuffle function that get beyond the artists beginning with the letter A. Scrolliing of artists/songs plus a heap load more that I specified way early in this thread in november.

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I thought I'd try an android media player to see if it would work. There are quite a few of them. A popular one is called Poweramp which has some of the features you mentioned. Perhaps it is in the android app stores set up such that Jolla users can take advantage of. So first I downloaded it from the Playstore (there is a free two week trial) on my android phone and then transferred the app to my Jolla phone via bluetooth (don't have data on my Jolla phone.) It seemed to work fine as far as playing some ringtones on the device. Also equalizer worked. But I do not understand where to put music for this app to play. Anyone have experience with this?


EDIT: Ah! I found it. It will scan for your music but you have to allow it access to your music folders (including those on Nemo if you like). Go to

Poweramp Settings => Folders and Library => Music Folders

and check off where to have access. Looks like it can read off from external card as well. I don't currently have extensive music collection so maybe someone can test how well shuffle works. But sound is very nice.

EDIT 2: Btw I added some of my favorite music by Bartok, Mozart, and Vilvaldi and it shuffled fine. I now have a nice little Jolla Player!

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This seems to be relevant here. Jolla release plan for high-level features - update 6 / 7: https://lists.sailfishos.org/piperma...ay/004167.html

LTE coming to Finland, folder support coming later etc. but no mention of offline mapping or mediaplayer improvements. Don't know if everything thats planned (not promised!) for updates is listed but don't seem to be too promising (for me).

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As the new update will come any day now. Anyone know if copy/paste all over the phone will work soon?

Any news on that would be much appreciated.

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echo "performance" >/sys/devices/platform/kgsl-3d0.0/kgsl/kgsl-3d0/pwrscale/trustzone/governor

Any way to keep it applied even after reboot? I want a constant performance boost :D

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Create .service file...

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Where to put it?

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When I get home I will create a simple package for this..

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when were the maps updated last?

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I guess it's my turn to write what I think about the Jolla phone. Before that, a bit of context: I've owned mobile phones for about 18 years, mostly Nokia ones, tried an Ericsson and a Sony Ericsson in the past and both didn't do as well as their Nokia equivalents. I am a person who roughly appreciates mobile phone features in the following order:
1. Call/reception quality
2. Battery life
3. Build quality

As for the latest mobile phones, often labelled smart phones, this is the rough order in which I appreciate features - note that in general the order above is more important than what comes next (a phone is a phone, if I want a computer, I'd get a tablet or laptop or something):
0. Calendar+Phone book (arguably, calendars+phone books have been bundled with "dumb" phones for quite a while)
1. Email
2. Synchronisation ability (e.g., VCF export, CalDAV compatibility built in/integrated, not via an "app")
3. Web browsing, including but not limited to proper HTML5 support to circumvent the necessity of having to download an "app" for every website that you want to visit
5. Maps, navigation, offline maps
6. IM'ing other than SMS (XMPP compatibility and the like)

Needless to say, the more I can tinker with the phone, the better ;-)

I have used iOS (up until version 6) on an iPhone 4 and use currently Android (4.4 or thereabouts) on a Sony Xperia SP for work - so, think email, browsing, call quality, reception are highly required. None of these devices match the OS speed, call/reception quality of the Jolla. The email client is superior - it may not have as many features as iOS's or Android's just yet, but it _works_. You set up an IMAP account, and it just works. Android/iOS's email clients often hang around/crash/don't sync properly - of course they want you to use their services, but that's no excuse for not supporting a standard protocol properly.
You would be suprised about how many times I had to use the Jolla to browse train times and alike because iOS/Android wouldn't perform (bad reception, pages loading forever and whatnot).

Now, I am not going to repeat a lot of things that have been said already, and the above should be self explanatory in terms of what the Jolla means to me. My previous phone was an N9, so for instance you'll figure that the Jolla disappoints a little bit when it comes to maps+navigation, offline maps and the like.

I have had the phone since December 2013.

Physical attributes/build/etc.: I find the phone beautiful, maybe because it's different than a lot of other phones out there. Despite TOH, build quality seems very good and it feels sturdy enough. I've got relatively small hands (thumb to little finger distance with hand as open as possible is a bit over 21cm) but the phone is comfortable to operate single handedly (more on this later). Alas! I did drop it the other day, the frame got a few scratches and later on that day the glass cracked from side to side. I haven't dropped a phone like that in over 10 years, so totaly my fault :)
From a reception/call quality perspective, this phone is better than the N9, and I found the N9 to be extremely good. You really have to make an effort to not have reception in an open area. I remember having a long call while walking through a passage in a train station where the N9 and the iPhone 4 wouldn't get reception - and the call quality never went down. This is what a phone is for - the ability to play Angry Birds is a plus IMO.

OS/interface/etc.: I have to admit that I'm an addict to the concept introduced by the N9 when it comes to a gesture UI. Sailfish takes that to the next level, and this helps tremendously to handle the phone single handedly despite it being bigger than the N9. Some work is still required in applications like Maps, although operation is good enough.
The rest of the OS is perfect for me - while there is still the lack of applications, the phone does more than any vanilla Android/iOS out there (think XMPP, CalDAV). Sailfish is still being furiously developed, and CalDAV is a good example - at the time of writing (Sailfish 1.0.5.19), there is no CalDAV support for any provider, but you can still set it up if you tinker with the phone, and it integrates nicely with the calendar and so on.
Some applications need work (multi threaded support in Email, better music player and whatnot), but it's nice that all of this gets recorded in together.jolla.com, people vote, features come along slowly but surely.

On the flip side, I don't think this phone is for the impatient or for the person who doesn't want to try new things - it isn't perfect. We still don't get paid applications (so things like MeeRun aren't ported just yet), API's, libraries are still being worked on from the Jolla side so developers find walls here and there, LTE will come soon and so many other things. Whether this phone is good for you or not depends on your priorities.

I do want to cover a couple of common problems that people have reported:
- Battery issue (reboots and so on): never happened... I think the phone rebooted once on a previous Sailfish version but that was it. I never had to put a piece of paper under the battery.
- SIM card disconnection issues: I can't say that the SIM card ever moved, I did get disconnections from the celullar network a few times (~5 times), and I'm not sure whether this was a conman issue or a physical issue or both.
- Overheating: never happened

In summary, I am very happy with the phone, it has been my main phone for a few months now (since the OS exited beta), and the only thing I use the N9 for is MeeRun and I'll certainly keep it for its maps/navigation abilities. Hopefully something cool will come for Sailfish to cover that gap. EDIT: MeeRun here: https://openrepos.net/content/bwalte...orts-tracker-0 (but the point is about paid applications anyway ;-) )
I personally hope that Jolla stays small-ish for a while longer, and that if it grows, it does it keeping their highly capable staff as their potential is enormous.

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Your happy day. :)

Just install Warehouse openrepos client and you find Meerun and many more applications not in store yet.

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Here you go: https://openrepos.net/content/schturman/better-performance :D

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I unexpectedly found something neat that I could do on the android side of Jolla phone: Open up tabs in the android app Boat Browser as floating resizable windows. This is the first I've seen of a floating window on the Jolla phone.
You can also do a pinch and zoom in the window in case the text is a bit microscopic for you. The only down side is I can only do this for a week unless I buy the pro version... Regardless, this begs the question (actually two) 1)What other apps can open as floating window on Jolla? and 2) Is there a way to connect to monitor via usb to hdmi using Jolla phone since with floating windows you are beginning to get a pc experience?

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Nice one, could you resize them and place two browser windows side by side?

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Sure. I'll try it at home tonight and post. Will compare both portrait and landscape. Just for you I'll even try copying and pasting between windows and let you know the result :)

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Thx,

It's not copy & paste. It's more like: almost never copy & sometimes paste ;)

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Ok. Here goes.

1)First good news then the bad news. Good news. First image shows you can copy and paste text. Now the bad news, you cannot copy and paste in the floating tabs except for the url box. Boat browser does not have this feature. I also tried this on my Galaxy Note 3 and it didn't work there either so this feature is missing from the app. Sorry about that Dave999! One bright spot, you can copy and paste in multiple nonfloating tabbed screens you can create.
2)In portrait you cannot put images side by side and resize them such that they fit the screen. However they can be side by side with part of the window outside the main screen (not shown).
3)Top and Botton layout like multiview on galaxy note looks pretty good
4)Also Side by side in landscape works.

Just a couple more notes about the floating tab features. If you look at the x in the top right corner of the floating window you will see two rectangles to the left of it. The first one, when pressed makes the window go full screen. If you press the same relative place when full screen (you'll now see two overlapping rectangles that you press) it will go back in size to the original floating window. This is nice! The next box to the left does not properly work on Jolla. On my galaxy note, when pressed it puts window in background
and you can reopen in by going to the notification bar. I like this! Unfortunately on Jolla phone it just closes the window.
Another thing is you can't open, say, youtube from the browser and make it a floating tab (at least I couldn't get it work). But you can stream videos from other sources like cnn in a floating window.

So there you go. Hope you found this useful :)

EDIT: I added one more shot of a side by side to show how they fit the screen. Btw both images of Michael Jackson were streaming simultaneously on the screen.

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Basically I haven't used my jolla that much but I will defiantly try this out split screen and copy&past are one of the most used feature on my androids. I t will be first android apps to infect my jolla :D

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Glad I inspired you to dust off your Jolla phone. You can also copy and paste using the android yahoo mail. Might try the yahoo messenger service as well. I'm still trying to find an office app I can sideload to edit Microsoft files but no luck yet. Could someone point me to instructions on how to get the Google Playstore working on the Jolla phone. Could then test many more apps I've purchased license to. I know many folks here hate android but for me it is just a case of functionality. Being able to run Android apps on Jolla phone is really a great feature and should be further developed. It is why I haven't bothered trying to run sailfish on other android phones as they don't support Dalvik. I hope this is not lost in future Jolla phones. I also hope data frequencies will work with carriers in US like tmobile in future. Otherwise Jolla phone remains a toy I play with and can't really use as daily drive (among other reasons)

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Jolla price now officially lowered to 349€.

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Jolla shippment only to Europe is a huge limitation. Even if we can pay import duties, Jolla can't be sent outside Europe.

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For office package have folks tried Kingsoft? It is the only one I've found that I can sideload and it is free. Seems to work ok with some compatibility to ms. Are there any others?

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Oh! I just got OfficeSuite to work on Jolla. I think this is one of the better android office apps...

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Am I the only one who gets no response whatsoever if I try to check for the updates? I had the typical "searching" and "up to date" response last time I checked, which was this morning if I remember correctly....

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There was some store maintenance going on with some downtime. It should be up and running again.

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Office Mobile also works fine on Jolla as Android App. (But I guess you need to not hate M$ to use that)

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Lots of random reboots/shutdowns/hangups lately.
Even resetting the device didnt help.
Looks like a hardware problem to me.

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Try this and see if that can solve your issues...
https://together.jolla.com/question/...0716-saapunki/

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Marc Dillon has given an interview for local newspaper:

http://www.iltalehti.fi/digi/2014061118396291_du.shtml

Very shortly:

• "Big news" will be coming shortly. Guess from newspaper side: Jolla will start sales in China.
• "Massive" update coming on next fall; new content and features. At least improvements coming for managing running applications, seems to be a new applications view/screen.
• New phone model won't be published later than next year.

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What's the bet their "big news" will be something non-substantial, they've quite the track-record in doing that now >.>

Are they referring to update 8 that's coming just before they go on break, or the next update that comes ~2mths after they get back?

I don't understand this sentence, are they saying that details about the next Jolla ph won't be published until next year?